Ghost Few new products for the brk ghost

[GHairgunner]

Can anyone nswer the question: does the barrel with the tensioner system on it (not including the new rifle body barrel clamp ) comes off "in one piece" so that you don't lose the tension and thus could put a diff barrel in the gun? and then put back the tensioned barrel and have minimal change in POI?

Yes the new barrel tension system comes off with the barrel. Just loosen the set screw at the breach end and pull. Barrel will fit into another gun with tension system attached.

 

[tec]

Yes the new barrel tension system comes off with the barrel. Just loosen the set screw at the breach end and pull. Barrel will fit into another gun with tension system attached.

I am looking for reasons not to get it…that wasn’t the answer i needed to hear…

 

[Solo1]

I am looking for reasons not to get it…that wasn’t the answer i needed to hear…

Tell you what wait to get it for 6 months that way you will have shot it enough to know if in your mind it will really make a difference or not. Your gun should be capable of 1 hole 10 shot groups @ 50 and at least 1 1/2” groups @ 100 on a fairly calm day and if you’re not getting them you just need to practice more.
Something else to consider if your currently not sorting pellets you don’t need it sorting will make most probably a bigger difference than barrel tension

 

[Danman]

Tell you what wait to get it for 6 months that way you will have shot it enough to know if in your mind it will really make a difference or not. Your gun should be capable of 1 hole 10 shot groups @ 50 and at least 1 1/2” groups @ 100 on a fairly calm day and if you’re not getting them you just need to practice more.
Something else to consider if your currently not sorting pellets you don’t need it sorting will make most probably a bigger difference than barrel tension

100% agree with this! Live without it for a while. I for one am not interested in the extra fussing. If your sorting pellets, using wind gauges, attending lots of competitions, then maybe it's for you?

 

[Solo1]

100% agree with this! Live without it for a while. I for one am not interested in the extra fussing. If your sorting pellets, using wind gauges, attending lots of competitions, then maybe it's for you?

thats the idea a tensioned barrel on a gun that already shoots well is for the n th degree. Now on a fx it was to try to stop the soda straw from moving around which is no comparison to the stout barrel on the ghost. Id be interested in trying the little block but at that price they can keep it it just not a reasonable price.

 

[Franklink]

thats the idea a tensioned barrel on a gun that already shoots well is for the n th degree. Now on a fx it was to try to stop the soda straw from moving around which is no comparison to the stout barrel on the ghost. Id be interested in trying the little block but at that price they can keep it it just not a reasonable price.

I agree.
And I'd add that I can maybe see some benefit with a big long 28inch barrel, and/or if somebody is really pushing the fpe.

I had a 700mm barrel for a Taipan Veteran, also a real steel, solid actual 15mm OD barrel (TJ barrel) like our Ghosts have. The excess length sure seemed "whippy" despite the 15mm OD. A friend had a concurrent experiment going with the same 15mm OD TJ barrels and a third platform (not Veteran or Ghost) and he said something to the effect of watching the end of the barrel moving when he shot it.

So, loooonnggg barrel and lots of oomph....sure, clamp couldn't hurt.

Aggregation of marginal gains. Every little improvement taken collectively, can make the difference in winning in competition.

Then there's the mental game of convincing yourself that your equipment is going to perform. Placebo? Maybe. But confidence is a benefit none the less. Especially if you know your competitor's Ghost has these upgrades. So maybe call it intimidation factor, lol.

 

[tec]

Tell you what wait to get it for 6 months that way you will have shot it enough to know if in your mind it will really make a difference or not. Your gun should be capable of 1 hole 10 shot groups @ 50 and at least 1 1/2” groups @ 100 on a fairly calm day and if you’re not getting them you just need to practice more.
Something else to consider if your currently not sorting pellets you don’t need it sorting will make most probably a bigger difference than barrel tension

Solo1, everyone greatly appreciate the support, I have been shooting since I was ~8 ....I know that I am holding true through the shot cycle, bipod, bag at the breech, with the 24x at 50 yards, and I am not getting that type of precision with 177 10.34-10.6 ~860-870 ft/s nor did I see that level of precision with the .22 using Heavies, MRD and Beasts...I can only shoot outside so I am sure the wind is a factor on some of those shots...but it can't account for all of them, figured some were due to not weight or size sorting, so I started doing that and have enough sorted now to see if it makes a difference......maybe I haven't found the sweet spot in velocity-accuracy for the .22s
At 30 yards, I can get 5 shot groups of 1 ragged hole, stretched to 50 yards and too many outside the 1" target ....I have zero wind skill, so will continue to "experiment" and try to learn to read the wind and adjust. I wish there was an indoor facility near me so that I could eliminate wind and truly gauge.
FYI dropped Reg pressure to ~ 140 bar for last shooting go round:
177 HP, LP HS, H&N BM 10.65 gr Reg 2750/190 PW ~11 to get ~870 ft/s; Reg 2030/140 PW ~4 to get 870 ft/s

 

[Danman]

Tec have you been able to get your hands on any of the new Mrds yet and shoot them through your ghost? In .22 with the ghost hp I think you are euchered with the regular Mrds from what I have read on Ham from the ghost guys and others. I will be hunting with my ghost mostly so the odd mrd flier is not great but liveable. If u can detune and try 18gr jsb or even h&n 21 grainers @ 50? That at least eliminates ammo as your issue. I have had really good success @50 with 18 gr jsb @ 880fps in my AA gun. As far as the .177 heavies do try 925/950fps....should get a decent amount more shots with the lower reg pressure at least

 

[Solo1]

Solo1, everyone greatly appreciate the support, I have been shooting since I was ~8 ....I know that I am holding true through the shot cycle, bipod, bag at the breech, with the 24x at 50 yards, and I am not getting that type of precision with 177 10.34-10.6 ~860-870 ft/s nor did I see that level of precision with the .22 using Heavies, MRD and Beasts...I can only shoot outside so I am sure the wind is a factor on some of those shots...but it can't account for all of them, figured some were due to not weight or size sorting, so I started doing that and have enough sorted now to see if it makes a difference......maybe I haven't found the sweet spot in velocity-accuracy for the .22s
At 30 yards, I can get 5 shot groups of 1 ragged hole, stretched to 50 yards and too many outside the 1" target ....I have zero wind skill, so will continue to "experiment" and try to learn to read the wind and adjust. I wish there was an indoor facility near me so that I could eliminate wind and truly gauge.
FYI dropped Reg pressure to ~ 140 bar for last shooting go round:
177 HP, LP HS, H&N BM 10.65 gr Reg 2750/190 PW ~11 to get ~870 ft/s; Reg 2030/140 PW ~4 to get 870 ft/s

My comments weren’t meant to imply your a bad shot sorry if you took it that way. But by the same token wind especially in 177 is critical. I can make my wind gauge register a 2 mph breeze with a exhale. A 2 mph breeze at 30 will push a 13 gr pellet .3” so it is terribly easy for the 177 to drift a bit. As for the 22 mrd’s are great and suck all at the same time! For the 22 i would suggest you push a pellet thru the barrel so you can see how tight it is and how much tighter the choke is. Measure the pellet after so you can judge if you have a batch of pellets that will never shoot well or will? I had 3 tins of jsb 10.4 that shot horribly come to find out they were way undersize and would nevver shoot well out of that gun. And too there is the possibility of a bad barrel but pushing a pellet thru should tell you a lot.

 

[tec]

My comments weren’t meant to imply your a bad shot sorry if you took it that way. But by the same token wind especially in 177 is critical. I can make my wind gauge register a 2 mph breeze with a exhale. A 2 mph breeze at 30 will push a 13 gr pellet .3” so it is terribly easy for the 177 to drift a bit. As for the 22 mrd’s are great and suck all at the same time! For the 22 i would suggest you push a pellet thru the barrel so you can see how tight it is and how much tighter the choke is. Measure the pellet after so you can judge if you have a batch of pellets that will never shoot well or will? I had 3 tins of jsb 10.4 that shot horribly come to find out they were way undersize and would nevver shoot well out of that gun. And too there is the possibility of a bad barrel but pushing a pellet thru should tell you a lot.

I didn't not take your comment(s) that way!. I was just trying to give credence to my statement that I am holding true through the shot cycle.
Pushing a pellet through with a choked barrel...what am I looking for? I am assuming consistent resistance till the choke? any other insight as to what to look for?
thank you!
tc

 

[tec]

Tec have you been able to get your hands on any of the new Mrds yet and shoot them through your ghost? In .22 with the ghost hp I think you are euchered with the regular Mrds from what I have read on Ham from the ghost guys and others. I will be hunting with my ghost mostly so the odd mrd flier is not great but liveable. If u can detune and try 18gr jsb or even h&n 21 grainers @ 50? That at least eliminates ammo as your issue. I have had really good success @50 with 18 gr jsb @ 880fps in my AA gun. As far as the .177 heavies do try 925/950fps....should get a decent amount more shots with the lower reg pressure at least

I didn't know they were available. I have not shot the heavies at that velocity yet. Hopefully in an hour from now I can ....not going to if it's windy!!!

 

[Solo1]

@tec you will see how tight the choke is if it’s extremely tight i would recommend polishing that area a bit with jb bore paste.

 

[tec]

Grabbed a couple minutes to shoot the JSB Heavy (10.34) and H&N BM (10.56) at ~970. POI was > 1" higher at 30 yards...did the math, that is not due to the velocity...so it has to be due to the "harmonics", changing the barrel exit point relative to the scope...yes?

 

[Solo1]

Grabbed a couple minutes to shoot the JSB Heavy (10.34) and H&N BM (10.56) at ~970. POI was > 1" higher at 30 yards...did the math, that is not due to the velocity...so it has to be due to the "harmonics", changing the barrel exit point relative to the scope...yes?

Not necessarily depends on head size (were they the same) lead hardness to some degree depending on pellet to choke tightness. Many variables. Try weighing 10 to .1 grain and pick ten from the tin crono the 2 groups and i bet the weighted pellets have better sd

 

[tec]

both from tins that I was shooting at ~870, then upped the power wheel to ~15 ~970....and POI changed by that much for both, shot >5 BM then 5 Heavies, adjusted scope and alternated between both, both basically landing in the same hole..

 

[Danman]

Just looking at your numbers Tec, @ 140 reg pressure and lower hammer spring tension (dial @4) you were getting 870fps. But with 190bar reg you had it set at pw 11 to get that same speed to of course give more muscle to the hammer to overcome said pressure and open valve up. So really a super high reg pressure does nothing good for the ghost I'm thinking? (More abuse to internals/o-rings, less shot count, less difference when spinning the power wheel) Are the first shots out of your ghost slow as some guys are? I feel you on trying to find a place to shoot with 'zero' wind. Once you have that dialed you can then shoot with some wind and adjust your shooting as needed. Let us know how your progress goes, seems the heavies like this faster speed!? This gun interests me sooo much

 

[Solo1]

Just looking at your numbers Tec, @ 140 reg pressure and lower hammer spring tension (dial @4) you were getting 870fps. But with 190bar reg you had it set at pw 11 to get that same speed to of course give more muscle to the hammer to overcome said pressure and open valve up. So really a super high reg pressure does nothing good for the ghost I'm thinking? (More abuse to internals/o-rings, less shot count, less difference when spinning the power wheel) Are the first shots out of your ghost slow as some guys are? I feel you on trying to find a place to shoot with 'zero' wind. Once you have that dialed you can then shoot with some wind and adjust your shooting as needed. Let us know how your progress goes, seems the heavies like this faster speed!? This gun interests me sooo much

I said it once before and will say once again you dont adjust the ghost like an impact !!! The ghost valve really seems to me to be built around 140 reg pressure (130-150 ) and then changing hammer springs to make more differences. Refer to hammerspring vid by aoa

Ghost - 👻 hammer spring vid from aoa

Saw this thought you guys would like

community.hardairmagazine.com

 

[GHairgunner]

I said it once before and will say once again you dont adjust the ghost like an impact !!! The ghost valve really seems to me to be built around 140 reg pressure (130-150 ) and then changing hammer springs to make more differences. Refer to hammerspring vid by aoa

Ghost - 👻 hammer spring vid from aoa

Saw this thought you guys would like

community.hardairmagazine.com

I'm not sure that is true. In hopes of slowing down my Fady special edition I have been experimenting with reg vs hammer to see what speeds and SD's I can get. I'm shooting 22 and 25.4gr pellets. It came to me shooting in the very high 900's with a hammer at 6 and a reg at 145, terrible SD of around 7fps. Like the FX you should always shoot off the reg and watch speed vs pressure. As the bottle pressure drops the speed will go up before it finally goes down due to low pressures. Personally I get better SD's when the hammer is in the middle say 8-12. So here are some numbers from my testing:
145 reg 6 hammer = 1005fps
125 reg 6 hammer = 974fps
110 reg 6 hammer - 965fps
100 reg 6 hammer = 930fps
Yes it wasn't linear don't have an answer there other then maybe accuracy of the speed measurements. I looked at some accuracy of groups as well as how easy it was to stay in the 10's at 50 yards. I'm still looking to find a magic spot some where from 900 to 950 to keep all shots stable. BRK is suggesting that everyone leave their guns at 140-145 as they come out of the factory and dial for speed. I think there is a better more accurate spot to shoot and get many more shots per fill at a lower pressure on the reg.

 

[tec]

I'm not sure that is true. In hopes of slowing down my Fady special edition I have been experimenting with reg vs hammer to see what speeds and SD's I can get. I'm shooting 22 and 25.4gr pellets. It came to me shooting in the very high 900's with a hammer at 6 and a reg at 145, terrible SD of around 7fps. Like the FX you should always shoot off the reg and watch speed vs pressure. As the bottle pressure drops the speed will go up before it finally goes down due to low pressures. Personally I get better SD's when the hammer is in the middle say 8-12. So here are some numbers from my testing:
145 reg 6 hammer = 1005fps
125 reg 6 hammer = 974fps
110 reg 6 hammer - 965fps
100 reg 6 hammer = 930fps
Yes it wasn't linear don't have an answer there other then maybe accuracy of the speed measurements. I looked at some accuracy of groups as well as how easy it was to stay in the 10's at 50 yards. I'm still looking to find a magic spot some where from 900 to 950 to keep all shots stable. BRK is suggesting that everyone leave their guns at 140-145 as they come out of the factory and dial for speed. I think there is a better more accurate spot to shoot and get many more shots per fill at a lower pressure on the reg.

I initially started increasing regulator outlet pressure to get more ft/s change with the Power Wheel. I was trying to see if I could shoot 177 Heavy, MRD, and Beast without having to change out the hammer spring…I even made a 3.1 mm shim for the LP HS to give it a little more…but even at 190 bar its too much of a pellet weight spread …so now I am back to 140 Reg.
When you did your tests, did you change the PW to see what the ft/s change was between PW settings at those reg pressures? I think you will find that it decreases with decreasing reg pressure.

 

[Solo1]

I'm not sure that is true. In hopes of slowing down my Fady special edition I have been experimenting with reg vs hammer to see what speeds and SD's I can get. I'm shooting 22 and 25.4gr pellets. It came to me shooting in the very high 900's with a hammer at 6 and a reg at 145, terrible SD of around 7fps. Like the FX you should always shoot off the reg and watch speed vs pressure. As the bottle pressure drops the speed will go up before it finally goes down due to low pressures. Personally I get better SD's when the hammer is in the middle say 8-12. So here are some numbers from my testing:
145 reg 6 hammer = 1005fps
125 reg 6 hammer = 974fps
110 reg 6 hammer - 965fps
100 reg 6 hammer = 930fps
Yes it wasn't linear don't have an answer there other then maybe accuracy of the speed measurements. I looked at some accuracy of groups as well as how easy it was to stay in the 10's at 50 yards. I'm still looking to find a magic spot some where from 900 to 950 to keep all shots stable. BRK is suggesting that everyone leave their guns at 140-145 as they come out of the factory and dial for speed. I think there is a better more accurate spot to shoot and get many more shots per fill at a lower pressure on the reg.

Well and once more when i got my hp 177 i was thinking like you and tuning fx. I shot 13 gr to 810 for ft. Good sd (2-3)great groups enough shots for a match about 70. After ft season reg to 135 adjust hammer i think 6 and sd 2-4 great groups and i think a few more shots so i just don’t think you should tune like fx. I thinks the valves are quite different and i think the ghost valve likes 130-150 best. Also i weigh my pellets you should try it with a few and you’ll see the weighed group will have a lower sd. Sort to .1 gr