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The Future of Springers – Are We Still in the Game?

Ajith

Ajith

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Gentlemen,

There’s a noticeable wave of innovation in the PCP space, with many new models and advancements emerging. As someone who’s always been a passionate springer enthusiast, I’m curious, are any of the major manufacturers still investing time and R&D into springer technology?

Is there a chance we’ll see a truly exciting, next-gen springer in the near future, or is all the momentum now focused solely on PCPs?

Would love to hear your thoughts on where things are headed.

Cheers from Dubai,

Ajith
 
Ajith said:
Gentlemen,

There’s a noticeable wave of innovation in the PCP space, with many new models and advancements emerging. As someone who’s always been a passionate springer enthusiast, I’m curious, are any of the major manufacturers still investing time and R&D into springer technology?

Is there a chance we’ll see a truly exciting, next-gen springer in the near future, or is all the momentum now focused solely on PCPs?

Would love to hear your thoughts on where things are headed.

Cheers from Dubai,

Ajith
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Hello @Ajith welcome to the HAM Community! And thanks for a great question. Like you, I look forward to hearing if anyone has any input on this topic 😀
 
I feel it has been a niche market for several years but it seems like more people are enjoying the pcp world and I completely understand that because I have been shooting those pretty extensively for the last few months. That being said I still love my springers and rammers which I think are simply a wonderful showcase of craftsmanship and simplicity, honestly the springers and rammers work well.
 
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Ajith said:
Gentlemen,

There’s a noticeable wave of innovation in the PCP space, with many new models and advancements emerging. As someone who’s always been a passionate springer enthusiast, I’m curious, are any of the major manufacturers still investing time and R&D into springer technology?

Is there a chance we’ll see a truly exciting, next-gen springer in the near future, or is all the momentum now focused solely on PCPs?

Would love to hear your thoughts on where things are headed.

Cheers from Dubai,

Ajith
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Ahh, this question has been asked before....I love shooting my TX200 very much (and plan to buy another springer!) but in general use my Pcps more often. My question to you would be, what would you expect/wish for that could be improved? We have the HW Rekord, Diana T06, and AA's excellent triggers. Break barrels, underlevers, side levers. Beautiful wood, laminate, or (gasp) synthetic stocks. The stalwart models soldier on with many often sadly out of stock throughout the year. Many are hand made, hand assembled and ask a pretty penny too. LH,RH, ambidextrous stocks exist. Chunky rubber buttpads, carbine or full length can be had in some models, and many are offered in .177 or .22. with a few in .20 and .25 also. I personally believe with springers, "perfection" has been obtained😆
Having said that.... I would love to see pic rails instead of dovetail on some of the higher power airguns (Diana 350!!) , and some built in MOA to compensate for any barrel droop and help with scope alignment with the longer range spring guns.
 
Danman said:
Ahh, this question has been asked before....I love shooting my TX200 very much (and plan to buy another springer!) but in general use my Pcps more often. My question to you would be, what would you expect/wish for that could be improved? We have the HW Rekord, Diana T06, and AA's excellent triggers. Break barrels, underlevers, side levers. Beautiful wood, laminate, or (gasp) synthetic stocks. The stalwart models soldier on with many often sadly out of stock throughout the year. Many are hand made, hand assembled and ask a pretty penny too. LH,RH, ambidextrous stocks exist. Chunky rubber buttpads, carbine or full length can be had in some models, and many are offered in .177 or .22. with a few in .20 and .25 also. I personally believe with springers, "perfection" has been obtained😆
Having said that.... I would love to see pic rails instead of dovetail on some of the higher power airguns (Diane 350!!) , and some built in MOA to compensate for any barrel droop and help with scope alignment with the longer range spring guns.
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There you go, you just said it :)

Hope the manufactures are listening !

Pic rail
MOA compensator for barrel droop
 
Welcome to HAM.

There has been some development of spring and gas piston airguns "recently." The SigAir ASP20 was a great new design that had a gas ram, improved lock up, picatinny rail, and an adjustable trigger. Sadly, Sig discontinued it to concentrate on its military contracts and pistols like the 320 and 365. I managed to find one at a decent price at an online auction.

Diana came out with a "modular" 34EMS, which has the T06 trigger, and can swap the spring for a gas ram, swap sights, swap stocks, swap barrels (to change caliber) etc., although I don't really know of all the swappable parts ever became available.

Finally, GAMO continues to refine and improve its breakbarrel repeaters. I wish they would refine and improve the rest of the gun and drop the inflated velocity claims, but it must be working for them.
 
Ajith said:
Gentlemen,

There’s a noticeable wave of innovation in the PCP space, with many new models and advancements emerging. As someone who’s always been a passionate springer enthusiast, I’m curious, are any of the major manufacturers still investing time and R&D into springer technology?

Is there a chance we’ll see a truly exciting, next-gen springer in the near future, or is all the momentum now focused solely on PCPs?

Would love to hear your thoughts on where things are headed.

Cheers from Dubai,

Ajith
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Have you ever shot an FWB300S? If only others could be made to be so smooth and recoil free., but in more powerful versions. And this is a 60 year old design.
 
jps2486 said:
Have you ever shot an FWB300S? If only others could be made to be so smooth and recoil free., but in more powerful versions. And this is a 60 year old design.
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But isn't this exactly the contradiction about springers? You can have - if you're lucky - smooth and recoil-free. But you can't have it with power, at least not much more than, say, 12 Ft/Lbs of power.
 
hameditor said:
But isn't this exactly the contradiction about springers? You can have - if you're lucky - smooth and recoil-free. But you can't have it with power, at least not much more than, say, 12 Ft/Lbs of power.
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I'd agree 100% 😅 I have shot the gamut of .177 Springers for power, bottom to top.
-500fps slavia (crosman 7.9gr) tuned and untuned...tuned it was an absolute dream to shoot.
-13fpe TX200....surprisingly a beast on the bench even at 10+ lbs with an excellent stock. If I'm not holding it right, (yup its a little hold sensitive), it'll twist outta my grip and spray fliers. About as powerful as I'd want in a springer.
-19fpe Diana 350 Magnum, scope killing, mount sliding, iron sight screw-removing beast. Why the 350 has a dovetail is beyond me! Accurate once you have it down pat but man does it kick. It becomes down right unpleasant long before I normally throw in the towel.
 
hameditor said:
But isn't this exactly the contradiction about springers? You can have - if you're lucky - smooth and recoil-free. But you can't have it with power, at least not much more than, say, 12 Ft/Lbs of power.
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That's true as I have found out with my recent excursion into the springer realm. For years, I've shot an FWB300S and found it wonderfully accurate. Then I bought a HW95, TX200 and HW35E. The 95 and 200 were shooting around 15-16 fpe and pretty twangy and snappy. I've tuned them both down to 12 fpe and they really shine there. The 35, of course, comes set at 12 fpe and shoots well right out of the box. At one time, I bought a RWS 52. Despite its weight, it was a bear. The recoil was a killer. That one soon was sold. So, methinks, the design of a springer shooting near 20 fpe will have to start on a clean sheet of paper, but I don't see any manufacturer spending a lot of R&D money to do that.
 
hameditor said:
But isn't this exactly the contradiction about springers? You can have - if you're lucky - smooth and recoil-free. But you can't have it with power, at least not much more than, say, 12 Ft/Lbs of power.
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You forgot about the Diana 54. Springers have been around a very very long time. It's true that the PCP has been around longer but it kind of faded until recently. The Springer is a simple to use airgun. All you need is the rifle/pistol and some pellets and you're good for a lot of fun. It does take more skill to shoot accurately but that's the draw for some of us. If there's no challenge it gets boring. Springers are much more back yard friendly than a PCP or even a multi pump and CO2.
 
I think springers are great in concept and the high quality ones are excellent and appreciated. The question for me was; can I have power and accuracy at the same time and the answer was no. As an OG I can't brace properly to shoot them accurately and there was no other point to owning them. PCP's are powerful and accurate, but unsatisfying to shoot in some respects. I know people can shoot springers accurately, but if you can't, then it's pointless. Life is always a compromise.
 
kcender said:
I think springers are great in concept and the high quality ones are excellent and appreciated. The question for me was; can I have power and accuracy at the same time and the answer was no. As an OG I can't brace properly to shoot them accurately and there was no other point to owning them. PCP's are powerful and accurate, but unsatisfying to shoot in some respects. I know people can shoot springers accurately, but if you can't, then it's pointless. Life is always a compromise.
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That's true, it was a learning curve, but now I feel what I'm doing and it's much easier with the springers. And they each seam to have a different feel and hold we need for accuracy.
 
Jaabaa said:
That's true, it was a learning curve, but now I feel what I'm doing and it's much easier with the springers. And they each seam to have a different feel and hold we need for accuracy.
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I would never disagree with you Jaabas; you are correct of course. I'm assuming you have some experience with pcp, which I think you do. Much respect my friend.
 

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