Ghost My Ghost approach

[Scriv]

I've not yet seen anyone approach tuning the ghost the way I did so I thought that I'd bring it up. I took a known accurate pellet, jsb 10.3 that I knew liked a certain velocity in another rifle that I owned. I dialed it in on the radar which turned out be 120 bar on my Ghost. I had the wheel set in the middle (9) and adjusted the regulator to the desired velocity. The gun was very accurate at this point. I then adjusted the wheel, and watched the deviation drop, or increase depending on setting. When I found the sweet spot I recorded it so that I could return to it if I needed to. In other words I tuned for power level with the reg, and fine tuned accuracy with the wheel beginning in the center of adjustment. This was with a HP .177 coming from a powder burning background rather than air guns this seemed logical to me.

 

[EDventure Outdoors]

I thought about that approach too. It's been successful for me on FX Impact and Maverick. My concern is I thought the optimal pressure for the balance valve is 130 - 160. I'm far from an expert though so hopefully others will chime in.

 

[Solo1]

Look im not an airgun tuning expert but have some experience. From my experience with 2 mavericks and an m3 and with a redwolf and 2 reveres and now 2 ghosts i do have some knowledge. I see too many people adjusting regs too much and then wonder why they have problems with them. So anymore i try to keep it simple. When i first got my ghost 177 hp i thought I would need a low reg pressure cause i planned to shoot it at less than mfg lowest speeds. It shot very well with 80 bar @ 810 to give me under 20 fpe so i shot it that way all summer and it was great! Now i wanted to turn things up and try slugs turnd up the reg to 140 ( daystate seems to set up their guns at this reg pressure note the 2 reveres are set to this pressure) and what do you know it shot the same as 80 bar, now this is with what they call the med hammer spring not the stock heavy. Had a low sd in both settings which I don’t quite understand but thats the way it goes. So my recomendation is to decide what ammo you intend to use if only 1 kind then set reg between 130-150 and find a velocity you and your projectile like and a low sd and leave it. If 2 projectiles find a setting that will suit with just wheel adjustments and leave it. Thats how im doing the 177 and my 25 oh almost forgot have nearly the same numder of shots with 80 bar as 130 and the latter might actually be a bit better?

 

[Scriv]

Yup, that's pretty much what I did. It came set for the JSB Beasts, and I tuned it for the heavy because that's what I need it to shoot. Other than that, if I need something else I grab the Red wolf, change pellet, select power setting that I need, and fire away.

 

[Smitty]

Is the Red Wolf your favorite? I was thinking of saving up for a Daystate “something“

 

[Scriv]

Is the Red Wolf your favorite? I was thinking of saving up for a Daystate “something“

I like the Red Wolf a lot. Knowing what I know from having a ghost as well, the delta wolf is currently selling for less than a Red Wolf in the USA and I'd likely buy that. Absolutely love the ease of use with the Red Wolf, and like the balance of the bull pup design more than I thought that I would. The Red Wolf looks like a rifle should in my opinion. If money were not really in consideration, or I could only have one scenario, I'd go all in on an alpha Wolf. An electronic bull pup seems like the best of both worlds. Who knows, once my wallet quits smoking I might have one. More to your point, I'd sell the Ghost before the Red Wolf.

 

[Solo1]

I like the Red Wolf a lot. Knowing what I know from having a ghost as well, the delta wolf is currently selling for less than a Red Wolf in the USA and I'd likely buy that. Absolutely love the ease of use with the Red Wolf, and like the balance of the bull pup design more than I thought that I would. The Red Wolf looks like a rifle should in my opinion. If money were not really in consideration, or I could only have one scenario, I'd go all in on an alpha Wolf. An electronic bull pup seems like the best of both worlds. Who knows, once my wallet quits smoking I might have one. More to your point, I'd sell the Ghost before the Red Wolf.

The thing about the ghost though is youll be able to fix any problems, which should be few, but an electric gun youll probably be sending back to aoa. Oh and i have a 177 red for sale pm if interested

 

[Scriv]

The thing about the ghost though is youll be able to fix any problems, which should be few, but an electric gun youll probably be sending back to aoa. Oh and i have a 177 red for sale pm if interested

I prefer mechanical guns for that reason, which probably explains why I'm waiting for an HW97 to come in. However, rather than debate the particular merits of one system over the other, I chose to compare as delivered experience. Actually, if I water it down to that the Red Wolf has been very pleasant, and the ghost trigger was atrocious, and has a leak. I figured that I'd shoot it for a while to see if anything else develops.

 

[Solo1]

I prefer mechanical guns for that reason, which probably explains why I'm waiting for an HW97 to come in. However, rather than debate the particular merits of one system over the other, I chose to compare as delivered experience. Actually, if I water it down to that the Red Wolf has been very pleasant, and the ghost trigger was atrocious, and has a leak. I figured that I'd shoot it for a while to see if anything else develops.

Well for me to look at it that way i bought 2 red wolves and had to send both back for repair in 3 wks and have 2 ghosts i only changed trigger springs and s hammer spring on 1 and they have shot very well for 3/4 yr

 

[Smitty]

Well for me to look at it that way i bought 2 red wolves and had to send both back for repair in 3 wks and have 2 ghosts i only changed trigger springs and s hammer spring on 1 and they have shot very well for 3/4 yr

I’d like to change out my Ghost’s trigger, but don’t know where to start. Is it just swapping out parts?

 

[Scriv]

I’d like to change out my Ghost’s trigger, but don’t know where to start. Is it just swapping out parts?

I only used the factory set up, and made adjustments to the point I believe that it is acceptable. Time will tell with a bit more shooting. I wish everything came set up like my 10m pistol.

 

[Solo1]

I’d like to change out my Ghost’s trigger, but don’t know where to start. Is it just swapping out parts?

If you look around for older posts there is a couple on the trigger. If you change 1 spring i have mine set at 8 oz.

You change the spg spring for a slightly lighter 1

 

[Solo1]

Is the Red Wolf your favorite? I was thinking of saving up for a Daystate “something“

If your looking daystate get a ghost daystate is the 1 actually designing them if you want a slightly lower power regular rifle( non bullpup) and in my opinion the prettyest air rifle made that you take out of the box and it just plain shoots get a revere.

 

[EDventure Outdoors]

If you look around for older posts there is a couple on the trigger. If you change 1 spring i have mine set at 8 oz.
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You change the spg spring for a slightly lighter 1

But where do you find a lighter spring? That's the $75 question.

 

[Solo1]

I bought a kit from amazon Look at the older ghost posts i posted what i got

https://www.amazon.com/Compression-Assortment-Stainless-Different-Individual/dp/B0BL7RYQ27/ref=gp_aw_ybh_a_sccl_65/134-4787475-5397863?pd_rd_w=Gfwgb&content-id=amzn1.sym.9720001e-8f8b-4ff3-adb5-e19707d971f6&pf_rd_p=9720001e-8f8b-4ff3-adb5-e19707d971f6&pf_rd_r=PXD23PH74NR8N9R4HJG7&pd_rd_wg=gVqmJ&pd_rd_r=ed2cfa15-3f88-4d77-9c4c-50449da68617&pd_rd_i=B0BL7RYQ27&psc=1

I think this is it

 

[Franklink]

@Pesty3782 shared this link as a replacement spring for improving the trigger. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07MB8V919/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

I cut coils off the trigger rod return spring (the one labeled "spg" by @Solo1 above) to get the trigger to a happy place. Replace springs or cut coils, same net effect, lighter and nicer trigger. Replacing with a lighter spring is probably the better route.

Here's some more discussion and helpful photos on the topic.

Brocock/BRK - Ghost trigger is sending me over the edge...lol

They have triggers for every discipline.. so if you hunt you could have a heavier trigger but if you target shoot They have another series the I imagine is in ounces.. could you imagine the benefits of being able to use such a convenient solution.. I think that only American air arms is using...

www.airgunnation.com

 

[Pesty3782]

The lighter spring Cole mentioned is for the first stage. After that I shortened the ”SPG” spring to my liking. @zx10wall (Derrick) has the measurements that spring needs to be. I have them written down at home and I’m not there….
Tony P

 

[Franklink]

The lighter spring Cole mentioned is for the first stage. After that I shortened the ”SPG” spring to my liking. @zx10wall (Derrick) has the measurements that spring needs to be. I have them written down at home and I’m not there….
Tony P

Thanks for the clarification. I used needlenose pliers to force that first stage spring into being shorter. And then clipped coils off the "spg" spring. To clarify, the first stage spring I'm talking about here is the one located in the trigger mechanism above the actual trigger blade.

It's been a long time since I measured the trigger pull after my changes but seems like (fuzzy memory) those two slight modifications got it down to 5 or 6 ounces.

 

[EDventure Outdoors]

The lighter spring Cole mentioned is for the first stage. After that I shortened the ”SPG” spring to my liking. @zx10wall (Derrick) has the measurements that spring needs to be. I have them written down at home and I’m not there….
Tony P

That makes sense as those dimensions seem significantly shorter than the SPG item. Hopefully when I cut the spring it is uneventful. Thanks for all the help.

 

[Solo1]

You have to adjust the trigger in the correct sequence or youll never get it.

If you look at the safety right above screw d you'll see a line where the trigger group rotates slightly around the safety so first back out screw b so it has no tension on the 1st stage spring above then you’ll have to find a balance between a and e you’ll want to screw a in to take more weight off 1st stage spring then you have to fiddle withe& f to gst things right. Its kind of a pain but i hope i stated this right so you understand.