I agree Mike. I have 4 springers all in .177 caliber, and all I use them for is paper punching. They would be ok for shooting small pests at short range like rats and such. But for hunting, I have in reserve, an FX Wildcat MK3 in .25 caliber for my SHTF gun in case I need to feed my family.Unfortunately, springers just don’t offer the same knockdown power as my .25 caliber AirForce airguns. People often bring up “shot placement,” but in my experience, ground squirrels rarely give you those perfect, YouTube-worthy shots. That’s where the .25 really shines—it makes up for less-than-ideal shot placement in ways a 10 ft-lb springer simply can’t. Besides, let’s be real—we’re not all Olympic shooters.