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Alpha/Delta Wolf Nobody wants .30 cal Daystate?
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Luis Leon
Master HAMster
Just came in from shooting targets at 25 and 40 yards with mine in .22. It really is a sweet little carbine…Ghost is on my bucket list
Scriv
Master HAMster
Well, I hate to admit it, but I prefer my Red Wolf, or my Delta Wolf over my Ghost.
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Love my Red Wolf. It's a gun I'll probably will never sell. Life is short. Let's enjoy all the guns we can get our hands on
BenjeneerJohn
HAM Sniper
I have not spent much time behind an Alpha or Delta but in my limited exposure I liked them. I would really like an Alpha wolf in a red laminate stock. I just cannot justify the expense.
Do you guys think it is really the cost of the ammo or the cost of the rifle and its limitations? There are a number of rifles that can be had for $1000 less that can make the same (or more) power and can shoot pellets and slugs. They also don't require a programmer to tune them. To me a .30 is all about hunting and some longer-range target practice. It would not be my go-to plinking rifle. That might be another reason guys are not willing to spend the money on a DW or AW.
I don't own a .30 yet. I would like to add one to the collection. It would make a good long-range woodchuck rifle and with the correct amount of energy, allow for vitals shots. I generally stick to head shots with my .25s.
It seems to me that the .30 is growing in popularity overall. But with rifles from RTI, AGT and FX that are significantly cheaper and allow for more straightforward tunning are people just not spending the money on a Daystate? To say this another way, is it the caliber or the cost of the rifle?
John
Do you guys think it is really the cost of the ammo or the cost of the rifle and its limitations? There are a number of rifles that can be had for $1000 less that can make the same (or more) power and can shoot pellets and slugs. They also don't require a programmer to tune them. To me a .30 is all about hunting and some longer-range target practice. It would not be my go-to plinking rifle. That might be another reason guys are not willing to spend the money on a DW or AW.
I don't own a .30 yet. I would like to add one to the collection. It would make a good long-range woodchuck rifle and with the correct amount of energy, allow for vitals shots. I generally stick to head shots with my .25s.
It seems to me that the .30 is growing in popularity overall. But with rifles from RTI, AGT and FX that are significantly cheaper and allow for more straightforward tunning are people just not spending the money on a Daystate? To say this another way, is it the caliber or the cost of the rifle?
John
I bought an FX Impact MK2 from a friend that bought it new. After a month, he thought to himself "what do I need this for?". I use it for 100 yd BR and nothing else. If I use it for all the matches they have here, that amounts to 5 a year. But now, I'm using my Impact MK3 in .22 most of the time, so the .30 is collecting dust. While it is a superb shooter, I don't hunt or have anyplace to shoot more than 100 yards, so I'm asking myself the same question as my friend. For the same price, I get twice as many .22 cal pellets as .30. Now, I'm gravitating toward .177 even for 100 yd. Soooo, I can understand why .30 cal rifles are not in demand so much.
Danman
Grand HAMster
You hit the nail on the head. I have zero bad things to say about these electronic rifles other than being electronic and expensive! If I was a wealthy slob (
don't read into that) I would probably get the Alpha wolf AND Red wolf with red stocks as well
There is just so many cheaper and simpler ways to fling a .30cal pellet. .30 is predominantly a longer range hunting round. Roughing it outback going after hogs, small deer, coyotes, etc is definitely doable with an electronic rifle but I'd be taking back up! And then....I'd still shoot with my .177 and .22s mainly as filling rifles takes away from shooting time!
I'm going to say that it is the electronics rifle thing which is limiting the movement of the .30s on the AoA site. Not everyone wants an electronic rifle and a .30 HP Red Wolf is a long rifle - not something you'd really want to be stalking around with. So that puts it more on the bench.
One other thing I think is going on with the .30 is that the power levels available in .25 have increased in the past few years so much that .30 no longer holds the edge when you really want to smack something. A .30 pellet is really limiting you to the 80-90 fpe range. .25 Slugs are now easily pushing 80-90fpe and more up to 120. Thus the need for the larger .30 has gone down a bit.
One other thing I think is going on with the .30 is that the power levels available in .25 have increased in the past few years so much that .30 no longer holds the edge when you really want to smack something. A .30 pellet is really limiting you to the 80-90 fpe range. .25 Slugs are now easily pushing 80-90fpe and more up to 120. Thus the need for the larger .30 has gone down a bit.
Florida_Man
Master HAMster
Most of us air gunners are recreational shooters. Most of my shooting is plinking and personal target shooting. I can do that with 177 just fine, and do a ton of it. So 30 doesn’t make sense for that.
I’ve been at my job long enough, and fortunate enough to be in a good place financially. I make over the median household income, and my wife is more successful than me. But we also have a house, kid, and retirement that come first. Hobbies are important, but come last to the above. I also drive a 19 year old vehicle for the above reasons. I say that all not to brag, but to say I don’t have a place in my house for such expensive rifles, when I can be responsible and get the shooting joy out of less expensive equipment.
If others make it work for them, good deal. I’m just giving the point of view from someone who can afford one, but chooses not to.
I’ve been at my job long enough, and fortunate enough to be in a good place financially. I make over the median household income, and my wife is more successful than me. But we also have a house, kid, and retirement that come first. Hobbies are important, but come last to the above. I also drive a 19 year old vehicle for the above reasons. I say that all not to brag, but to say I don’t have a place in my house for such expensive rifles, when I can be responsible and get the shooting joy out of less expensive equipment.
If others make it work for them, good deal. I’m just giving the point of view from someone who can afford one, but chooses not to.
not the amo i have a .30 not the cost of the rifle i have a EVOL its simple its electronics that alone diminishes the potention custimer base.
and it would be nice if the ammo was cheap but i think most all pellets and slug are over priced.
Hateful McNasty
Grand HAMster
I kinda wonder if on that used stuff if you called and tried to bicker a better deal then whats listed ? Don't see why not .
Hateful McNasty
Grand HAMster
That a daystate ? Just 1 year? That kinda money better be lifetime..lol. My junk gamo is 5 .
MountainSportAirguns
Good Level Advertiser
I don't think electronic guns really do anything better than a mechanical type gun, I currently own two and both are in .30 caliber. They are highly tunable, just in a different way and for some folks that's the fun...its just different. The number one reason I see people selling heavy calibers is because they are typically backyard shooters. They want a quiet backyard shooter but go out and purchased a big bore. Haha Then they ask what's the best moderator to quiet the gun down.....well, that big hole is going to be difficult to tame. I have the first .30 caliber Safari that was available here in the usa, I've used that for big game hunting as well as a coyote gun. Fantastic gun for both pellets and slugs. Currently that guns apart and getting some upgrades. I have a .30 AW that I haven't touched a thing with, shooting very close to 100 fpe that makes it nice for coyotes and I can turn it down with a few shots to 60fpe for rabbits and gain a bunch more shots. My vote is the market has migrated back into smaller calibers that are more cost effective for the majority of shooting people do.
MountainSportAirguns
Good Level Advertiser
I think it's a bit of both, anyone willing to drop that kind of money on a kit is no doubt a serious enthusiasts. I for one could never understand these people who buy Cybertrucks...but im not a car enthusiasts. Lol My 20 year old Jeep does everything I want it to do and still squeezes every nickel out of my pocket.
Makes perfect sense to me.
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