Ghost Ghost won’t Cock and Completely Degassed.

[Billm]

I can’t fill my Ghost HP .25. I’m not sure if maybe my Ghost contributed to my cheapo compressor dying or not. When my compressor died I was filling my Ghost. I fill my Ghost with the little compressor in 2 or 3 stages allowing the compressor to cool to room temp in between stages. The Ghost was bought used two months ago from AOA. It’s had two issues from day one: the side lever constantly comes loose at the top of the chassis - I figure eventually I’ll blue loctite it. The second issue is that none of the extended quick connects firmly attach to the Foster fill connector, they have a lot of wiggle. On the last attempt to fill the Ghost (3rd stage) it would not fill, it was stuck at 220 bar. The compressor bogged down trying. I have been charging it to 20 bar with no issues. while I was waiting for the new compressor, I shot the Ghost down to 160 bar. The Ghost will not pressurize the line, so I’m assuming a leak. I have 3 whips and two extended QC and they all have the same result with the Ghost, no line pressure. I looked at the Foster fill port on the Ghost and there is an O-ring on the fill port. At first I thought it might have come out of one of the QC connectors, but they all work with my other guns and don’t seem to be missing an o-ring. So my next thought was: is it there to put pressure on on a loose F connector? I’ve never seen an o-ring on an F connector. It seems like it can’t get a good enough seal to activate the one-way valve in the fill port.
So, I decided to degas the Ghost and look at the fill port. I removed the bottle and shot it down. Then of course it wouldn’t cock. I’m aware that means the hammer is stuck. Before I disassemble the backend, is there anything else that I should be looking at. I appreciate any help/insight that anyone has to offer. I have seen Foster connectors that had worn out before, but usually on high use connections. Sorry, I know it’s a bit of a rambling post.

 

[Woogie_man]

If the gun has zero air in it I would check the fill foster itself. Replace it with a new, or one you know works. Then go from there.

It does sound like the gun is getting air, just not completely full? Are you sure that the gauges are functioning correctly?

 

[Billm]

If the gun has zero air in it I would check the fill foster itself. Replace it with a new, or one you know works. Then go from there.

It does sound like the gun is getting air, just not completely full? Are you sure that the gauges are functioning correctly?

Thanks, Yeah, the gauge on the compressor matches it.
I don’t think it has taken any air since the last fill before the compressor died.

 

[Danman]

I can’t fill my Ghost HP .25. I’m not sure if maybe my Ghost contributed to my cheapo compressor dying or not. When my compressor died I was filling my Ghost. I fill my Ghost with the little compressor in 2 or 3 stages allowing the compressor to cool to room temp in between stages. The Ghost was bought used two months ago from AOA. It’s had two issues from day one: the side lever constantly comes loose at the top of the chassis - I figure eventually I’ll blue loctite it. The second issue is that none of the extended quick connects firmly attach to the Foster fill connector, they have a lot of wiggle. On the last attempt to fill the Ghost (3rd stage) it would not fill, it was stuck at 220 bar. The compressor bogged down trying. I have been charging it to 20 bar with no issues. while I was waiting for the new compressor, I shot the Ghost down to 160 bar. The Ghost will not pressurize the line, so I’m assuming a leak. I have 3 whips and two extended QC and they all have the same result with the Ghost, no line pressure. I looked at the Foster fill port on the Ghost and there is an O-ring on the fill port. At first I thought it might have come out of one of the QC connectors, but they all work with my other guns and don’t seem to be missing an o-ring. So my next thought was: is it there to put pressure on on a loose F connector? I’ve never seen an o-ring on an F connector. It seems like it can’t get a good enough seal to activate the one-way valve in the fill port.
So, I decided to degas the Ghost and look at the fill port. I removed the bottle and shot it down. Then of course it wouldn’t cock. I’m aware that means the hammer is stuck. Before I disassemble the backend, is there anything else that I should be looking at. I appreciate any help/insight that anyone has to offer. I have seen Foster connectors that had worn out before, but usually on high use connections. Sorry, I know it’s a bit of a rambling post.

@Billm ...we've had this conversation..GHOST USERS STOP DRY FIRING TO EMPTY!!! I swapped my gauges this week and while trying different seals (like a dozen!!) all I did was grab an adjustable wrench and cracked gauge after spinning off bottle. Half a turn..hisss...crack it back snug. Done. Again, Brk knows dry firing the Ghost is not great for it, but yeah the manual still says its ok.
It's a seriously long read but check out @Franklinks Ghost review (aka the Ghost Bible) Your hammer is probably stuck from the dry firing....sometimes bolts come loose inside. As for your fill issue that is perplexing!! Fyi my foster has a bit of side to side play when on the Ghost but not much....how much play we saying here?

 

[Danman]

Oh about the cocking bolt coming loose, I've heard of that one. Is the little bushing in place, is it brass looking or black? The brass ones oozed brown sludge and were quickly replaced with different ones by Brk. If it keeps happening I'd make sure threads are nice and dry and apply that dab of blue loctite for sure as you mentioned

 

[Billm]

@Billm ...we've had this conversation..GHOST USERS STOP DRY FIRING TO EMPTY!!! I swapped my gauges this week and while trying different seals (like a dozen!!) all I did was grab an adjustable wrench and cracked gauge after spinning off bottle. Half a turn..hisss...crack it back snug. Done. Again, Brk knows dry firing the Ghost is not great for it, but yeah the manual still says its ok.
It's a seriously long read but check out @Franklinks Ghost review (aka the Ghost Bible) Your hammer is probably stuck from the dry firing....sometimes bolts come loose inside. As for your fill issue that is perplexing!! Fyi my foster has a bit of side to side play when on the Ghost but not much....how much play we saying here?

A lot of play, ok @Danman I’m going to confess, I had this actual conversation with myself 30 seconds before I did it: ‘ I remember Danman’s said in his post ; DO NOT DRY FIRE TO DEGAS. But then I told myself that it was almost dark and I wanted to shoot. I’m laughing right now, because I know how stupid it sounds.

 

[Danman]

A lot of play, ok @Danman I’m going to confess, I had this actual conversation with myself 30 seconds before I did it: ‘ I remember Danman’s said in his post ; DO NOT DRY FIRE TO DEGAS. But then I told myself that it was almost dark and I wanted to shoot. I’m laughing right now, because I know how stupid it sounds.

Not a problem boss! I try not to waste my breath on Ham So that fill fitting is probably messed @Billm. Im wondering if its the Ghost original...Pull it out and look at/for the restrictor in it. Often it's put there to slow the onrush of incoming air from a tank. Us mere mortals with hand pumps and compressors don't have such luxuries (or worries) lol. Pull the restrictor out and throw it away. Far. Reinstall foster and fill er up! After you fix hammer....bc you didn't listen..... Sorry.

 

[Billm]

Not a problem boss! I try not to waste my breath on Ham So that fill fitting is probably messed @Billm. Im wondering if its the Ghost original...Pull it out and look at/for the restrictor in it. Often it's put there to slow the onrush of incoming air from a tank. Us mere mortals with hand pumps and compressors don't have such luxuries (or worries) lol. Pull the restrictor out and throw it away. Far. Reinstall foster and fill er up! After you fix hammer....bc you didn't listen..... Sorry.

I., do that, thanks

 

[Danman]

Not a problem boss! I try not to waste my breath on Ham So that fill fitting is probably messed @Billm. Im wondering if its the Ghost original...Pull it out and look at/for the restrictor in it. Often it's put there to slow the onrush of incoming air from a tank. Us mere mortals with hand pumps and compressors don't have such luxuries (or worries) lol. Pull the restrictor out and throw it away. Far. Reinstall foster and fill er up! After you fix hammer....bc you didn't listen..... Sorry.

Generic pic but this is what I mean by restrictor. Some fittings have it some don't. It's one of those safety items that just serve the purpose to annoy us mostly. I deleted one on something I own (i forget now what it was) If its an issue it will slow your compressor/hand pump fill rate.

 

[Billm]

Generic pic but this is what I mean by restrictor. Some fittings have it some don't. It's one of those safety items that just serve the purpose to annoy us mostly. I deleted one on something I own (i forget now what it was) If its an issue it will slow your compressor/hand pump fill rate.

I’ll take a look

 

[Danman]

Apologies, this is a better pic of what I meant by fill restrictor on a fitting, to slow the air coming into the gun.
That first one is the one way (Air-in only) valve. Who knows it may be plugged up with some crud?

 

[Billm]

It doesn’t have a flow restrictor. It has what looks like a brass mesh filter in the F connector, a Dowdy washer and the one way valve which has a white o-ring on it. I took the backend apart and freed the hammer. I’ve taken the fill port apart several times and cleaned it and wiped the o-ring. It just started to take a fill. I’ll see what happens. Thanks @Danman

 

[Danman]

It doesn’t have a flow restrictor. It has what looks like a brass mesh filter in the F connector, a Dowdy washer and the one way valve which has a white o-ring on it. I took the backend apart and freed the hammer. I’ve taken the fill port apart several times and cleaned it and wiped the o-ring. It just started to take a fill. I’ll see what happens. Thanks @Danman

Good to know, havent had mine apart yet, here's hoping! Finally started tuning mine tonight, the fill fitting (a new Huma stainless) did have some play but nothing concerning.

 

[Billm]

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Good to know, havent had mine apart yet, here's hoping! Finally started tuning mine tonight, the fill fitting (a new Huma stainless) did have some play but nothing concerning.

I've filled it and shot it twice today, so hopefully all is well. On second thoughts, all might not be well. Now the cocking feels a little rough . But, other than that it shot pretty good using the Aea center punch pellets. The 105f heat index due to humidity was rough though. I was thankful that the POI did not change after disassembly.

 

[Solo1]

Glad you got it worked out!