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Ghost Ghost Trigger

Franklink

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This often comes up in other discussions. I'm hoping this stand-alone post will be easier for Ghost owners to find.

As shipped, the Ghost trigger pull weight is usually in the 1lb, 8oz area, and with a rather rough "break". It can be drastically improved through lightening two springs, and then through tweaking of the trigger adjustment screws. The following process can get it down to 8ounces or less, and feel much better.

The first spring that needs lightened is easy to get to, being located above the trigger blade, and under the plate that the safety goes through. Here is the "first" spring. Essentially the first stage spring....
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And what it looks like after being further disassembled...Allen key is pointing at the spring.
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You can either reuse this spring after over compressing it with plyers to reduce its overall length (careful that it doesn't fly away) or it can be replaced with this spring...(thanks to @Pesty3782 for the link) Amazon.com

The second big fix is to lighten the spring on the rear end of the trigger rod. This spring is located to the rear and underside of the gun. It's is a bit harder to get to than the first stage spring, but not impossible. Access requires "dropping" the trigger cassette.

First remove these two bolts...
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Gravity is your friend here so keep the gun in a vertical position while pulling the trigger (gun does not need cocked for this). The purpose of pulling the trigger is to relieve the tension of the hooked portion of the cassette from the brass ears threaded into the back of the trigger rod. That brass eared piece is also the spring retainer. Prying on one end of the cassette will not aid in removing it. The cassette detaches from the gun best if kept horizontal to the edge of the frame it is coming out of. Don't force anything.

This is the cassette and how it "hooks" to the trigger rod.
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Once the trigger cassette is removed you'll have this...(don't lose the tiny rod going between the brass ears)
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At this point it's still nearly impossible to get to the spring you're attempting to access. The entire rear subassembly comes off as one piece to facilitate this. To detach the rear sub-assembly remove four bolts and one grub screw, marked In red here. The four bolts come down from the rail, under the cheek piece. And the grub screw is tightened to a flat on the valve. Removing these four bolts and one grub screw allow the subassembly to slide out the back, as one piece.
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You'll now have this (access to the trigger rod spring), and a decision to make. Remove the brass piece, or leave it in place.
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Removing the brass piece means you can swap out the spring for a lighter one. Leaving the brass piece in place means you have to carefully remove half a coil of the spring at a time, reassembling to check function and desired feel. The brass eared piece is threaded to the rod but it is retained with serious loktite. Heat is necessary. It is also tricky to get it threaded back on to the correct depth for everything to function properly.
If you choose to remove it you'll get this....
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The brass piece is very easily damaged and I'd recommend leaving it in place and clipping coils over removing it and replacing the spring with a lighter one. REMEMBER that you can't reattach a too-much clipped coil. Go slow and easy. Retesting function after each half coil removed.

Clipping can be achieved with this type of wire cutter. 7 in. Diagonal Cutters

It's been a year since I did mine but I vaguely remember removing about 2 full coils.

@Solo1 provided this link as another source of lighter springs to perform the above lightening of the two springs. Amazon.com

Reassemble in reverse order and then use the factory adjustments to get it how you like it.
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Alternatively, if the above seems daunting, send it to Derrick Wall @ Tenacious Airguns and he'll do all of the above and likely add in a few special touches and tune your desired projectile to your desired speed.
 
There is at least 1 under the trigger and the 1 all the way toward the butt of the gun is a little hard to see. Make sure your turning the right screws. Best to use a small flash light
Yep. From your photo....
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I believe your trigger carrier is covering B and C.
 
On the left side of the gun...this tiny bolt....
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Is what allows the trigger to be moved forward and back on the little rail it rides on. Loosening that bolt and sliding the trigger carrier would give you access to B and C, if so desired.
 
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The link that franklink posted for amazon of mine may also have the 1st stage spring im not sure as i only changed the rear spring and got to 8 oz which i was happy with. I used a .4x5x30 mm spring
 
Brought this over from the other thread so all can see more clearly where the screws are and what their doing
You have to adjust the trigger in the correct sequence or youll never get it.
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If you look at the safety right above screw d you'll see a line where the trigger group rotates slightly around the safety so first back out screw b so it has no tension on the 1st stage spring above then you’ll have to find a balance between a and e you’ll want to screw a in to take more weight off 1st stage spring then you have to fiddle with e&f to get things right. Its kind of a pain but i hope i stated this right so you understand.
 
Franklink suggested spring for the trigger update in another thread. I bought those springs, but they were shorter then the stock unit so I stacked them and installed the trigger. Once tested I was down to 9-10 once pull for the trigger less then half what it was. I will do a couple calculations and then search for a good source for the springs like a McMaster Carr so everyone can access the springs for their guns. Pleased with the update.
 
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Franklink suggested spring for the trigger update in another thread. I bought those springs, but they were shorter then the stock unit so I stacked them and installed the trigger. Once tested I was down to 9-10 once pull for the trigger less then half what it was. I will do a couple calculations and then search for a good source for the springs like a McMaster Carr so everyone can access the springs for their guns. Pleased with the update.

I think I was mistaken in the Amazon link from @Pesty3782 when I made that recommendation to you a week or so ago. I thought it was a replacement for the trigger rod return spring but it was actually the first stage spring.

I apologize for my confusion and leading you astray.

I cut coils on my trigger rod return spring and I overcompressed my first stage spring as described in the first post here. So I personally did not replace any springs, just modified the OEM springs.
 
I think I was mistaken in the Amazon link from @Pesty3782 when I made that recommendation to you a week or so ago. I thought it was a replacement for the trigger rod return spring but it was actually the first stage spring.

I apologize for my confusion and leading you astray.

I cut coils on my trigger rod return spring and I overcompressed my first stage spring as described in the first post here. So I personally did not replace any springs, just modified the OEM springs.
No problems, it all worked and it proves the idea works. A lighter trigger spring produces lighter trigger pulls. Now hopefully it doesn't cause misfires or anything. I have only shot maybe a 100 rounds with the current setup but everything is good.
 
No problems, it all worked and it proves the idea works. A lighter trigger spring produces lighter trigger pulls. Now hopefully it doesn't cause misfires or anything. I have only shot maybe a 100 rounds with the current setup but everything is good.
If you do get to a point where the gun wont stay cocked back screw f out an 1/8/to 1/4 turn and things should be good again. Its a very delicate balance on those screws
 
No problems, it all worked and it proves the idea works. A lighter trigger spring produces lighter trigger pulls. Now hopefully it doesn't cause misfires or anything. I have only shot maybe a 100 rounds with the current setup but everything is good.
If it eàses your mind.....I did my trigger last year, probably in early October. I've shot about 14,500 pellets and slugs with it since then (probably about 500 prior to the trigger job) and I haven't had any issues with misfires. It's been quite a while since I put my trigger pull gauge on it but 5 or 6 ounces is coming to mind. So reducing the trigger pull weight by reducing the strength of these two springs in question seems a safe way to go about it, to at least that light of an overall trigger pull weight.

Years ago there was a spring in the Marauder trigger group that everybody called the "lawyer spring." If I remember correctly omitted it completely in my Marauder trigger and got it from multiple pounds to mere ounces. I suspect the Ghosts ship with such a heavy trigger for the very same reason. Lawyers telling them light triggers are a no-no, from their legal perspective.
 
On the left side of the gun...this tiny bolt....
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Is what allows the trigger to be moved forward and back on the little rail it rides on. Loosening that bolt and sliding the trigger carrier would give you access to B and C, if so desired.
Yep. Loosening that screw allows the trigger to slide back and forth on a rail. You can actually remove it all together. Screw "F" is tucked back in the cavity. A screwdriver handle hex driver makes it super easy to access.

I haven't cut the spring yet but everything else has been very simple thanks to @Franklink & @Solo1 guidance.

Hopefully others can learn from my questions and their expertise.
 
I took the plunge and cut the spring to 26mm in length. The side cutters would not allow me to grasp it. Against @Franklink's advice, I lightly heated the brass piece. It took less than 3 seconds of heat and easily spun off. I did measure the distance between the block and edge of the brass before heating. I believe it was ~23.5 mm.

Worth noting, this did require removing the grip and sliding out the plastic vanity piece along the bottom of the rail. This allows you to pivot the trigger linkage for doing everything above.

Once the spring was off, I placed it on wooden skewer stick and cut it with a Dremel.

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I'm a bit perplexed as to why BRK couldn't get this better out of the box. It's a wonderful, accurate, durable gun but to make it competitive that trigger needs improvement. For the end user to have to go through all this imo is a bit rediculous, especially when the improved fix came from an end user. I will say BRK/Daystate continues to improve components, the new magazines are about my favorite on the market, absolutely brilliant design. Take that same brilliant r&d and design a better trigger to complement the rest of the gun.
 
I'm a bit perplexed as to why BRK couldn't get this better out of the box. It's a wonderful, accurate, durable gun but to make it competitive that trigger needs improvement. For the end user to have to go through all this imo is a bit rediculous, especially when the improved fix came from an end user. I will say BRK/Daystate continues to improve components, the new magazines are about my favorite on the market, absolutely brilliant design. Take that same brilliant r&d and design a better trigger to complement the rest of the gun.
I read somewhere that daystate intended the ghost to be more of a hunter, perhaps thats why the heavier trigger or perhaps some lawyer got a few words in. Either way its really not that hard to get the weight down the average guy just needs a plan to follow
 

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