Blackwolf Blackwolf and Sub-MOA Barrels Review

[Franklink]

yes... easy on, easy off. sub12 shows the process in his youtube video.

Screw on and off? Please link the Sub12 video. Thanks.

They're threaded right here...



And the brass piece has flats...but the barrel doesn't have anything to grab...and if I know Daystate/BRK, there's gonna be thread locker from hell on those threads. Likely require some heat AND some oomph.

I am curious and wanting to inspect the projectile's transition from brass to barrel...I commented a few days ago that I'd like to run a borescope down there and check it out, just havent gotten that far yet. No way the probe is long enough to get it past that transition....and from the outside, looks like there's got to be a portion of "bore" there that's brass.

 

[Franklink]

That brass piece potentially being "bore" brings to mind all kinds of thoughts.....is there projectile "jump" here? Is the brass rifled or smooth? If it's rifled, how do they ensure the a replacement brass piece (perhaps with a smaller port?) align with the rifling in the bore?

If I was home I'd have to go inspect that barrel right now to get some answers.

 

[Solo1]

Near as i can find this is the only vid on the blackwolf that sub 12 has done and it makes no mention of changing the port.

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[cavedweller]

Screw on and off? Please link the Sub12 video. Thanks.

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[cavedweller]

Near as i can find this is the only vid on the blackwolf that sub 12 has done and it makes no mention of changing the port.

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Sub 12 produces videos for Daystate content? So you can find more detailed videos on Daystate YouTube channel

 

[Solo1]

@cavedweller i hate to tell you but you posted the same vid i did and the vid you posted says nothing about removing the brass portion of the barrel. I don’t know why you can’t post a link to where these supposed videos are. Ive looked and can’t find more info

 

[cavedweller]

@cavedweller i hate to tell you but you posted the same vid i did and the vid you posted says nothing about removing the brass portion of the barrel. I don’t know why you can’t post a link to where these supposed videos are. Ive looked and can’t find more info

Bummed well 4 am is a great time to look through YouTube content this next video is the reassembly but it doesn’t show the removal or reinstall of the brass TP barrel adapter thingy either... i may have only dreamed it was removed from the barrel.....
I messaged both AOA and sent a PM to Sub12's youtube channel(s) and i shall wait for an answer unless @Franklink wants to un-thread one for us?

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[cavedweller]

Part #78 going to part #79 in question @Sub 12 airgunners
how do we separate them.

 

[Sub 12 airgunners]

We have not had one off but i would think it is screwed on and thread locked

 

[cavedweller]

We have not had one off but i would think it is screwed on and thread locked

So to answer some folks questions about how the brass barrel adapter / transfer port thing is attached to the barrel. It is threaded on and the two i looked like that were taken off FAC guns and replaced with the non FAC adapter.
info from AOA:
The brass parts are threaded on to the barrel and secured with loctite.
The factory uses red loctite which requires a fair bit of heat.
When AOA install them they use blue so you can get away with a heat gun and some elbow grease to get it off.



Pictures are easier = here ya go:

 

[Franklink]

I looked through the OEM barrel this morning and it appears to be as the schematic shows....that brass transfer port portion is essentially a sleeve. The rifling starts right after the transfer port, as is usual with almost all barrels, manufacturers, airguns. Etc.

 

[Franklink]

.177 Slugs from Rudy's barrel

I only have 4 varieties of .177 slug on hand: 15.5grain NSAs, 15grain NSAs, 12.5gr NSAs, and 12.6grain Howlers (made by NSA). (Could be argued that the 12.5 and 12.6grain are the same slug.) The 15.5grain NSAs are just flat based 15grainers. And the small sample baggy of those 15.5s is now gone.

The barrel didn't seem to love the heavier .177 slug options that I have on hand, but definitely likes the 12.5s.

Here is a ten shot group at 50 yards. For some perspective, the X ring on an EBR style bull is 0.2 inches. The ten ring is 0.475 inches. And the nine ring is 1.25 inches. That is a 12.5grain NSA slug off to the right, for an additional size reference.

9/10 of those shots measure as 5/16 of an inch. The tenth shot makes it just shy of 0.5"...call it 7/16," which would of course be 0.4375." A group of 0.4375" @ 50 yards is 0.8356 MOA. (That's all when measuring the typical center to center. )

That's produced by a reg pressure of 130 bar, blue hammer spring, at "4" on the wheel, and a 15% reduction of plenum volume. All shots are between 895 and 907fps, both in this group, and for the rest of the 12.5grain shooting that I've done with these settings.

I did attempt stretching out the 12.5s to 100 yards, but the wind just eats them alive. They track straight and true and are 9s and 10s on an EBR card @ 100 when the wind ribbons are absolutely still. But even the slightest movement on the ribbons and I'm getting impact points 2-3 inches in the direction the wind is going. So, they behave about like a tiny little 12.5grain pill would be expected to perform @ 100 yards. It was pretty fun watching the wind vs my holdoff vs the impact point. Very predictable, just have to NOT break the trigger when the wind is changing.

Tons and tons of shots/fill. Very sippy on the air usage. And overall just plain pleasant to shoot the .177 slugs from the Blackwolf.

 

[Solo1]

Be sure to try the jsb in the ghost nsa pretty good but for whatever reason 13 jsb shot better

 

[Franklink]

Be sure to try the jsb in the ghost nsa pretty good but for whatever reason 13 jsb shot better

Couple airgun buddies have been playing with the .177 KOs and they're telling me the exact same thing.

 

[Soren Drost]

Be sure to try the jsb in the ghost nsa pretty good but for whatever reason 13 jsb shot better

Yep ! JSB KO 13.43 gr are some of the best slugs in .177 with the deep hollow point and dish base and made from softer lead than NSA

 

[Franklink]

Blackwolf Pistol for field target?!?!?

Yes, and no.

My hope was that it would be as simple as removing the back end and getting a short enough barrel to fit the requirements. Sadly, that's not the case. There are a couple hiccups that make going from here to there a bit more complicated.

Here is the parts breakdown...

Those two through-bolts that hold on the rear of the stock have to be snugged up to...something, to keep the grip from rocking around. I see a couple ways of skinning that cat, the best would probably be fabbing a little oval shaped plate with two holes in it, with two shorter bolts, and nuts. A simpler yet option would be shorter bolts, two fender washers, and nylock nuts. That would at least make it useable as a pistol.

The problem than becomes the depth from center of barrel. The max measurement for anything forward of the trigger is 3 inches, measured from the center of the barrel. The aluminum bottle guard/under-rail is about 3.5"s from center of bore - too deep. So, take off the under-rail right? Nope, the bottom of the composite stock midsection is 3.125" from center of bore. Daystate was 1/8 of an inch away from accidentally making perhaps the sweetest AAFTA legal pistol in existence. And nearly plug and play at that! So close.

Next thought... is the under-rail of the air tube configuration closer to the barrel? From photos, it appears the rail is indeed closer to the bore, but still too deep. And both configurations seem to share the composite midsection, that is, again 1/8th of an inch too deep.

So, it doesn't appear that swapping factory parts around is going to get a guy a legal AAFTA field target pistol. But that doesn't mean it wouldn't be possible. Neither the bottle, nor the fill port is more than 3 inches below the middle of the barrel... (the photos make the starting and ending points of the measurements look funky)

And the action itself is definitely shorter than the 25" max length, even with this 19.5" barrel, we'd be under the overall max....

so, it would require either making your own stock from wood or laminate, or a bit of fabrication of something to hold an AR grip. I've been mulling over something simple, like a 1/4" thick aluminum plate held to the bottom of the action via the stock screws, with an AR grip receiver on the back end to attach the grip to.

In short, AAFTA legal Blackwolf pistol ? Not plug and play, but also not impossible.

 

[Solo1]

Blackwolf Pistol for field target?!?!?

Yes, and no.

My hope was that it would be as simple as removing the back end and getting a short enough barrel to fit the requirements. Sadly, that's not the case. There are a couple hiccups that make going from here to there a bit more complicated.

Here is the parts breakdown...

Those two through-bolts that hold on the rear of the stock have to be snugged up to...something, to keep the grip from rocking around. I see a couple ways of skinning that cat, the best would probably be fabbing a little oval shaped plate with two holes in it, with two shorter bolts, and nuts. A simpler yet option would be shorter bolts, two fender washers, and nylock nuts. That would at least make it useable as a pistol.

The problem than becomes the depth from center of barrel. The max measurement for anything forward of the trigger is 3 inches, measured from the center of the barrel. The aluminum bottle guard/under-rail is about 3.5"s from center of bore - too deep. So, take off the under-rail right? Nope, the bottom of the composite stock midsection is 3.125" from center of bore. Daystate was 1/8 of an inch away from accidentally making perhaps the sweetest AAFTA legal pistol in existence. And nearly plug and play at that! So close.

Next thought... is the under-rail of the air tube configuration closer to the barrel? From photos, it appears the rail is indeed closer to the bore, but still too deep. And both configurations seem to share the composite midsection, that is, again 1/8th of an inch too deep.

So, it doesn't appear that swapping factory parts around is going to get a guy a legal AAFTA field target pistol. But that doesn't mean it wouldn't be possible. Neither the bottle, nor the fill port is more than 3 inches below the middle of the barrel... (the photos make the starting and ending points of the measurements look funky)

And the action itself is definitely shorter than the 25" max length, even with this 19.5" barrel, we'd be under the overall max....

so, it would require either making your own stock from wood or laminate, or a bit of fabrication of something to hold an AR grip. I've been mulling over something simple, like a 1/4" thick aluminum plate held to the bottom of the action via the stock screws, with an AR grip receiver on the back end to attach the grip to.

In short, AAFTA legal Blackwolf pistol ? Not plug and play, but also not impossible.

You sure about 3” thought it was 6” ? Pathfinder is much cheaper anyway and makes a good pistol

 

[Franklink]

You sure about 3” thought it was 6” ? Pathfinder is much cheaper anyway and makes a good pistol

https://www.aafta.org/uploads/1/2/7/6/127666620/2025_aafta_official_field_target_rules.pdf

#4 is the forend depth.

 

[Solo1]

Thanks you were right i was thinking on a rifle for a hamster in hunter. Too many goofy rules for me to remember. Lol

 

[Franklink]

Thanks you were right i was thinking on a rifle for a hamster in hunter. Too many goofy rules for me to remember. Lol

Yeah, ft rules are a mess.