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PCP Epic Rifle response from EdGun West

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I have been watching this rifle for a while and it was looking like it was a copy of a few different rifles piled into one. Well having talked with the manufacter as well as Brian over at EdGun West.....This is an email response from Brian that he is ok with me sharing with everyone.

I wanted to share some insights about the Epic rifle, addressing some misconceptions that have been circulating.
While some may draw parallels between the Epic and other models, it's crucial to highlight the distinctive features that set the Epic apart. The valve hammer, buttstock, barrel tension system, silencer, balance valve, regulator, trigger, safety frame, and air tube—all meticulously crafted—are designed with unparalleled precision. The only commonality with the Evol lies in its sleek black aesthetic and a visual semblance to the AR-15.
What truly makes the Epic stand out is its exceptional uniqueness. The balance valve, trigger mechanism, and modular design elevate it to a league of its own. Unlike the AAA, the Epic offers a remarkable level of customization. From seamlessly transitioning between a tube and a carbon fiber bottle to the flexibility of changing calibers and barrel lengths, the Epic empowers users to tailor their airgun experience. Additionally, the platform allows for choosing different plenum lengths and converting the stock from fixed to foldable, providing a spectrum of possibilities.
The Epic's versatility extends further with options like a bag rider, monopod, and various cheek pieces, allowing users to fine-tune their setup according to individual preferences. It's not merely a rifle; it's a canvas for personalization.
Please reach out if you have any further inquiries or wish to explore the Epic's features in more detail. We're here to ensure you make an informed decision tailored to your needs.
Thank you for considering the Epic rifle, a testament to innovation and customization in the world of airguns

  1. Bag Rider:
  • Enhances stability and support during shooting.
  • Provides a comfortable resting point for the rifle.
  1. Monopod:
  • Improves stability and precision when shooting from a fixed position.
  • Allows for quick and easy adjustments to the rifle height.
  1. Cheek Pieces:
  • Offers different height options to achieve the perfect cheek weld.
  • Ensures optimal eye alignment with the scope for improved accuracy.
  1. Alternative Stocks:
  • Provides options for various stock configurations, including fixed and folding stocks.
  • Enables customization based on personal preferences and shooting requirements.
  1. Different Plenum Lengths:
  • Allows for fine-tuning of air volume and pressure.
  • Enables optimization of the rifle's performance for different shooting scenarios.
  1. Caliber Conversion Kits:
  • Facilitates easy conversion to different calibers.
  • Provides versatility for various shooting applications or preferences.
  1. Barrel Length Options:
  • Offers a selection of barrel lengths to suit different shooting environments.
  • Allows users to customize the rifle for specific ranges or purposes.
  1. Tube to Carbon Fiber Bottle Conversion Kit:
  • Enables users to switch between a traditional air tube and a lightweight carbon fiber bottle.
  • Provides flexibility in terms of weight and capacity.
  1. Silencers:
  • Enhances the shooting experience by reducing noise.
  • Allows for more discreet shooting while maintaining accuracy.
  1. Customizable Trigger Options:
  • Offers a range of trigger options for personalized sensitivity and feel.
  • Enables users to choose a trigger that suits their shooting style.
These accessories add functionality and allow you to tailor your Epic rifle to your unique preferences and shooting requirements. If you have specific choices or would like more information on any particular accessory, feel free to reach out, and we'd be delighted to assist you further..


Brian has been awesome answering questions and quick to respond.

Will be curious to see how the rifle performs and to see how it compares to the Evol line of rifles.
 
Typical Brian sales pitch. Love the part where he says the only similarities it shares are black and ar15 look. We can all see from side by sides this isn’t accurate. It’s not a similar product, it looks absolutely identical from design of block, to scope rail. I’m sure the “internals” don’t share too much in common, but this doesn’t mean it didn’t copy the AAA. just like it copied the Leshiy2 regulator adjustment. There are plenty of ways to design your own pcp. Copying others designs is just bad taste. Maybe it’s a form of flattery to this brands it copies, but to me, it shows lack of originality from a brand. Let me know how it works for you, I won’t be buying one.
 
Agreed. There are many similarly designed parts from multiple different rifles. The shape of the receiver looks awful close to the Evol, simply leaving it blocky would have solved that. Curious to see how they handle though next to the evol, as well as an EdGun and others.

The big bonus is that Tom is here in the states and easy to get ahold of.
 
Typical Brian sales pitch. Love the part where he says the only similarities it shares are black and ar15 look. We can all see from side by sides this isn’t accurate. It’s not a similar product, it looks absolutely identical from design of block, to scope rail. I’m sure the “internals” don’t share too much in common, but this doesn’t mean it didn’t copy the AAA. just like it copied the Leshiy2 regulator adjustment. There are plenty of ways to design your own pcp. Copying others designs is just bad taste. Maybe it’s a form of flattery to this brands it copies, but to me, it shows lack of originality from a brand. Let me know how it works for you, I won’t be buying one.
Lots of automobiles look similar… there are only so many ways to design the externals of guns. IMHO, many, many guns from different brands and manufacturers resemble each other. The test of time will tell the Epic tale…
 
Whether it will be an epic release or an epic failure, time will tell. I haven't seen many significant advancements in PCP airguns in the past year or two. Marketers would have us believe that something groundbreaking or game changing is happening with almost every other PCP released, but I rarely see that. Thankfully enough knowledgable members are bold enough to suss out the b.s. and call marketers, distributors, and manufactures out on it. Skout recently offered the market something different with their guns, but it seems they're still working some things out. It's good to see new offerings as well as advancements in existing innovation to keep the market competitive and prices affordable for the end user, but don't come to us calling a newly released airgun something new, original, or ground breaking when it is obviously a amalgamation of recycled design concepts.
 
Whether it will be an epic release or an epic failure, time will tell. I haven't seen many significant advancements in PCP airguns in the past year or two. Marketers would have us believe that something groundbreaking or game changing is happening with almost every other PCP released, but I rarely see that. Thankfully enough knowledgable members are bold enough to suss out the b.s. and call marketers, distributors, and manufactures out on it. Skout recently offered the market something different with their guns, but it seems they're still working some things out. It's good to see new offerings as well as advancements in existing innovation to keep the market competitive and prices affordable for the end user, but don't come to us calling a newly released airgun something new, original, or ground breaking when it is obviously a amalgamation of recycled design concepts.
New advancements have come out in the past few years, but they’re not what I would consider “new” technology. Just improved designs. The balanced valve is one that comes to mind. While it’s not new to the market, it’s definitely been advanced and redesigned. As has the hammerless valve design used by Edgun as well as Huben, and Western.
We’re in an era in pcp’s now where the basic systems have little to be improved upon, but refinement will happen for a long time. The internal combustion engine hasn’t been redesigned for decades, but improvements in design has made them more efficient, and powerful.
 
@Madeintheuk You're pretty much reiterating what I stated in the post that you quoted. Hubens have been out for years. The hammerless system is not even close to new. The balanced valve has been around for while. I think JSAR was using those a few years back. If anyone was using them before them I do not know. The second part of your concluding sentence looks very similar to the first part of mine.
 
I feel like complaining today too! But I have no skin in this game, and it will just fall flat.:) I will say that I have been watching and reading about balanced valves being developed over the years and they instill nothing but reservations with me. I am not talking about custom made ones like Matt's either, I mean production. I hope somebody's will prove long term reliable someday, and by that I mean service intervals as long as the regulators. When the complaints are as few and far between as the Taipan Veteran has gotten over the years, then I will get one. With the big names making them now, I am actually optimistic that it will, (if it hasn't actually already) happen.
 
This video shows it to be a well thought out, quality product. Lots of really neat standard features in the gun with lots of configuration options. Looking forward to the hearing more from early adopters of the Epic. I am definitely interested. The Evol fanboys will simply have to get over the fact that it somewhat resembles an, ahem, Evol.

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@Madeintheuk You're pretty much reiterating what I stated in the post that you quoted. Hubens have been out for years. The hammerless system is not even close to new. The balanced valve has been around for while. I think JSAR was using those a few years back. If anyone was using them before them I do not know. The second part of your concluding sentence looks very similar to the first part of mine.
I guess it depends what you consider “new”. An improvement on an old design is still new, just not a ground breaking design.
 
Definitely alot of guns look similar to other guns and that would not deter me. (Rti prophet, fx impact, western rattler, Brk ghost for example are all similar LOOKING but are unique) AAA should not and does not own the market on that style or any other style of gun. And they simply cannot keep up with demand for there excellent guns, that speaks volumes! All I hear about them has been positive, esp from you folks. (now if edgun was 100% ripping them off that would be another issue!!) Also esp for you Americans i agree it makes sense to buy local and support local as you in turn should get quicker service/parts on you equipment. If that gun can perform (and with a name like EPIC!?)...I welcome it to the Market!
 
I, for one, will openly admit that I am a AAA fanboy. With that said, I am a fanboy of all well made airguns, most could stand more improvement, be that with more robust designs or better materials, but then they'd cost as much as an AAA too. Everything is a compromise to find a place in the market. I certainly like competition keeping everybody trying new things to stand out. We'll all benefit from it in the end, ...not our wallets though, they will be empty.
 
AAA fanboy here as well.
and i said over on AGN and here that just because they look simular doesnt mean they are.
i think time will tell. someone will get their hands on one and open it up and you will know right away what was or was not copyed if anything.
 
Here’s one already for sale…

Look, a raving review already.
 
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@Luis Leon The sarcasm was intentional, but more of a jab at the email that was posted. I hope you didn't take that personally. I'm not into being sold dressed up bunny 💩 and told it's caviar. As I previously posted, time will tell about the Epic airguns. I was skeptical about the Skout Epoch and it's turning into something promising. That was pleasant to see, especially their customer service and responsiveness to feedback. As for Epic, I have reservations that I will refrain from elaborating upon and posting publicly.
 
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The seller posted why he is selling… larger than expected. Why not query him directly and post up his response, if any? Sarcasm is unnecessary… And you know I highly value your opinion on airguns, pesting and hunting.
i ask him and he said
Love the gun just to big for my shooting ways It's bigger than it looks in pics but man what a shooter.

i ask him how it compared to the EVOL as i know he has had one and he said
Hands down better built and function

but i will add base on my chats with him in the past i got the impression i was not a fan of the EVOL as i recall ( and dont take this for gosple ) he felt the gun should have a better shot count?
i dont think he would mind me posting this hes a great guy and i have spoken with him a few times his views have some weight.
i dont see how it could be biut better then a EVOL? but maybe he is talking about the reg, balanced vale stock looking at the whole one? again just speculation.
i wil send him a link and see if he cares to chime in.
 

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