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The elusive airgun that AVERAGES 100 yard sub moa groups.

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I've been chasing long range airgun accuracy for 4 or 5 years now. And mostly trying to do it with relatively low power setups. The combined variables of "long range" and "low power" make it quite the challenge. While I do stretch out the distance shooting pests to much further, the metric for the long range/sub moa airgun has been simple, paper at 100 yards. Sometimes EBR targets, and sometimes just shooting at printed circles. About three years ago I moved into a house with 135 yards off the back porch. That easy access has been a blessing and a curse. I find myself out there at least 3 or 4 times every week, usually shooting to 100 yards. Sometimes it's even at night, after work and the kids are in bed. Lots of comparing and assessing whether or not a changed variable in the recipe (gun/projectile/speed/barrel/twist rate/choke/sizing/etc etc etc) makes much of a difference.

I finally stumbled upon one, the elusive airgun that AVERAGES sub moa, 100 yard groups. Now, many guys will share an exceptional cherrypicked 100 yard group that is MOA or better, but it's pretty rare to see somebody sharing results of a gun AVERAGING moa or better at 100 yards, at ANY power level. I've been shooting this gun/barrel/projectile combo for a couple months and can definitively say that it AVERAGES sub moa 100 yard groups. This is not the occasional cherry-picked moa group, but day in and day out, I can shoot 5, or 10, or 15 groups, measure them and average out the CTC and it'll be less than 1 inch.

Here is the most recent example. This was shot just a few evenings ago after I'd gotten home from a field target match. Hadn't scrubbed the barrel in a while so pulled the barrel and the shroud and gave the bore a thorough clean. Put it back together, walked some paper down to 100 yards, and shot this. The bottom right bull were my sighters, after that I moved up to the upper left and took 5 shots, then upper right, etc. That first group of shots that "counted" is stretched a bit right to left, telling me I should have taken a few more sighters to figure out the wind. The upper right had one shot drop low, about as bad of a flyer as this combo produces. The final 3x5 shot groups were pretty dang good though. So, the best and worst work out to 0.6moa and 1.4 moa. Average of the 5 shot groups is 0.95" or 0.9072moa. This is the first 29 consecutive shots after the barrel was cleaned (4 sighters and 25 counted shots). For those familiar with the EBR target format, out of 25 shots, 10 are 10s, 14 are 9s and the "flyer" is a 7. The EBR score would be a 233.

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This is the second more recent example, shot maybe two weeks ago. I didn't use the EBR target, but just a 8 bull target. The larger circles on this printed target are 1 and 3/8" so it makes the groups look worse than the larger bull EBR targets above. There are 8x5 shot groups here, sighters were in the upper left, and "count" towards my average. This is also all consecutive shots, just like the target above. So this is 40 back to back shots. Again 100 yards. Best group was 7/8" worse was 1.25." The average of these 8x5 shot groups is 0.98" or 0.9358MOA.

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These are not the only examples of the AVERAGE 100 yard sub moa results, just the most recent.

The primary parts of the recipe are: a BRK Ghost with a 12 land and groove, choked .20 Lothar Walther barrel shooting the NSA .20/18.9grain @ only 875-880, for about 32fpe.
 
I've been chasing long range airgun accuracy for 4 or 5 years now. And mostly trying to do it with relatively low power setups. The combined variables of "long range" and "low power" make it quite the challenge. While I do stretch out the distance shooting pests to much further, the metric for the long range/sub moa airgun has been simple, paper at 100 yards. Sometimes EBR targets, and sometimes just shooting at printed circles. About three years ago I moved into a house with 135 yards off the back porch. That easy access has been a blessing and a curse. I find myself out there at least 3 or 4 times every week, usually shooting to 100 yards. Sometimes it's even at night, after work and the kids are in bed. Lots of comparing and assessing whether or not a changed variable in the recipe (gun/projectile/speed/barrel/twist rate/choke/sizing/etc etc etc) makes much of a difference.

I finally stumbled upon one, the elusive airgun that AVERAGES sub moa, 100 yard groups. Now, many guys will share an exceptional cherrypicked 100 yard group that is MOA or better, but it's pretty rare to see somebody sharing results of a gun AVERAGING moa or better at 100 yards, at ANY power level. I've been shooting this gun/barrel/projectile combo for a couple months and can definitively say that it AVERAGES sub moa 100 yard groups. This is not the occasional cherry-picked moa group, but day in and day out, I can shoot 5, or 10, or 15 groups, measure them and average out the CTC and it'll be less than 1 inch.

Here is the most recent example. This was shot just a few evenings ago after I'd gotten home from a field target match. Hadn't scrubbed the barrel in a while so pulled the barrel and the shroud and gave the bore a thorough clean. Put it back together, walked some paper down to 100 yards, and shot this. The bottom right bull were my sighters, after that I moved up to the upper left and took 5 shots, then upper right, etc. That first group of shots that "counted" is stretched a bit right to left, telling me I should have taken a few more sighters to figure out the wind. The upper right had one shot drop low, about as bad of a flyer as this combo produces. The final 3x5 shot groups were pretty dang good though. So, the best and worst work out to 0.6moa and 1.4 moa. Average of the 5 shot groups is 0.95" or 0.9072moa. This is the first 29 consecutive shots after the barrel was cleaned (4 sighters and 25 counted shots). For those familiar with the EBR target format, out of 25 shots, 10 are 10s, 14 are 9s and the "flyer" is a 7. The EBR score would be a 233.

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This is the second more recent example, shot maybe two weeks ago. I didn't use the EBR target, but just a 8 bull target. The larger circles on this printed target are 1 and 3/8" so it makes the groups look worse than the larger bull EBR targets above. There are 8x5 shot groups here, sighters were in the upper left, and "count" towards my average. This is also all consecutive shots, just like the target above. So this is 40 back to back shots. Again 100 yards. Best group was 7/8" worse was 1.25." The average of these 8x5 shot groups is 0.98" or 0.9358MOA.

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These are not the only examples of the AVERAGE 100 yard sub moa results, just the most recent.

The primary parts of the recipe are: a BRK Ghost with a 12 land and groove, choked .20 Lothar Walther barrel shooting the NSA .20/18.9grain @ only 875-880, for about 32fpe.
 
I finally stumbled upon one, the elusive airgun that AVERAGES sub moa, 100 yard groups. Now, many guys will share an exceptional cherrypicked 100 yard group that is MOA or better, but it's pretty rare to see somebody sharing results of a gun AVERAGING moa or better at 100 yards, at ANY power level.
Isn't it a sublime feeling ? This is why I can't even stomach the thought of sending my Paradigm out to a very prominent youtuber so he can review it. My paradigm is to me what your ghost is to you. Its a great feeling especially when its been a pursuit for a long time.

Nice shooting!
 
That's some seriously good groups, (that would be alotta dead starlings!) My AA S510 with Lothar Walther barrel and a choke shoots 21grain patriots 810/820 fps and groups excellent at 50! any heavier and It won't group well. Have never tried 100yards, but I will someday. I hope to get a ghost in .22 myself and get similar accuracy with slugs (and a slug barrel). It would be my 75 to 100yard gun! Thanks for all your 'work' with the ghost and reporting back to us on this beauty of a British rifle!
 
Shot another 35 of the .20 slugs just now. 100 yards. I changed a variable though, added a moderator.

Bulls were shot in the order I numbered them. Took ten shots at the upper left first. Concluded that the moderator shifted me right about 0.3mils, and down about 0.3 mils. I added the three clicks of vertical but tried to just hold off the 0.3mils of horizontal for group # 2 (middle left). That didn't work so well so I clicked in the 0.3 in the windage turret before I shot group #3. Continued on to group 4, 5, and 6 with the same turret settings. Some of the holes in the bottom right group (group #6) look bigger than the others but that's because the paper was bulged out down there, from where the edge was contacting the bucket pellet trap.

In the scored groups I'm seeing 2x8, 10x10, and 13x9, so totals out to another 233 EBR score. Those five average 1.044 inches, which is 0.9969MOA, cutting it close on this one. Technically if the 10shot sighters group is included my average I'm over 1 moa. I'm not that nitpicky though, still pretty pleased with this combination. Simply more of the same. I think the added moderator cost me just an ever slight bit of accuracy, when compared to only using the shroud.

With and without MOA coin, for reference and to prove that I'm not hiding a hole in the paper under there. 😬
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I have full respect for shooters that can stack them at 100. From my 50 yard shooting experience I realized it’s HARD . Anyone can shoot 25 but long distances it takes a lot of skill and setup of course but a lot of skill
And under field conditions (leaning against tree, barn, vehicle, or fence post), most of us would be lucky to shoot those groups at 35. Not including be tired and winded from running into position to take a shot.
 
And under field conditions (leaning against tree, barn, vehicle, or fence post), most of us would be lucky to shoot those groups at 35. Not including be tired and winded from running into position to take a shot.

I'm not a real benchrest shooter. This is my setup when shooting from a bench. Notice the fancy folding camp chair, coupled with the extremely sturdy plastic folding table, also let me draw your attention to the denim rear bag, made from a pair of old jeans. And finally, my bipod is a $20 Chinese clone. Real high-end benchrest gear here. This type of shooting represents maybe 10% of my trigger time.
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The other 80% of my shooting in the last yearish has been done from a stool and shooting sticks, like this:
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And that 80% was from a bumbag prior to the stool and sticks.
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The remainder is, as you said, from a fencepost or standing tripod or offhand or leaning against a tree or what we else I can find for stability.
 
Shot this earlier today. Nearest weather station shows that winds were 3-5mph, mostly quartering in from about 11 o clock, but it was switching and going left at times too, per correlation between mirage and impact points.

Top left are the couple 20/18.9 (slug) sighters I shot prior to the groups. Top right and middle right are 25 shot groups with the slugs, 50 shots in a row. I was paying better attention to the mirage on the second 25 shot group with the slugs, the middle right one. That has 25 shots into 1.22moa, or 22 shots into 1.09 moa.

The bottom left is pellet sighters and bottom right is a 25 shot group with .20/15.89 pellets. I was curious about wind effect on them versus the slugs so just held dead center for all 25 shots. Wind was pushing the pellets pretty good, both to the left and to the right. The 25shot pellet group is probably 3.5inches across, with maybe 20 or so of them into about 1.75". The pellet group isn't anything amazing.

Pretty pleased with the slugs. 32fpe is relatively low power to be putting 25 consecutive shots into groups like that at 100 yards.
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Been spending a lot of time testing airguns my typically methodical way. Lots of 100 yard paper shooting of pellets, which can be an exercise in frustration, regardless of the gun.
Anyway, took a break yesterday afternoon and got after some prairie dogs.
.20 Ghost on some early spring prairie dogs

Decided to shoot a card @ 100 with those slugs yesterday evening. And this is how it went.

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Just shot the one card. Took 3 shots to figure out what the wind was doing, upper left. The next three shots went into about 3/8", centered on the ten ring lol.

Scored a 230, with the 5x5 average being just a hair under MOA, as it usually is with this combination.

(Me, shaking head in disbelief.)

Always fun to come back to an amazing rig, set up right, and experience the magic all over again.

Pretty damn amazing for 34-35fpe.
 

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