- Original poster
- #121
Some context to add here.If it makes you feel any better: that reply was written yesterday as more of a tongue in cheek post and I decided not to finish or post it. I decided that it might not be seen as being facetious, unless I added some more context. Then I responded to Danman today and didn’t realize it was still there. I really didn’t want to rekindle this discussion, as in my mind it’s not really progressing. In my case I just hope to see more real world results from purchasers. Reports from the field so to speak.
For me the jury is out on the Blackwolf. I want to purchase a dedicated 100yd benchrest rifle and it may be the BW is the one, I haven’t decided yet. That’s the main reason I care. I’ve read your BW thread on AGN and there are several posts in the thread by owners that are less than Stellar. Including one who stated that his $450 Barra 250z is more accurate than his Blackwolf. Cave dweller made a point to post on here that the Blackwolf is capable of 1.5” or better groups at 55yds. I would certainly hope it is, my $279 non-adjustable Alpha with a 12” barrel is capable of that. There is one UK YouTuber that has struggled to get his BW to shoot well. Several Blackwolf owners in the UK Facebook groups have complained about the accuracy. There are also a lot of BW reviews that are very complimentary and a lot of those shooters didn’t purchase their rifles. You keep implying that everyone expects too much from an out of the box multi-thousand dollar air rifle. I don’t think that it is the case, at least not in my case. I expect it to perform better out of the box than a less expensive rifle and be tuneable to a higher level of accuracy. In simple terms I would expect it to be inherently more accurate than a lesser rifle. Whether or not I can shoot it to it’s potential accuracy is really irrelevant. I can work on skills, I enjoy the discussion, if anything I say is offensive, it’s not meant to be and will refrain if anyone is offended or mad.
Tony Belas stated on video at the British Shooting Show that the thing that differentiates Daystate from Chinese, Czech and Turkish airgun manufactures is not price, but that their rifles are hand built and “SUPERBLY ACCURATE”.
At the very least I would expect the 5x5 100yd groups from a $4000 rifle to have a substantially lower average group size than those from a $2000 rifle from the same manufacturer when setup and shot by an expert tuner.
You’re also right that the barrels are crucial to the accuracy, they’re also usually turned in Swiss CNC Centers.
I don't remember seeing Cavedwellers comments about 1.5" @ 55, but I can almost guarantee he's talking about a 19fpe .177, and probably from field target position, where he's supporting the gun to shoot it. Simply cuz that's the type of shooting he typically does.
As for "lot of BW reviews that are very complimentary and a lot of those shooters didn’t purchase their rifles." Feels like a dig.
This link will take you to my report of the OEM BW. Blackwolf - Blackwolf and Sub-MOA Barrels Review
I didn't feel it was "very complimentary." As I concluded in that post, the first shooting session with it in OEM form for me were promising, but not of the level to warrant me gushing over them.