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First thread in this area says JSB is eager for feedback.....so here it is.

Please oh please make the .22/25.4gr Monster RD great again.

Review your processes and go back to making them like you did about 4-5 yards ago. They were, for a time, the #1 choice for long range accuracy in the biggest airgun competitions that exist. Due to their currently unreliable nature, many competitors have shifted to other pellets.

The potential is there, we all enjoyed it for awhile. Just undo the non-improvements and we'll all start buying them in large batches again.
 
Franklink said:
First thread in this area says JSB is eager for feedback.....so here it is.

Please oh please make the .22/25.4gr Monster RD great again.

Review your processes and go back to making them like you did about 4-5 yards ago. They were, for a time, the #1 choice for long range accuracy in the biggest airgun competitions that exist. Due to their currently unreliable nature, many competitors have shifted to other pellets.

The potential is there, we all enjoyed it for awhile. Just undo the non-improvements and we'll all start buying them in large batches again.
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I really had wished that when I tried these out in my original HPS that it wasnt just that tin that was good, soon I ate my words to all that warned me as the ever so reliable fliers made their appearance after opening the next 3 tins.... it was truly quite frustrating to say the least. I quickly sent the remaining 27 tins of them all for a hike as I had zero interest in shooting them any longer.
 
Franklink said:
My intent was for this to be constructive criticism for JSB, specifically about the pellet in question. I'm hoping it doesn't turn into a pile-on.
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I didn't mean for my post to sound like that but like many had mentioned when I started shooting them , I started seeing these fliers, manufacturers imo should see/be aware of discontent when it is prevalent about a product they produce.
 
CTAirgunner said:
I didn't mean for my post to sound like that but like many had mentioned when I started shooting them , I started seeing these fliers, manufacturers imo should see/be aware of discontent when it is prevalent about a product they produce.
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I agree 100% that they need to know. With as many as have been unhappy with the decline in quality of the .22 MRD, I could see this getting ugly, then Steven has to step in and shut it down, then our chances of JSB seeing it and doing something about it go down.

MANY competitors have abandoned this pellet, and that should tell JSB something. Hopefully Predator International can correlate reduced orders from the retailers they supply to corroborate all of this. There was a time when a guy couldn't buy a single tin of .22 MRDs. Now they're in stock everywhere. Some of that current availability is likely due to an increase in output, which may also be why they went to crap. And some of their current availability is probably because so many competitors abandoned them.

In short, JSB, please fix the .22 Monster RD.
 
Gentlemen, thank you both for the manner in which you have started this thread!

Obviously you both intend this to be constructive criticism for a company which is producing some amazingly popular products for the airgunners world-wide.

I interpret your posts in the helpful vein in which you intended them.

Yes, I have heard such comments elsewhere, too and I believe JSB will view them as useful so long as future posts in this thread continue in the high standards you both have set so far.
 
Hey everyone

No offense taken here at all. And I’m glad to report the old style MRDs are coming back! JSB told us this about a month ago. I’ve just sent a message to them to ask for a time window when they will start shipping. As soon as I know I’ll update this thread! We always appreciate your feedback and in this case I’m glad to report that’s good news!
 
I feel a deep need to move away from JSB. I moved from 22 cal to 25 because of the inconsistencies of JSB, most being never close to the advertised weight (25 cal wasn't any better) and sitting at the competition bench and trying figure out why all of a sudden you just shot a 5. I now have won a Extreme Field Target competition with JTS pellets. The weight of the JTS's are 80% on the advertised weight and the rest are just .1 grains away. Yes they shoot a bit different but the scores show how consistent the pellet is. JSB's might shoot better if they were more consistent in weight and size. They are softer and seem to go through barrel leaving less lead in the barrel.
 
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Great thread! I love to actually see a sqeaky wheel get greased! Edit: I meant this, as everyone's complaints finally being addressed. As far as everyone discounting JSB and highlighting how much more consistent JTS is, I wouldn't get too invested with any new-comer until you see how they handle die swaps down the road, because right now all of their equipment is new. How they keep the consistency going, and if they do that better, is what really matters. Of course, you could also stock up right now, with what is working great, like everyone who was shooting the RD's years ago wishes they had.
 
GHairgunner said:
I feel a deep need to move away from JSB. I moved from 22 cal to 25 because of the inconsistencies of JSB, most being never close to the advertised weight (25 cal wasn't any better) and sitting at the competition bench and trying figure out why all of a sudden you just shot a 5. I now have won an Extreme Field Target competition with JTS pellets. The weight of the JTS's are 80% on the advertised weight and the rest are just .1 grains away. Yes they shoot a bit different but the scores show how consistent the pellet is. JSB's might shoot better if they were more consistent in weight and size. They are softer and seem to go through barrel leaving less lead in the barrel.
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Glenn, great shooting in Utah. You are leading going into the EFT finale at EBR with 4.5 GP points.
With the JTS, you shot the 25.4 grain? At what speed from your Red Wolf HP?
Looking forward to shooting with you at EBR next week…
 
Hello gentlemen,

I'm happy to report JSB will be ready to ship the old style MRD in about 2 weeks, which means we'll have them in stock in the USA in about 100 days. They will have a new unique label and have extra packaging protection, as it was the thinner skirts that were damaged too often that made them go to the thicker skirts several year ago. Anyway, stay tuned and keep on the lookout in about 3 months at your favorite retailer.
 
Like a few others my disappointment with MRDs lately isn't favourable, not worthy of words.

Good to hear some changes are happening with JSB MRDs, I'm optimistic.

So much so I emailed JSB about the latest redesigned, positive response, test samples will be shipped to me. 2 types for testing.
JSB just ask for feedback.

More than happy to do that 😉.

Credit to JSB,
Life in Europe sometimes has advantages.🙂 Gary.
 
I have personally used JSB pellets for field target competition, and have advised many that I consider them superior. I suggest that having labels on each tin for the lot number is desirable. It is my understanding that such labels are still found on pellet tins sold in Europe. This is a basic quality control provision, and is valuable for many intents.
 
JSB/Predator Official said:
Hello gentlemen,

I'm happy to report JSB will be ready to ship the old style MRD in about 2 weeks, which means we'll have them in stock in the USA in about 100 days. They will have a new unique label and have extra packaging protection, as it was the thinner skirts that were damaged too often that made them go to the thicker skirts several year ago. Anyway, stay tuned and keep on the lookout in about 3 months at your favorite retailer.
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I've only been shooting PCP airguns for about 2 years, so I'm catching up on the various .22 caliber JSB 25.39 pellet designs.

From what I understand, there is the current 25.39 MRD in .22 that started production in 2022. They are currently called the "redesign." And then there is the older 25.39 that ran from I believe 2019 to 2022. And then I guess there was the 25.39 design that was in production prior to 2019 (which I've never seen). So, there are 3 versions that I think are being referenced.

Which version is the "old style MRD" that is being brought back?

2022
2019
pre-2019

Thanks!
 
KodiakJac said:
I've only been shooting PCP airguns for about 2 years, so I'm catching up on the various .22 caliber JSB 25.39 pellet designs.

From what I understand, there is the current 25.39 MRD in .22 that started production in 2022. They are currently called the "redesign." And then there is the older 25.39 that ran from I believe 2019 to 2022. And then I guess there was the 25.39 design that was in production prior to 2019 (which I've never seen). So, there are 3 versions that I think are being referenced.

Which version is the "old style MRD" that is being brought back?

2022
2019
pre-2019

Thanks!
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My intent with starting this thread was for them to bring back the version that goes where they're supposed to go when shot. 😬

Prior to the Redesigns there was a straightwalled .22/25.4gr, that looked like a .177/10.34 grain. Generally, they shot very poorly, from just about everything and at all speeds.
Like this..Screenshot_20231030-143636.png

Them they came out with Monster RDs, with this external profile...
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That first couple years of RDMs were VERY good, arguably the best long range/high BC pellet option.

Then they went to crap. Flyers galore. Inconsistent. Unreliable.

There have been various minor changes to the RDMs, skirt thickness and depth, etc. I don't care as much about the minor changes as I do about being able to count on them to land where they should.

I started this discussion with hopes that we could get back to the RDMs that simply go where they should, like the ones from the first couple years of their production.
 

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