Others Sub-MOA Barrels

[Peskådot671]

So whose gonna buy it?????

I had a moment and was thinking of transferring some funds into the checking account. I already have an EVOL 30 but do I really need another one just to shoot slugs? I don't even shoot that far. All these thoughts racing through my mind. The shroudless barrel look is holding me back. I guess I'm trying to find an excuse NOT to buy it lol.

 

[Smok3y]

I had a moment and was thinking of transferring some funds into the checking account. I already have an EVOL 30 but do I really need another one just to shoot slugs? I don't even shoot that far. All these thoughts racing through my mind. The shroudless barrel look is holding me back. I guess I'm trying to find an excuse NOT to buy it lol.

Do you think that one is for slugs, being a standard EVOL? I thought they were going to make the slug shooters on the HPS platform.

I don’t like the look of the tapered barrel getting so skinny. That is definitely holding me back.

 

[Woogie_man]

There were some that were made that were supposed to shoot slugs.... but the people that got them claimed other wise. Everything points to the rifles shooting pellets only. Though you may get lucky and get one that shoots slugs.

 

[Pumacarl]

There were some that were made that were supposed to shoot slugs.... but the people that got them claimed other wise. Everything points to the rifles shooting pellets only. Though you may get lucky and get one that shoots slugs.

For these prices and wait times, we need luck now too? This behavior is getting old. I'm sidelining any future purchase until there is more open,and timely, communication, and a stable output of product. If that isn't going to happen, then niether is a purchase, and really, why should it?

 

[Woogie_man]

That is what I have read..... it could be totally wrong. But honestly if you have waited this long, I would wait until the new HPS30 comes out and get that. Those will have the MOA barrel that will shoot slugs.

 

[Peskådot671]

Do you think that one is for slugs, being a standard EVOL? I thought they were going to make the slug shooters on the HPS platform.

I don’t like the look of the tapered barrel getting so skinny. That is definitely holding me back.

I was assuming it was a slug barrel but I could be wrong. I guess every fluted Sub-MOA barrel I've been seeing is set up for slugs.

 

[Scriv]

Seems a simple matter to call AoA, and ask the pertinent question. They have been great about removing any doubt when I have called.

 

[Slugslinger]

I was assuming it was a slug barrel but I could be wrong. I guess every fluted Sub-MOA barrel I've been seeing is set up for slugs.

The ad doesn't say what kind of barrel or twist rate this 21in. Evol has. And the fluted barrels can be either a slug "or" a pellet barrel

 

[Pumacarl]

Seems a simple matter to call AoA, and ask the pertinent question. They have been great about removing any doubt when I have called.

Well that is just great isn't it? Let's just all call and ask the same questions and tie up their phones instead of ONE person at a keyboard typing in the stuff that every airgunner wants to know, and asks, on that phone call! Does that really make any sense to any one? Their descriptions are lacking, to put it kindly, lazy, if not.

 

[CTAirgunner]

I think there is some confusion here.

The rifles woogie is talking about in post #123 were the Evol HPS that was produced like 5 years ago (I believe), they had a very specific barrel, that shot ONE type of slug well that nielsen no longer produces. I owned one of these rifles and it has absolutely zero correlation with the "new" rifles.

Back when I reviewed Toms personal HPS rifle that Woogie also had after me, that rifle had the new dwell time adjustment, external adjustable reg, new balanced valve, and cocking system that was it. From what I was told there would be a line of HPS rifles sold/shipped out that had old style barrels on them to get rid of inventory, not a bad thing, that rifle was very accurate, consistent , and efficient once I tuned it for 44.75s and it came in shooting hot at 110 fpe with 56 zans.

This new rifle appears to be all of what I and Woogie had with the exception of the balanced valve BUT the addition of a Sub MOA barrel. However it does not give any info on the barrel specs, and this is where I agree with @Pumacarl , at the cost of these rifles, and the way airguns are going, barrel specs should be almost mandatory when producing an ad or write up for a rifle. To not include that info in the specs of the rifle in plain sight is pretty lazy.

In powder burners , you choose a round you want to fire, then build a rifle around it. The days of buying airguns and buying 40 different ammos to come up with something that is "Just ok" should be over.

 

[Scriv]

Well that is just great isn't it? Let's just all call and ask the same questions and tie up their phones instead of ONE person at a keyboard typing in the stuff that every airgunner wants to know, and asks, on that phone call! Does that really make any sense to any one? Their descriptions are lacking, to put it kindly, lazy, if not.

In the instance of the pre owned Evol .22 that I bought their ad was incorrect. It was listed as a slug gun. From the photo I noticed what I thought were discrepancies, so I called. I was fortunate to reach the salesman who sold the rifle new, and then took it in on trade. It was not a slug gun, so I bought it. Shoots MRDs wonderfully. My point being, if you are truly interested in something you have to chase down the information that you seek. Should it be this way? No, but unfortunately that is the world that we live in these days. Most product information is written by the manufacturer, and parroted by the retailer.

 

[Woogie_man]

I think there is some confusion here.

The rifles woogie is talking about in post #123 were the Evol HPS that was produced like 5 years ago (I believe), they had a very specific barrel, that shot ONE type of slug well that nielsen no longer produces. I owned one of these rifles and it has absolutely zero correlation with the "new" rifles.

Back when I reviewed Toms personal HPS rifle that Woogie also had after me, that rifle had the new dwell time adjustment, external adjustable reg, new balanced valve, and cocking system that was it. From what I was told there would be a line of HPS rifles sold/shipped out that had old style barrels on them to get rid of inventory, not a bad thing, that rifle was very accurate, consistent , and efficient once I tuned it for 44.75s and it came in shooting hot at 110 fpe with 56 zans.

This new rifle appears to be all of what I and Woogie had with the exception of the balanced valve BUT the addition of a Sub MOA barrel. However it does not give any info on the barrel specs, and this is where I agree with @Pumacarl , at the cost of these rifles, and the way airguns are going, barrel specs should be almost mandatory when producing an ad or write up for a rifle. To not include that info in the specs of the rifle in plain sight is pretty lazy.

In powder burners , you choose a round you want to fire, then build a rifle around it. The days of buying airguns and buying 40 different ammos to come up with something that is "Just ok" should be over.

Nailed it.

 

[Smok3y]

Just dropped the price $600 more!
Now $2195

Ha! Price jumped back up $500 to $,2695.

Never seen prices move like this at AOA. Usually rock solid for months.

 

[Pumacarl]

In the instance of the pre owned Evol .22 that I bought their ad was incorrect. It was listed as a slug gun. From the photo I noticed what I thought were discrepancies, so I called. I was fortunate to reach the salesman who sold the rifle new, and then took it in on trade. It was not a slug gun, so I bought it. Shoots MRDs wonderfully. My point being, if you are truly interested in something you have to chase down the information that you seek. Should it be this way? No, but unfortunately that is the world that we live in these days. Most product information is written by the manufacturer, and parroted by the retailer.

They've got the time at some point to correct or enhance their description to answer the questions that they know that they get on the phone. You can look for one, but there really is no excuse, especially considering the price of these guns. We are not talking Walmart springers here.

 

[Scriv]

They've got the time at some point to correct or enhance their description to answer the questions that they know that they get on the phone. You can look for one, but there really is no excuse, especially considering the price of these guns. We are not talking Walmart springers here.

In other words, we agree. Cool.

 

[Pumacarl]

Yeah, I guess we agree, and that's cool, but you know, it would still be cool if we didn't. People don't always agree, and can have very different opinions and attitudes and still be civil and accept that people just aren't going to see things their way all of the time. There has been way too much going along to get along in the world the last couple of decades and when people eventually realize this, stop, and say "now wait a minute," things are really a mess. All of the forums lately have been a little boring, to the point that people don't even actually discuss anything in the open. That's sad. Not only that, but nobody learns anything either, the real reason for the forums in the first place. {Here is where I now put "JMO" because these days we have to inform eveyone that we still have those(opinions), and this is just mine, so take it easy. Pathetic.}

 

[Scriv]

And I agree with that as well. I suspect that we are of the same generation, and believe in doing things the best we can in regards to a vocation. Few have this credo these days, it's more about " good enough". I had children late in life, and my offspring are millennials. Their employers are amazed at their work ethic. It's not the generations fault, it's the fault of whom set the expectation for them.

 

[Solo1]

And I agree with that as well. I suspect that we are of the same generation, and believe in doing things the best we can in regards to a vocation. Few have this credo these days, it's more about " good enough". I had children late in life, and my offspring are millennials. Their employers are amazed at their work ethic. It's not the generations fault, it's the fault of who set the expectation for them.

Well alot of that is because of being pc ( political correct) which in my mind and mind you im 68, is not right. I never abused my daughter but buy the same token she knew i wasn’t afraid to put her over my knee if i thought she was bad! But now oh boy strike a child oh no let the little shits run all over and do as they please and the older generation is scared too. I had to go to the courthouse the other day the same house i carried a 22 revolver into to get a hunting permit when i was 21 but this time i had to go theu a metal detector and leave my pocket knife there till i left! Its just rampant fear of everything!

 

[American Air Arms]

I can give some details.

The gun is essentially the replacement for the original TAC30. We are keeping the TAC30 in the line-up but there are some changes which are significant.

1) The SUB-MOA barrel is 21" 1:26 and what we are calling the medium taper. It it a new 5 groove design and is a magnitude better than the original multi-piece tensioned TJ barrels. Not only is the diametrical consistency near perfect, the sizing is extremely well controlled. Also, the harmonics and rigidity of the new barrel is far better than the tensioned system for only a few ounces more.

These barrels are primarily designed for pellets but the 1:26 will shoot pellet weight slugs, like the NSA, Howler, and RMR hybrid very well.

I realize some will miss the shrouded barrels but do not worry we will offer an ultra-light tensioned SUB-MOA as an option for those who require a shorter lighter hunting setup.

2) Features our new externally adjustable regulator design. This system adds only one additional o-ring and keeps the same regulator which is known for its extremely fast refresh and consistency. This new system will be on all future EVOLs. T

3) These are not balance valve guns. They use the same very simple, efficient and robust original valve system with a new hammer and spring that reduces cocking effort. Cocking effort falls between the original EVOL and the new HPS design. This hammer and spring system will produce up to 100 fpe with 66 gn pellets.

The hammer is internally adjustable by removing the receiver from the chassis or removing the buffer tube and adjusting from the rear. Another improvement is the use a clicking type adjuster that will stay where it is set without requiring a lock screw.

The guns are factory tuned for 930 fps with the JTS 45 grain and the same tune will give 100 fpe with the 66 gn. The gun can make more power but would require the hammer and spring to change out to the original EVOL to go past 100 fps with the 66gn.

4) The SUB-MOA medium taper barrel is threaded for our new line of HPS (high performance system) moderators. These moderators are quieter and are a very space efficient reflex design that are designed around the EVOL's performance parameters and are designed to have perfect contricity when mated to the EVOL's SUB-MOA barrel. For those who have to have a different moderator we offer a 1/2-20 adapter.


This version is a superbly accurate and powerful 30 cal. for those who value simplicity, robustness, grab and go reliability, and precision.

If you are looking for power up to 150+ fpe and whish the ultimate tunability when maintaining EVOL robustness; the HPS is for you.

 

[AOA ROB]

Thank you Tom.

AOA is offering these few rifles at a substantial savings before the HPS guns come on line full beans. The price on these will go up in a month or so. Sorry about the confusion HAM.

Rob CEO. AOA.