Blackwolf Blackwolf and Sub-MOA Barrels Review

[Centercut]

There is a difference between being a national champion and a world champion !

I hate to sound conceited, but in the USA nobody really gives a sh!t about the World stuff. They are much more interested and involved in the National stuff.

 

[Soren Drost]

I hate to sound conceited, but in the USA nobody really gives a sh!t about the World stuff. They are much more interested and involved in the National stuff.

Well, the person you mentioned did go to the World Championship in Finland and came in 42nd

 

[Centercut]

Well, the person you mentioned did go to the World Championship in Finland and came in 42nd

Noted. Apples, Oranges, you get the idea…

 

[Billm]

Dang, I only meant to compliment someone lol.

 

[Centercut]

Dang, I only meant to compliment someone lol.

Yep, and I agreed with you. I’m thinking someone has a man crush on Fady….

 

[Soren Drost]

Yep, and I agreed with you. I’m thinking someone has a man crush on Fady….

Just wanted to point out that there is a big difference between shooting national and international

 

[Centercut]

Just wanted to point out that there is a big difference between shooting national and international

Gotcha. And I just wanted to point out that winning a series of competitions and being USA National Champion two years in a row is harder and more impressive than winning one 3 card comp in 2023 and coming in 19th in 2025. I’m thinking we can agree to disagree?

 

[Franklink]

Not even sort of Blackwolf related, but since the discussion went that direction ...

An AAFTA national championship is structured to recognize the person most dedicated to traveling and acquiring points.

And if you disagree, please read the GP points rules...something along the lines of "the best three scores counted." In other words, if you want that recognition bad enough, you just keep going to matches to continue replacing your lowest score with a better one. Only the top three are counted.

The old timers tell me the GP series was quite literally structured to motivate people to travel to acquire points. They were trying to incentivize traveling and attending many matches. As such, the AAFTA national champ is the person most dedicated to traveling and acquiring points.

Or you can just go to 3 and win all three. But that's not what happens.

 

[Centercut]

Not even sort of Blackwolf related, but since the discussion went that direction ...

An AAFTA national championship is structured to recognize the person most dedicated to traveling and acquiring points.

And if you disagree, please read the GP points rules...something along the lines of "the best three scores counted." In other words, if you want that recognition bad enough, you just keep going to matches to continue replacing your lowest score with a better one. Only the top three are counted.

The old timers tell me the GP series was quite literally structured to motivate people to travel to acquire points. They were trying to incentivize traveling and attending many matches. As such, the AAFTA national champ is the person most dedicated to traveling and acquiring points.

Or you can just go to 3 and win all three. But that's not what happens.

Unless of course, you’re Barb….

Good points.

 

[Solo1]

Not even sort of Blackwolf related, but since the discussion went that direction ...

An AAFTA national championship is structured to recognize the person most dedicated to traveling and acquiring points.

And if you disagree, please read the GP points rules...something along the lines of "the best three scores counted." In other words, if you want that recognition bad enough, you just keep going to matches to continue replacing your lowest score with a better one. Only the top three are counted.

The old timers tell me the GP series was quite literally structured to motivate people to travel to acquire points. They were trying to incentivize traveling and attending many matches. As such, the AAFTA national champ is the person most dedicated to traveling and acquiring points.

Or you can just go to 3 and win all three. But that's not what happens.

This is what keeps me from chasing thr championship. I just can’t see and really don’t have the money to do all the traveling and paying for lodging etc id rather buy my grandson good gear and shoot local with him.

 

[Franklink]

Unless of course, you’re Barb….

Good points.

The only GP I attended this year. As usual, I didn't shoot on Sunday.

She was 11th or so.



She didn't win the GP at this same location in 2024 either.

 

[Franklink]

This one is a bit easier to digest. Same match as the image above. 2025 Arizona State Grand Prix just south of Flagstaff.

 

[Franklink]

This is what keeps me from chasing thr championship. I just can’t see and really don’t have the money to do all the traveling and paying for lodging etc id rather buy my grandson good gear and shoot local with him.

You certainly got to want it pretty bad. And it is quite the achievement, considering the time and $$$. Not many people are gunning for points enough to dedicate that kind of travel time and money.

 

[Billm]

Well, I sincerely was just trying to pass a compliment and did not mean to derail your thread. Maybe these comments could be moved to a new thread.

 

[pan60]

Well, I sincerely was just trying to pass a compliment and did not mean to derail your thread. Maybe these comments could be moved to a new thread.

lets just leave it its all good and we can get back on track : )

 

[Franklink]

Made myself a single shot tray this afternoon.
Have another blank ready for when I go back to .22. just needs the groove and ramp cut. It'll need to be a hair deeper for .22.

I'm no machinist so it's rough, but it works.

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[Soren Drost]

I am using the ManuLoader magazines in my BlackWolf No spring tension - you rotate and click it forward manually

 

[GHairgunner]

I am using the ManuLoader magazines in my BlackWolf No spring tension - you rotate and click it forward manually

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You really need to talk to Monte to see if he would be willing to do a .177 design. I know he has BW's in bigger cals. I use them in my Ghost and Delta and they are a huge success. Daystate Black Wolf large capacity magazines

 

[Soren Drost]

You really need to talk to Monte to see if he would be willing to do a .177 design. I know he has BW's in bigger cals. I use them in my Ghost and Delta and they are a huge success. Daystate Black Wolf large capacity magazines

Hi Glenn

My good friend also designed a pellet care friendly magazine with an even light tension throughout the rotation - works amazing as well He made these way before Monte started and we have the magazines for all sorts of different rifles

 

[Franklink]

Since my last update, I've had 3 or 4 small shooting sessions with the 19fpe Blackwolf in .177, all from Hunter class field target position: stool and shooting sticks. The goal has been to dope out the actual trajectory from 10-55 yards, and get some practice under my belt in case I can make it to a field target match in the near future.

The BW shoots really well from the shooting sticks. Pretty pleasant and enjoyable experience.

Shot a couple groups at 55 yards this afternoon.

Top left is a 10 shot group with JSB 10.34s. = 1.2" CTC
MIddle left is a couple sighters with some experimental pellets I was sent. They weigh 12.7grains
Middle right is those same experimental pellets, first four shots were nearly touching, then a flyer about 2 inches away. Good enough to be worth a second look to determine if that flyer is a frequent occurrence, or a once only deal.
Bottom left is 10 shots with JSB 13.43 MRDs. 0.85" CTC

It's sighted in for the 10.34s, so the other groups were just to see how they'd group, I wasn't trying to center the groups over the bulls.




As previously stated, the 13.43s maybe have a slight bit of an accuracy edge, but both the 10.34s and the 13.43s are shooting more than well enough to be competitive in field target, if the operator doesn't screw up.

A couple of BW-for-field target related observations:

• I've taken a handful of shots with the BW from the offhand and kneeling positions. Not too bad. I wasn't sure what to expect, since the gun seems so geared towards high power benchrest. BUT, it shoots quite well from the offhand position. The only room for improvement that I noted is that I'd like more depth to the forearm if I was going to be taking lots of offhand shots. That would simply help lock the elbow into the hip and still have the eye alignment for thee scope without scrunching up so much. I don't expect it would balance so well for offhand if the 3+ lb SubMOA barrel was installed.
• The first/cold shots are slow. This was one of my main criticisms of the Ghost platform for field target use. The Ghost, when configured for sub20fpe, no matter how I did it, would start 50ish fps slow, and then take 6-8 shots to slowly climb into the expected fps range. The Blackwolf has low cold shots as well, but not nearly as drastic. The first, cold shot will be about 20fps slow, second shot is about 15fps low, and third shot is within 10fps of the average I see over the whole string. My primary field target gun has an ES of 20-25 and so I know that that much of a spread isn't an issue for the kill zone sizes we shoot at for field target. Soooo, the BW does have the slow cold shot situation, but it's not gonna cost misses. Or at least it won't based on how the BW in my position is set up and behaving.
• BW is holding scope zero from day to day in an admirable fashion. A gun with a floating zero is NOT a field target gun. We don't get sighters, so a gun absolutely has to be trusted to maintain its point of impact. Guys will occasionally pop up on the forum and say how come such and such gun is never used in field target. Well, there's your reason. Field target shooters use guns that maintain their impact points. I've been zeroed at 30 yards with the 10.34s from the BW, for a few days now, and it puts pellet right where it should from one shooting session to the next. Trajectory data is also tracking just like it should, for the extremes of what it'll see in an ft match, 2.2 mils of holdover for 10 yards, and 1.1 mils of holdover for 55 yards. And it's been exactly that, and everything in between, each time I've gotten it out to practice, verify over the last few days.
• As much as I enjoy bullpups, the long gun form is truly easier than a bullpup to shoot well for target purposes. And that holds true for the BW. It's plain and simple a long gun. Nothing bullpup-ish about it. It can't even ambiguously claim "semi-bullpup" status. While I prefer a short gun for most of my uses, the time i"m spending shooting the BW from sticks is further convincing me of this simple fact.
• And related to the above two bullet points, the design of the BW allows for a pretty low scope mount situation. It's been fun to see how that affects holdovers for the 10-55 yard field target ranges.
• May or not be applicable for us field target shooters, but I found this interesting tidbit today....
  • There is a different valve stem, designated for low power. That might take a guy all the way down to UK legal sub 12fpe, but it would also be fascinating to see if a 19fpe tune could be derived using that. I suspect it'd further quite down the report, and improve shot cycle, air usage, etc.
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