Realistic Expectations

[Soren Drost]

Is the blackwolf only a slug gun and if so why is it not listed that way?

My BlackWolf .177 HP will shoot pellets just fine in the 28” slug barrel

 

[Pumacarl]

Hey, it took me too long to type the responses that I did, but there seems to be a lot more going on here than I originally thought. I'm bowing out of this, you guys have points to work out work each other. Good luck!

 

[Billm]

My BlackWolf .177 HP will shoot pellets just fine in the 28” slug barrel

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There’s no doubt that you and your rifle can shoot excellent groups. But, the average shooter doesn’t have a relationship with Daystate/BRK or AOA etc.. I’m absolutely not casting dispersions on you or your groups. But, aren’t you a barrel tester for DAYSTATE/BRK?

 

[Chief55]

Accuracy is in the eye of the beholder. Some think 1.5 inches at 50 yards is good some 1 inch, others .5inch, .25 inch and so on. It boils down to your own experience and what you have repeatedly seen with your own eyes. I think hunters often tend to be a bit more liberal than dedicated target shooters. I see this close enough for a kill shot or that's a dead deer all the time and I think, wow thats not so great, I would not want to settle for that to myself. Why settle for the bare minimum when you could do so much better with just a little work and shooting is fun. Yes, ammo is expensive but even with PBs you have to try a lot of different ammo to find the right weight and speed bullet for your twist rate if you want really great results. Now days people want that easy button.

 

[Chief55]

Personally, I get a really big kick out of getting a $500-$700 gun and making it shoot like a $2000 gun. Taking a $2000 gun and making it shoot like a $350 gun would just not flip my switch.

 

[Soren Drost]

There’s no doubt that you and your rifle can shoot excellent groups. But, the average shooter doesn’t have a relationship with Daystate/BRK or AOA etc.. I’m absolutely not casting dispersions on you or your groups. But, aren’t you a barrel tester for DAYSTATE/BRK?

I am part of Daystate / BRK ASP and ART and I am the one who have been testing the .177 slug barrels in the Ghost, Delta, Alpha and Red Wolf

My BlackWolf came with the one 28” slug barrel fitted and thereby nothing special selected or pre tested at the factory - My rifle is just like ordered like everyone else would receive

 

[Billm]

I am part of Daystate / BRK ASP and ART and I am the one who have been testing the .177 slug barrels in the Ghost, Delta, Alpha and Red Wolf

My BlackWolf came with the one 28” slug barrel fitted and thereby nothing special selected or pre tested at the factory - My rifle is just like ordered like everyone else would receive

BRK/Daystate would have to be very naive, marketing wise to send a random gun to someone as talented as you that has very good exposure among shooters. I’m not a Daystate/BRK hater, I really enjoy their products.

 

[Solo1]

I will end my comments in this thread with this. While there is no written guarantee of accuracy written anywhere i know of by Daystate a 22 blackwolf in my mind should shoot at least as well as a 22 revere or this premiere manufacturer of airguns is not doing its job anymore.

 

[Danman]

Im on the fence on this one big time.
Having owned only low powered & low dollar springers with $40 scopes/open sights for 20+ years I got back into airgunning with an AirArms S510 .22, my first Pcp and quite the investment. That sucker shot all 3 JSB pellets I bought (after research what pellets to shoot) 15.89 Hades, 18.13, and 25.39 Mrds; pellet touching pellet, touching pellet.
Then i went crazy and bought Crosmans and H&Ns, slugs, non lead ammo, etc....and groups opened up....considerably.
2 years later after TONS of research I bought my .22 HP Ghost and some Mrds and shot my first group, bare stock, 50Y...pellet touching pellet, touching pellet, with one flier lol.
Had i started with 13gr pellets in the Ghost, or 21gr H&N pellets in the S510 i would have been sorely disappointed with those first groups, but that would be on me.
If you do the research and shoot ammo the gun is designed to shoot at the correct speeds on the factory tune I'd expect pretty tight groups. Both of those guns would have gone back in a hurry if they couldn't.
I gaurantee you (I) could win competitions, after sight in with either of my 2 pcps right outta the box with the correct pellet/speed.
Slugs?....yeah thats a different game for sure!
Both of my pcps lost accuracy overtime as many do, and it is your job to figure out what's changed (those variables) to get em back to shooting Aces.
@Franklink....7 barrels....wow you must have really loved that gun!
Planning to buy a Brk slug barrel for my Ghost, soon. If it can't shoot any manufactured slug, at any speed, at any reg pressure (even after a full polish)..... Its going back for sure! Thats why i'm willing to spend $800-900 on it and not $200 on a blank, machining it to fit, and praying it will shoot well.

 

[Franklink]

I will end my comments in this thread with this. While there is no written guarantee of accuracy written anywhere i know of by Daystate a 22 blackwolf in my mind should shoot at least as well as a 22 revere or this premiere manufacturer of airguns is not doing its job anymore.

A Revere is a 30fpe gun in. 22. That makes it a 18grain pellet shooter.

A Blackwolf HiLite in .22 is a nearly 90fpe gun.

Your comment is like saying that you're gonna be mad if your apples don't taste like oranges.

 

[pan60]

A Revere is a 30fpe gun in. 22. That makes it a 18grain pellet shooter.

A Blackwolf HiLite in .22 is a nearly 90fpe gun.

Your comment is like saying that you're gonna be mad if your apples don't taste like oranges.

but you would expect it to be shoot at least as good?

 

[Franklink]

but you would expect it to be shoot at least as good?

That's pretty broad.

Shoot what as good?
What distance are we talking?
Is air consumption and noise and projectile cost a concern?
Are we interested in which one shoots a variety of projectiles better?
Are we using the ability to shoot slugs as a criteria for shooting good?
Etc.

They're just two very different beasts.

If I wanted a 50-60 yard pleasant experience with minimal tinkering and tuning and adjusting required....that's the Revere and 18 grain pellets.

If I wanted a 100 yard or more shooter with the possibility of shooting slugs and/or much greater adjustability and power potential and the ability easily attach accessories (and on and on)....Blackwolf.

Again, two very different beasts.

 

[FL22]

I think hunters often tend to be a bit more liberal than dedicated target shooters. I see this close enough for a kill shot or that's a dead deer all the time and I think, wow that not so great, I would not want to settle for that to myself.

I don’t subscribe to the “minute of animal” mentality either.

I target shoot all the time to make sure that my Airgun(s) is/are working properly and my skills are up to task.

 

[Solo1]

That's pretty broad.

Shoot what as good?
What distance are we talking?
Is air consumption and noise and projectile cost a concern?
Are we interested in which one shoots a variety of projectiles better?
Are we using the ability to shoot slugs as a criteria for shooting good?
Etc.

They're just two very different beasts.

If I wanted a 50-60 yard pleasant experience with minimal tinkering and tuning and adjusting required....that's the Revere and 18 grain pellets.

If I wanted a 100 yard or more shooter with the possibility of shooting slugs and/or much greater adjustability and power potential and the ability easily attach accessories (and on and on)....Blackwolf.

Again, two very different beasts.

And you haven’t been shooting the gun with its stock barrel mr apples and oranges

 

[Franklink]

And you haven’t been shooting the gun with its stock barrel mr apples and oranges

Not yet. Been in the plans since day 1. Being even longer than what I've been shooting, it'll only exacerbate the too much oomph issues.

When I get to the stock barrel, I'll shoot it with and without the plenum reducer and transfer port restrictor. Based on the 4000 or so round I've shot with the platform so far, I suspect it'll shoot pellets pretty decent with those restricting devices in place, but will likely be a slug-only shooter once I pull them.

 

[EdinGa]

Being a handloader has definitely given me a better understanding of what I need in an airgun. It has eliminated a lot of frustration and saved me money.

 

[Centercut]

Honestly I’m not so sure about not getting quality barrels in DS right off the bat. IMHO and my experience, almost everyone I got was as a minimum “very good”, and some were “excellent”. Who knows, maybe I have low standards?

My first DS in 2017 or 2018, a .22 Renegade. Lights out with 18 grain JSB. One of the most accurate guns I’ve ever owned.

Second a DS Red Wolf in .22 I won at EBR in 2019 for winning Sportsman main event with an old .30 Bobcat. That Red Wolf was also a laser with RDMs until JSB, in their infinite wisdom, changed the geometry of the pellets. That factory stock gun shot the high overall score at RMAC 2021, but it was unfortunately in the first qual round. Sold to Tony P in AZ recently, he shoots pellets and slugs from it.

Third is a .30 Delta Wolf I got right when they first came out, I think 2021. Always a great accurate gun with .30 JSB 50.1 at 865 fps. Competitive at EFT and BR at the highest level. Still have that gun.

I bought a .25 Red Wolf a month or so prior to EBR 2023 and came in 3rd Pro with it and JSB King Heavy 34 grain pellets. Still have that gun. It was about as stock as possible at that EBR.

Got a .30 Black Wolf chassis this past Summer. It shot competitively with the factory LW barrel and slightly better with the SubMOA barrel. I liked it much but gave it to someone on the Wolf Pack that will use it more than me, since I was already involved shooting Skout in competition. But that BW was very close in accuracy to my fully custom .30 Skout Epoch.

In fact, the only DS/BRK I wasn’t thrilled with was one of the first .25 Ghost that came to the USA. It had a “meh” barrel and I sold it after a couple of months. Since that time I’ve shot a few .25 Ghost, and they were all pretty darn accurate.

Maybe I’ve just been lucky

 

[FL22]

@Franklink I feel that a concession or at the very least an acknowledgment must be made for the fact that some manufacturers and dealers sponsor influencers. That could be anyone not just a prominent social media type, grass roots is also effective to showcase how great, how accurate and just how awesome
____fill in the blank____ Airgun is.

There are probably some manufacturer(s) or dealer(s) that do not feed the hype and are collateral damage, but I’m not going to lose any sleep over what is to me a problem that the “The Industry” manufacturers, distributors and dealers marketing strategies created for itself.

The rest of what you are saying I agree with.

 

[Franklink]

@Franklink I feel that a concession or at the very least an acknowledgment must be made for the fact that some manufacturers and dealers sponsor influencers. That could be anyone not just a prominent social media type, grass roots is also effective to showcase how great, how accurate and just how awesome
____fill in the blank____ Airgun is.

There are probably some manufacturer(s) or dealer(s) that do not feed the hype and are collateral damage, but I’m not going to lose any sleep over what is to me a problem that the “The Industry” manufacturers, distributors and dealers marketing strategies created for itself.

The rest of what you are saying I agree with.

Going all the way back to when I first joined the forums, I've been transparent in all my postings, whether its a personally purchased gun, or if it's a gun supplied by a manufacturer. If Im shooting a non OEM barrel or configuration, you know that.

That's not typical influencer behavior.

I'm at a unique situation of: being capable of composing my thoughts "on paper", having the opportunity to shoot long range off my back porch, having a tendency to be meticulous, enjoying airguns immensely (even the troubleshooting), and last but not least, being willing to share all of that.

I don't do the reviews to gain "followers" or notoriety.

"Like, share, subscribe," isn't something you'll hear or see me say.

 

[FL22]

Going all the way back to when I first joined the forums, I've been transparent in all my postings, whether its a personally purchased gun, or if it's a gun supplied by a manufacturer. If Im shooting a non OEM barrel or configuration, you know that.

That's not typical influencer behavior.

I'm at a unique situation of: being capable of composing my thoughts "on paper", having the opportunity to shoot long range off my back porch, having a tendency to be meticulous, enjoying airguns immensely (even the troubleshooting), and last but not least, being willing to share all of that.

I don't do the reviews to gain "followers" or notoriety.

"Like, share, subscribe," isn't something you'll hear or see me say.

I think that you should reread my post. It in no way was it worded as an accusation towards you or anyone specific.

However I realize that this thread is carrying some heated undercurrent.

My comment is simply pointing out that in my opinion some industry compensated influencers add to the unrealistic expectations.

But I will say that your reaction to it is interesting, perhaps you should take a step back and look at the entire thread.