Others Craftsman series no more?

[PasadenaMike]

Interesting. We can definitely make something expensive but there will be a limited for the Benjamin brand to be successful. Definitely something in the middle would be ideal.

Of course it has to make sense for business as well.

 

[Pumacarl]

Interesting. We can definitely make something expensive but there will be a limited for the Benjamin brand to be successful. Definitely something in the middle would be ideal.

Something in the middle would be ok by it's very definition, something at the top would be ideal, and idealistic.

 

[PasadenaMike]

Something in the middle would be ok by it's very definition, something at the top would be ideal, and idealistic.

Agreed. Maybe something between FX DREAMLINE and Avenge x. I’m just talking maybe someone else can chime in

 

[Pumacarl]

Of course it has to make sense for business as well.

If it makes sense for Daystate and FX to do it, why wouldn't it make sense for Benjamin to move into the market and do it too? People like their British and Swedish guns but a lot of people on this side of the pond want a top tier American brand too. Why ignore all your potential customers buying expensive foreign airguns when they want to buy American?

 

[AtlasAirguns]

If it makes sense for Daystate and FX to do it, why wouldn't it make sense for Benjamin to move into the market and do it too? People like their British and Swedish guns but a lot of people on this side of the pond want to a top tier American brand too. Why ignore all your potential customers buying expensive foreign airguns when they want to buy American?

Well there is American Air Arms...

 

[pan60]

If it makes sense for Daystate and FX to do it, why wouldn't it make sense for Benjamin to move into the market and do it too? People like their British and Swedish guns but a lot of people on this side of the pond want to a top tier American brand too. Why ignore all your potential customers buying expensive foreign airguns when they want to buy American?

yes yes yes yes yes!

 

[pan60]

Well there is American Air Arms...

a lot of us want to suport crosman or at least the Benjamin name and line.
and people want option hey some people actauly like GM go figure. every body know all you need if ford

 

[Pumacarl]

Well there is American Air Arms...

Already have a Paradigm, I wasn't waiting. The problem is Tom is a very small business, which is fine, but limited. We neeed a major company doing a premium pcp.

 

[PasadenaMike]

Well there’s RAW and AF But Benjamin needs something too

 

[AtlasAirguns]

In my mind one of the things I like about Benjamin is their price being modest. Not cheap, not expensive, but very accessible for all airgunners. Additionally, the quality of Benjamin is always (for me) a step above a lot of the entry level airguns and their simplicity often makes them far more reliable than the cheap "feature rich" platforms made in China.

I think the Gunnar was close. Very close. I think the marketing of it was towards the individuals that couldn't buy more expensive rigs but wanted a more serious entry into the sport. I think if they come out with a mostly made in US airgun like the Mrod with some updates, notably side lever, more power, and externally adjustable regulator with either wood stock option or tactical, it would do well for various consumers. I have a bunch of friends and clients that have many airguns and still collect Benjamin rifles, and they don't buy them because of their affordablity but because they like the brand. My Marauder I bought after owning other brands that were much more expensive. Why? Because it was appealing as a great ranch rifle. And it was. I only wish it had a bit more power to play around with more other than just the 25.39s

 

[PasadenaMike]

In my mind one of the things I like about Benjamin is their price being modest. Not cheap, not expensive, but very accessible for all airgunners. Additionally, the quality of Benjamin is always (for me) a step above a lot of the entry level airguns and their simplicity often makes them far more reliable than the cheap "feature rich" platforms made in China.

I think the Gunnar was close. Very close. I think the marketing of it was towards the individuals that couldn't buy more expensive rigs but wanted a more serious entry into the sport. I think if they come out with a mostly made in US airgun like the Mrod with some updates, notably side lever, more power, and externally adjustable regulator with either wood stock option or tactical, it would do well for various consumers. I have a bunch of friends and clients that have many airguns and still collect Benjamin rifles, and they don't buy them because of their affordablity but because they like the brand. My Marauder I bought after owning other brands that were much more expensive. Why? Because it was appealing as a great ranch rifle. And it was. I only wish it had a bit more power to play around with more other than just the 25.39s etc.

You have a point here T.

 

[pan60]

In my mind one of the things I like about Benjamin is their price being modest. Not cheap, not expensive, but very accessible for all airgunners. Additionally, the quality of Benjamin is always (for me) a step above a lot of the entry level airguns and their simplicity often makes them far more reliable than the cheap "feature rich" platforms made in China.

I think the Gunnar was close. Very close. I think the marketing of it was towards the individuals that couldn't buy more expensive rigs but wanted a more serious entry into the sport. I think if they come out with a mostly made in US airgun like the Mrod with some updates, notably side lever, more power, and externally adjustable regulator with either wood stock option or tactical, it would do well for various consumers. I have a bunch of friends and clients that have many airguns and still collect Benjamin rifles, and they don't buy them because of their affordablity but because they like the brand. My Marauder I bought after owning other brands that were much more expensive. Why? Because it was appealing as a great ranch rifle. And it was. I only wish it had a bit more power to play around with more other than just the 25.39s

i am all for the entry leval but i would love to see them step it up.
if they did i would again be a customer.
i think they are more interested in large numbers then what the higher end custimer wants?

 

[Pumacarl]

Well there’s RAW and AF But Benjamin needs something too

In my opinion RAW was British company that moved here, so they are iffy, but yeah, they're great. AF marches to their own drum, very capable, but too erector set looking for me. I never got into them and I wouldn't say that they were tier one to me. jmo

 

[pan60]

In my opinion RAW was British company that moved here, so they are iffy, but yeah, they're great. AF marches to their own drum, very capable, but too erector set looking for me. I never got into them and I wouldn't say that they were tier one to me. jmo

yea i could never get past the looks of the AF good bad or indifferent.
and really the looks of the RAW never appealed? not sure i ever get past the moderator. but i did almost buy one a few years back.

 

[PasadenaMike]

yea i could never get past the looks of the AF good bad or indifferent.
and really the looks of the RAW never appealed? not sure i ever get past the moderator. but i did almost buy one a few years back.

Yeah not pretty at all

 

[Pumacarl]

In my mind one of the things I like about Benjamin is their price being modest. Not cheap, not expensive, but very accessible for all airgunners. Additionally, the quality of Benjamin is always (for me) a step above a lot of the entry level airguns and their simplicity often makes them far more reliable than the cheap "feature rich" platforms made in China.

I think the Gunnar was close. Very close. I think the marketing of it was towards the individuals that couldn't buy more expensive rigs but wanted a more serious entry into the sport. I think if they come out with a mostly made in US airgun like the Mrod with some updates, notably side lever, more power, and externally adjustable regulator with either wood stock option or tactical, it would do well for various consumers. I have a bunch of friends and clients that have many airguns and still collect Benjamin rifles, and they don't buy them because of their affordablity but because they like the brand. My Marauder I bought after owning other brands that were much more expensive. Why? Because it was appealing as a great ranch rifle. And it was. I only wish it had a bit more power to play around with more other than just the 25.39s

I know what you mean in the first paragraph, and it use to be true, but it is time to step up their game. The stuff coming out of China isn't crap anymore, (Huben anyone?) and they can stay accessible with the Turkish guns.
I love my seriously modded mrod, and I know that everyone else would too. If they made what everyone has been modding their guns to be, people would buy them. They don't have to make a lot of them, they just have to have them available to raise the status of the brand, and show that they are equal to anyone, are not going anywhere, and are trying. That means a lot to people.

 

[PasadenaMike]

Bolt days are over unfortunately. At the very least offer a side lever and regulator standard to compete with the Avenge X. Keep the 3000 psi fill it’s nice to not have to fill to 300. Drop the hammer throw adjustment no one else uses it and just keep a hammer spring only adjustment. I want Benjamin to succeed

 

[Pumacarl]

I prefer sidelevers on airguns for a lot of reasons. I do like working a 'good' bolt. The problem is that most airgun bolts are too light and lack the solid feel and lockup of a quality firearms bolt. So sidelever for me, on airguns, if possible, and it's unfortunate when a sidelever is not available.

 

[AtlasAirguns]

I guess for me "higher end airgun cunsumers" isn't the answer to the question "Who would buy a Benjamin 2.0." I think 80% of consumers want a moderately priced, dependable, powerful rifle that is mostly USA made (obviously parts have to get globally sourced to keep the price reasonable) with the same great warranty and parts department Crosman-Benjamin has. I don't think Crosman-Benjamin is lacking at all in quality, just in options above an Mrod aside from the Bulldog. I do think the Bulldog is a good rifle for what it is but it just isn't aesthetically appealing to most consumers.

 

[PasadenaMike]

Anyway. Some US made Airguns need to get off the ugly train and get on the more refined train.