Alpha/Delta Wolf Nobody wants .30 cal Daystate?

[Luis Leon]

Well maybe you had a good time had 2 red wolfs ended up returning both after sending the first 1 back after a week to have the gcu replaced. 2nd 1 could barely keep the shots on a 81/2”x 11 sheet of paper @100 yds. As far as im concerned they can shove those electronic guns where the sun dont shine!

The KISS principle should apply with a vengeance to all PCPs. I like combustion engines. The only electric thing on my bicycle is the GPS and blinky lights…

 

[Luis Leon]

It seems the Daystate used .30 cal guns are not selling. I see the used Alpha Wolf, Delta Wolf, and Red Wolf in .30 cal on AoA have been sitting there for a while not moving. No love for .30 cal Daystates?

I don’t believe its about those particular PCPs per say… .30 caliber PCPs are a niche market, if you are a dedicated hunter of medium size critters, or competitor they shine. For the majority? Not so much, you are approaching and surpassing .22 rimfire energy levels. This severly limits where you can deploy these beast. The majority come to airguns for their “lower power goodness”. Yes, the .30 has its place, but it will never be as popular to the majority as the .177 and .22s…

 

[Danman]

Well maybe you had a good time had 2 red wolfs ended up returning both after sending the first 1 back after a week to have the gcu replaced. 2nd 1 could barely keep the shots on a 81/2”x 11 sheet of paper @100 yds. As far as im concerned they can shove those electronic guns where the sun dont shine!

It's no mystery why the new black wolf is all mechanical, the Ghost remains such a hot seller, and Daystate has semi-recently released the "smart" (simplified) version of the electronic guns. I'd bet they are selling more Ghosts then Delta/Alphas combined. I like my airguns like my cars.....manual with minimal electronics.

 

[Solo1]

I really don’t think the barrel was the problem with the 30 either i blame the electronics cause my 30 shoots just fine in the ghost.

 

[Ezana4CE]

Most .30 cal air rifles tend to lack “oomph” to me. IMO they don’t do much better than a Huben .25 when it comes to producing power. Since I hunt, that matters. If a .30 can’t compete with a .25 in power, then it’s .25 for small/mediumish animals until I need more power and I bump it up to 175+ FPE in .357. The .30 has always been an odd caliber to me, yet I own an Evol .30 that I barely shoot. If you’re shooting in competitions then you may make more distinctions. I like to hunt and I’m not the best shot so I want something that will break bones and rip through tissue. I want power and decent accuracy (a barrel manufactured correctly), not a huge shot count and superb accuracy at 100 yards.

 

[ctshooter]

I really don’t think the barrel was the problem with the 30 either i blame the electronics cause my 30 shoots just fine in the ghost.

I could never agree with that statement. There is no logic in it. A solonoid hits a valve or a hammer hits a valve - that part is still mechanical. If your chrono string was solid then it was something else.

You've had a poor experience and you have the right to hate the electronics - I don't. I love them and have that SAME RIGHT to love as you do to hate them. So I will stand by the electronics as much as you will not. We agree to disagree there.

What I will say is that, in general, the barrels Daystate was making for the Alpha and Delta Wolves and also the Ghost - yes exact same barrel part numbers - were generally freakin turds. I had a .25 Alpha barrel that couldn't stay on paper at 100 yards. I had a .30 barrel that could get less than 6-8" groups at 100 yards. Had a .177 HP barrel that couldn't stay on a 4' x 4' plywood backing at 100 yards. And I've had friends with a Ghost .30 that went back to AoA multiple times and still shot like poop past 50 yards.

So if you love you Ghost - be happy you won the barrel lottery - because I lost it 4 times with different Alpha barrels.

 

[Solo1]

I could never agree with that statement. There is no logic in it.

Well there may be no logic but what would you call it when a 177 shoots 1/2” or less groups at 50 yds till it gets to 200 bar then the groups suddenly grow to 2” ? You return the gun they replace the gcu and all of a sudden it shoots good again?

 

[pfddi]

I have a Ghost in .30 that is one of my regular hunting rifles. I have a RW in .25 that I shoot a lot at the range. I did buy one of AoAs "sale" Alpha Wolfs in .22 with the thought of getting a Sub MOA slug barrel for it in .30. I have been able to hunt more on a friend's large ranch and I find myself grabbing a .30 more than anything. The 177/22 are more for "backyard pesting."

The Daystate electronic triggers - to my feel - are superb and I really enjoy them. The AW has the 23" barrel and it seems I get a lot more "flyers" out of it than my RW in .22 with the HP barrel. Out of 4 Daystates, my Wolverine R in .177 is always spot on when shooting it.

I may have to rethink the .30 for the AW and maybe go with a .25 slug barrel if I can swap between it and the Ghost. As said in other posts, there's not too much difference in FPE between the 2 calibers, but something about the .30 hitting the pest over the .25 seems to give just a bit more "whack!"

 

[Chief 10-Beers]

When I first saw the Rifles Using Electronics, I shied away from them because of My Luck with batteries. I'd take it hunting and the battery would be dead. lol

 

[Dogowski]

When I first saw the Rifles Using Electronics, I shied away from them because of My Luck with batteries. I'd take it hunting and the battery would be dead. lol

Lol, that would be my luck too!

 

[AtlasAirguns]

Alpha Wolfs are awesome. I love throwing that lever and feeling zero weight to it. And the stock, don't even get me started!

Different strokes for different folks, but Daystate 30 cal any model, electronic or analog, I am all about.

 

[Linehauler73]

This does seem to be true and I don’t get it either. I just picked up a killer deal on a like new DW in .30. Sat there forever in the classifieds. I kind of get cost but this is shooting and let’s be real .30 ammo isn’t that crazy. I know someone earlier in this thread said they would just go 22lr if they needed 30 referencing CCI standard ammo. I have never seen CCI standard in my experience shoot anywhere near as well at longer 75-100 yards ranges as a quality .30 air rifle. To get that in 22 you are spending just as much per round. Maybe it’s the electronics ?? I already own an AW and have total confidence in it and used prices of the electro daystates are virtually the same as a used ghost. How on earth can I buy a used ghost when the price of a DW is the same and offers so many more features plus a way better trigger. I don’t get it. Guess it worked out for me though.

 

[Solo1]

The biggest reason i like the ghost over the delta is the electronics. I can’t fix them if something goes wrong. The ghost i can repair myself and not spend a $100+ to send back to aoa like if i had a problem with the delta. Also i have a decent 6-8 oz trigger that has feel unlike the dw wich has no feel

 

[Bill_D]

I guess it depends on your experience an curiosity, I've spent my whole career in electronics, controls and robots, so to match that up with the airgun hobby to me is pretty cool - I love my Redwolfs but I tune myself- never have relied on the factory or AoA tuning, but I also have an FX Crown and a few RAWs that I love just as much
As for the 30 cal - most everyone that buys a 30 is using in competition not just plinking.

 

[cavedweller]

I agree mostly with what's been said minus ammo cost.... Bigger ammo will of course cost more money to shoot, something you should of course consider when buying. The problem mostly is the electronics. Most people going for a pcp will already be preparing themselves mentally for possible leaks down the road. I for example own 2 pcps and 2 springers, if one goes down I have the others. Now with an electronic pcp you have 3 (yes 3!) problems, air leaks, Electronics konking, and battery life. After the cost and hassle you could just buy a crazy accurate 22LR (same FPE) for say $1200 and a .22 cheaper pcp/Springer for say $500 to deal with problems, plinking, etc. Lastly my .22 Ghost (while being still very expensive) has not met anything yet it couldnt bring down with an MRD. Have taken 3 birds @75, 80, and 98 Yards with it, All pass throughs, all 1 shot kills. It should be absolutely fine with coons, ground hogs, etc to 50Y. In fact it's generally too much power and I default to using my S510 more around the property. I would love a .30cal barrel, but no thanks on a .30 cal electric!!

I have three different Daystate electronic rifles and in 3 years I've not had one problem with them. .177/.25/.30 Although i am not a fan of bullpups so my deltawolf/alpha wolf doesn't come out much. As far as ammo cost.... those who can afford to buy $2800. plus airguns generally shouldn't be to worried about ammo cost.

 

[Chris two-furs]

I think it's a bit of both, anyone willing to drop that kind of money on a kit is no doubt a serious enthusiasts. I for one could never understand these people who buy Cybertrucks...but im not a car enthusiasts. Lol My 20 year old Jeep does everything I want it to do and still squeezes every nickel out of my pocket.

Why anyone would buy a stainless steel missile? They're not allowed on roads in the UK. I have my restored 67 Chevy K20 pickup to drop dollars into, LOL!

 

[Chris two-furs]

Yeah - it really isn't a big deal. Charge a battery once a month. The electronics on the Daystate rifles have been dead reliable for a long time. I hate these fear monger posts where people blow things out of proportion.

Yes, especially when they've never had that rifle, lol!

 

[nightplinkers]

Yes, especially when they've never had that rifle, lol!

It IS FEAR, but fear of the unknown, fear of it being too complicated or requiring too much tech-savvy, fear of learning something new. If you haven’t tried one, you’re just guessing. I’ve introduced 3 non-airgun people to airguns via my Delta Wolf. No issues, only good times. If you’re reading this forum, you already have more than enough “tech-savvy” to easily handle an intelligent airgun.

 

[ctshooter]

It IS FEAR, but fear of the unknown, fear of it being too complicated or requiring too much tech-savvy, fear of learning something new. If you haven’t tried one, you’re just guessing. I’ve introduced 3 non-airgun people to airguns via my Delta Wolf. No issues, only good times. If you’re reading this forum, you already have more than enough “tech-savvy” to easily handle an intelligent airgun.

The electronics are not for everyone. It's still a very niche area within the airgun industry. Nevertheless I find the electronics work the way they should, are reliable and produce fantastic results. I will say that programming the Red Wolf is not for the faint of heart - I've gone Heliboard in my 2 and you still have to think and work through spreadsheets to get the settings right. It can take a lot of time working through the programming with the trigger as the input, but temperature independent super low ES/SD can be achieved with the Red Wolf.

As far as .30 goes - it's a great caliber for distance. I do enjoy plinking with it sometimes - who doesn't enjoy the feel of a little extra power? For me though it is my 100 yard caliber. I've tried .25 and it works - I just favor .30. I've tried .22 and the juice wasn't worth the squeeze at 100 yards with pellets. Heck I'll shoot 100 yards with some of my lower powered 177s using pellets and keep groups within 2-3" as long as the wind isn't too bad.

 

[Xindaris]

I have 2 30 calibers and one is a Daystate. Use them for varmint control and find them every bit as effective as the 22lr and safer in confined areas. As far as ammo costs go price 22lr match ammo. Top tier is approaching $50 a box when you can find it. And there is only 50 rounds in a box.