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JSB .22/20.83 ballistic coefficient and first impressions

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Had a few hrs this morning to collect some data on the JSB .22/20.83, aka the “JSB Jumbo Exact Light.” I’m thinking that I’ll just refer to them as “Lights” b/c I can’t think of any other JSB that uses that nomenclature (off the top of my head).


Ballistic Coefficient
Test bed is this BRK Ghost.
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Reg pressure of 150 b/c it’s set up for .22 Monster Grands and I didn’t feel like lowering the reg pressure for this short test of the Lights. Power wheel on MIN. Barrel is an OEM Ghost barrel. 5 groove polygonal rifling in a 1:30 twist rate. Choked and 23inches long.




First order of business was to gather some speeds at the muzzle. 12 shots over the chrono and those 12 are in column A in the screen grab of the spread sheet I’ll share here in a second. Average was 958-959fps, for about 42.5fpe. I had a larger extreme spread for the muzzle speeds than I’d like to see, likely an artifact of having a reg pressure too high for the hammer strike and this particular pellet. Also hotter than I wanted to test them, but didn’t want to drop the reg pressure so forged ahead at this muzzle speed.



Moved a pellet trap to 29 yards and took 3 shots to see where pellets were hitting, relative to my scope zero for the Grands. That was to prevent shooting my chronograph. Impact point slightly high and slightly left.

Set out the chrono like this……the two “groups” are the 3 poi verification shots, and the 10 shots than went over the chrono right below that. Aim point for the 10 over the chrono was the 8. Didn’t measure, but that 10 shot group is probably about 3/8.”

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Then moved the trap to 90 yards. Right next to the steel paddles so I could find poi to help line shots up over the chrono eyes. Took a total of 20 shots, intentionally placing them about 2 inches wide. In the past I’ve had trouble getting shots to line up over the chrono eyes at longer range so took enough shots to make sure that I got a good representation of retained speed at 90 yards. The chrono captured 18/20.
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The following spread sheet contains the data from those three chronograph distances.

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Column A = all shots at the muzzle
Column B = shots at the muzzle but outliers removed (two lows and one high)
Column D = all shots at 28 yards (just in front of the 29yard trap, 29yards verified with laser rangefinder)
Column F = all shots at 90 yards (90 yards verified with laser rangefinder)
Column G = shots at 90 yards but outliers removed (two lows and one high)
Column H = shots at 90 yards with further outliers removed, essentially the median speed of 90 yard shots

Line 20 = average fps of that column
Line 21 = extreme spread of that column
Line 22 = standard deviation of that column
Line 23 = fpe of the average speed of that column
Line 25 = GA BC of that column (ie BC at 30 yards and BC at 90 yards, differences being how many outliers were excluded) BC calculator used is the “EasyBC” app, and the speed at two distances function.


EBR Card
After that I decided I still had time to shoot one EBR card at 100 yards. Top left bull was used for 5 sighters, then shot the next 25 shots as “scored” shots, 5 at each bull and shot in the order of the numbers I wrote on the cardboard backer. Included the backer b/c it’s slightly easier to see the hits than the peach colored paper that ripped. Fresh backer this morning so it has the two 30 yard groups on it, as well as the 20 shots at 90 yards for fps gathering.
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3/5 100 yard groups are just a hair bigger than MOA.

The wind picked up a bit towards the end of the 3rd group. Wind was from 8 oclock and quartering out, pushing pellets right and lifting them, as such a wind typically does.

Score was about a 229, depending on plugging.





Impressions and opinions….

I first started getting excited during that 10 shot group at 29 yards. Yes it’s only a short distance, but it’s also a pretty tight group.

Excitement built during the 20 shots at 90 yards. Pellets were going where I wanted them to, as I intentionally scattered them across an area about 2 inches wide to make sure I’d catch enough with the chrono to be useful. There were a couple of those 20 shots that went right into the previous pellet hole that I was aiming for.

I was also pretty dang impressed with how they shot during the card at 100 yards. The wind did lift and push them a bit more than I think it would have in a similar wind if I was using a really good batch of .22/25.4 Monster RDs, but they seem leaps and bounds better than the .22/18.13 at resisting the wind.

42fpe is nothing to sniff at. I was surprised they did so well so fast. I’ve found the 18.1s don’t retain their speed as well. Some guns will shoot an 18.1 really fast, but by 100 yards it doesn’t matter b/c they’ve stripped off a comparable % of their initial speed to where you might as well shoot them at a reasonable 890-920. BUT, the Lights seem to do pretty good at this higher speed.

Ballistic coefficient….couple things here. This is from a slow twist poly barrel at high elevation (5600 feet). When I shoot these from this gun in my area I’ll use a BC of 0.05-0.052. Different barrels and lower elevation are likely not to produce a BC quite that high. A realistic range of 0.046-0.052 is probably very reasonable for the Lights. Which makes them a helluva lot better than a .22/18.13 and perhaps slightly better than a .20/15.89.

I don’t think they’ll turn into a popular option for long range pellet competitions. For anybody still hanging onto .22, they’ll likely use the .22/25.4 Monster RD. And with the new .30 AEA pellets producing BCs up north of 0.07…..I can’t help but wonder if the .22’s days as a viable long range option for pellet competitions is numbered.

The big question is whether or not these .22/20.83 Lights are as good at 890-920 as they were for me at 960 this morning. IF what my prelim data session suggests holds true for them at 890-920 also, this pellet would make a great option for many of those classic .22 PCPs in what has become sort of the midrange power level.

As @Dairyboy pointed out elsewhere, for what they are, I think JSB hurt sales by pricing them where they did. The serious competitors aren’t likely to buy piles of these to compete with. And the lovers of the .22/18.13 are likely to stick with the more economical option. The flip side of that is that this is an entirely new design, which means new dies, which means these pellets are probably at the pinnacle of their quality. (ie if all of this appeals to you, try a couple tins and if you gun likes em then STOCK up and STOCK UP BIG cuz they’re only going to go downhill in quality, and uphill in price as time goes on). And yeah that’s a bit of a jaded thought, but JSB has done a pretty good job of following that trend so…the truth hurts.

They are much more sippy of the air than this same gun pushing the Grands to the same 960ish speeds. And the report with the Lights was much quieter. That’s a bit of an obvious conclusion I suppose (42 versus almost 60 fpe).

The .22/20.83 grain JSB Monster Light does have a bit more power potential than a .22/18.13, and certainly a better BC. This pellet has my stamp of approval for anybody wanting to eke out more performance from their PCP in the 35-42fpe realm.

With the greater availability of .22 versus .20 pcps, the new .22/20.83 Light is an easier way to get similar performance as I’ve been seeing from the JSB .20/15.89. If I didn't have such a large supply of .20/15.89s, I'd be stocking up on the .22/20.83 Lights.

It’s always good to have options.
 
Very detailed write up and review on these as always thanks @Franklink! For a moment I slipped back into the zen of reading page after page of your Ghost reviews as I researched my future .22 Ghost purchase. I believe your conclusions to be correct as well as far as best usage scenario for these, I definitely plan to test them in my S510 and snag a bit more performance in the 60 to 100Y range (32fpe gun). It shoots the 18.13 lights out usually. Domed a fair size rabbit the other night @40plus yards with whatever I had in the mag @ the time as I pested birds. I realized I was shooting 15.89 Hades and got a little horrified I might only have wounded it but nope down it went with a summersault. As for my Ghost it's my high power long range beast so it will stay with the 25.89 Mrds probably, as a hunting gun to 100Y it's deadly. The S510 was accurate with Mrds as well but could only manage 775fps and dropped more @50...not ideal.
 
@Franklink - interesting test - thanks. IIRC, at one point you were experimenting with different hammer weights/ springs - can you share what was in the gun for these numbers?


Current production hammer weight (solid/non skeletonized) and 0.051" hammer spring. Essentially an OEM Ghost HP in .22.

I've gone as high as 160bar with the above and maxed out at 980fps for the 28.55gr Grands, making it about 60-61fpe.

To get the most out of the Lights, it should probably have a lower reg pressure than the 150bar that I tested them with. From all my Ghosting, I'd predict that the ES would tighten up substantially with a lower reg pressure and more hammer tension, and could still probably get them to 950-960.
 
With the increase in temperature my stock hp ghost (still at 165bar) in now flinging the 25.39 Mrds to 998fps on HW 15. Groups have opened up vs the 975 i was getting though, if I have time soon I will lower it to 150 with your recommended methods, thanks. Now the grands... they interest me for the Ghost! 💪 Also that is pretty close to the factory Max FPE for the 👻.
 
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This is great work! With the growing trend of pushing pellets into the 950s, a BC determination in this range would be invaluable.

Any idea how your results correlate with the FX and Lab Radar dopplers?

Hey Tom.
Bobby C (@Arzrover) and I have collaborated quite a bit on BC collections, him using a LabRadar and me using this speed at various distances method. Most of those experiments and comparisons have been for our shared interest of sub20 pellets and barrels (traditional field target), but also quite a bit on our shared interest of the .20 caliber, including the .20/18.9gr NSA slugs there. Our findings using the two methods usually agree, or are very similar. The Labradar is of course the much easier way to do it.

As for the trend of pushing pellets into the 950-960 realm...yes, it seems that there are a handful of outliers that deliver superb accuracy in that higher-than-normal speed window. In my experience, the .22/25.4 Monster RD, the .22/28.55 Grand, and now this .22/20.83 Light are three that seem to be really good at what many would think of as too fast for pellets.

The pellets @ 950+ speeds seems to only work with slow twist rate barrels. I've had poor results with pellets this fast in standard 1:17.7 in multiple barrels. The 1:32 RTI barrel refitted to my Veteran, and the 1:30 Ghost barrel are where I'm finding 950-960fps joy. Both barrels are polygon rifled, 5 grooves for th Ghost and 6 grooves for the RTI. Both LWs.

Always fun to experiment and learn.
 
Yeah, I would agree with the statement on twist slower twist rates allowing to push the forward speed some.

My interest is primarily in 30 cal at the moment; with newer gun designs, velocities can now be pushed into what was previously the "no go" region in terms of conventional thought and experience with pellets.

Thanks for the quality analysis as always!
 
Anybody else tried the .22/20.83 in the last year since I posted this?
Started shooting them from my Vet II after a brief dalliance with slugs. Tested a few other pellets too, but the ML were clearly best of breed.

My tested BC was a bit less than yours (~0.045, I think), not surprising given 4,000+ feet difference in elevation. Only other .22 pellet I've BC tested is the MRD, but anecdotally, quickly noticed they're pushed much less by a light to moderate winds than JSB 15.9 or 18.1. BC testing (and my experience) shows MRD to be better, but would say the ML are closer to those than the 15.9 or 18.1.

Speaking of the devil (MRD)... ML have proven to be much more consistent. Yes, I knocked on wood after typing that. Swear it's like JSB intentionally sabotaged MRD with all the unofficial and official variants, poor quality & general weirdness associated with that product segment. Let's hope it doesn't bleed over to ML.
Very few flyers with ML, & even those aren't nearly as bad. No "what the hell was that" moments, which seemed to happen about 1 or 2 of every 10 shots last I was shooting MRD.
Have what I think are three different lots of ML. Assumption based on three different purchase dates from Trenier, the last two times after it had been out of stock. No way to know for sure, as there's no lot number anywhere on the packaging. For giggles, dusted off the PelletGage & ran about 50 from each purchase- extremely consistent on head size. Weighed the same 50 from each purchase on a very good, professionally calibrated scale. Weights were not as consistent as head size, but still pretty good overall. Did have a handful, maybe a half dozen, of the 150 pellet total that were several tenths of a grain lighter than the majority. Jibes pretty well with the few times experiencing what I considered to be flyers, which were all high and occurred on shots well past 50 yards.

I'm a fan.
 
Anybody else tried the .22/20.83 in the last year since I posted this?
I have tried them with my S510, Contour and Sniper. Only the S510 is regulated and it did group the M-lights better than any other pellets I’ve tried.

However to me the minuscule difference is not worth the cost. I did not come to that conclusion lightly but with multiple 30 shot groups.

If my results were earth shattering I would have a stockpile. JSB 18.13 meet my needs for my S510.
 
I have tried them with my S510, Contour and Sniper. Only the S510 is regulated and it did group the M-lights better than any other pellets I’ve tried.

However to me the minuscule difference is not worth the cost. I did not come to that conclusion lightly but with multiple 30 shot groups.

If my results were earth shattering I would have a stockpile. JSB 18.13 meet my needs for my S510.

If you're not shooting long range, the cheaper price of the 18.1s definitely wins over the BC benefits of the 20.83s.
 
If you're not shooting long range
That is a constantly changing term for Airguns, at least to me it seems.

Anyway, you are correct, I choose to stay within 50y with all of my Airguns except for my Taipan Veteran 2 long .25

I have 8 or 9 tins of M-lights stored, perhaps I’ll get a high powered Airgun in the future that will shoot them decently.
 
I have tried them with my S510, Contour and Sniper. Only the S510 is regulated and it did group the M-lights better than any other pellets I’ve tried.

However to me the minuscule difference is not worth the cost. I did not come to that conclusion lightly but with multiple 30 shot groups.

If my results were earth shattering I would have a stockpile. JSB 18.13 meet my needs for my S510.
All I got from the M-lights was more drop at distance vs the 18.13 from my S510. I reached out to 75Y last year and was glad I did as the tried and true 18gr were no worse than the lights. The Ghost with its stock internals can't shoot them slow enough, so also a no-go. Reg @150, H.W. on minimum was still 960fps! Very accurate at 30Y any further and useless. Originally, I had thought a stock HP 👻 .22 could be tuned for 25.39 and something lighter (18-20gr) with just a H.W. setting change. Not the case, you need to swap springs or dump the reg a ton.
Having said that my S510 shoots the 18.13 @880fps on max, so the lights were probably around 820fps outta it?
I'd bet the lights would do great somewhere between 880-940 fps. When I run out, I won't be buying anymore.
 
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Having made that video of the 18.13s on some long range prairie dogs last week ...I was surprised at just how much I had to hold off for them for the wind I was having. I'm used to shooting the .20/15.89s, that have a similar BC to the 20.83s (in the 0.046-0.05 range). The 18.13s (and their 0.035-0.037BC) were absolutely abysmal during that session last week. There was one shot in that video where I had to hold upwind a whole freaking 12 inches! The dog was looking right at me from 95-96 yards and I got lucky and noggin'd him on the first shot. Wild thing was that I remember guessing at hold off, thinking to myself the BC of the 18.1s absolutely sucks so I need to hold off lots more than I'm used to. So I did, and it was a lucky guess and connected.

Just one of those affirming moments for me about the 18.1s. They're dang accurate, with some very important qualifiers.....those being.... They're very accurate, WHEN THE WIND AINT BLOWING. Or, they're dang accurate BUT ONLY AT CLOSE DISTANCES WHEN THE WIND IS BLOWING.

The one I mentioned above is @ 3:50
 
.... The Ghost with its stock internals can't shoot them (18.1s) slow enough, so also a no-go. Reg @150, H.W. on minimum was still 960fps! Very accurate at 30Y any further and useless. Originally, I had thought a stock HP 👻 .22 could be tuned for 25.39 and something lighter (18-20gr) with just a H.W. setting change. Not the case, you need to swap springs or dump the reg a ton.
Having said that my S510 shoots the 18.13 @880fps on max, so the lights were probably around 820fps outta it?
I'd bet the lights would do great somewhere between 880-940 fps. When I run out, I won't be buying anymore.

I bet we could find a happy medium.

Look at this again....
Post in thread 'BRK Ghost Review' Ghost - BRK Ghost Review

That was with a 110 bar reg pressure and the lighter spring. With MAX on the hammer it would push the 25.4s to 850 and the 18s to 990 (too fast).

If I was trying to set up a Ghost with a .22 HP barrel to be able to go from 18s to 25.4s with just the power wheel, Id start at the following....reg around 130BAR (give or take 5-10 bar either direction) and the 0.047" wire diameter hammer spring. From my two Ghosts, that should get you into the 930-940s with the MRDs on MAX, which is just about where they start to get good with the slow twist polys. And then of course somewhere less than MAX to get the 18.1s down in the 880-920 fps range.

As long as you've got the 0.047" wire hammer spring and a chronograph, it's as simple as experimenting and making notes as you go so you know what settings to replicate to get what you want.
 

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