EVOL AAA and Epic airguns

[Luis Leon]

Just got my peepee whacked on AGN for comparing the 2 in a thread. It’s hard to tell the truth on that forum when it goes against a “supporting“ member or should I say “sponsor” of the forum. It’s not about the members any more, it’s about who pays the piper. If HAM had a classifieds section, I’d ditch AGN all together!

Wow you got your peepee whacked? Seriously immature… It’s a hobby.

 

[CTAirgunner]

Just got my peepee whacked on AGN for comparing the 2 in a thread. It’s hard to tell the truth on that forum when it goes against a “supporting“ member or should I say “sponsor” of the forum. It’s not about the members any more, it’s about who pays the piper. If HAM had a classifieds section, I’d ditch AGN all together!

100% , can't believe that, what a sham.

 

[Luis Leon]

100% , can't believe that, what a sham.

What sham? That you two “are again” trying to create drama from a hobby? Simply wow!

 

[Woogie_man]

Just got my peepee whacked on AGN for comparing the 2 in a thread. It’s hard to tell the truth on that forum when it goes against a “supporting“ member or should I say “sponsor” of the forum. It’s not about the members any more, it’s about who pays the piper. If HAM had a classifieds section, I’d ditch AGN all together!

Your not the only one...so did I.

I really find it ironic that you get reprimanded for pointing out the obvious.

 

[CTAirgunner]

Glad to know others think the same, means all our eyes are good

 

[Luis Leon]

Your not the only one...so did I.

I really find it ironic that you get reprimanded for pointing out the obvious.

Pointing out the “similarities“ between guns is valid. Accusations of theft of intellectual properties or ideas? Not so much…So a new gun, from a different manufacturer “looks“ like your current gun. Does not give them the right to disparage and accuse. Simply unnecessary. Lets keep this awesome ”hobby to most” drama free.

PS: This thread is but an example of the behavior… Trying to denigrate or talk bad about AGN? Why can’t some of you simply enjoy both HAM and AGN? Leave the ”us vs. them” drama out of it. Taking hobbies too seriously… causes some to lose good judgement.

 

[Luis Leon]

The epic 2 looks like they took an evol, added a leshiy 2 externally adjustable reg, and added a saber tactical chassis to it With folding stock. I posted a similar response on airrifleactivities Instagram post on it, and got a lot of flack. I won’t buy this gun purely on the fact I truly believe its copied designs. While the manufacturers of those guns may see it as flattery, I see it as lack of uniqueness. pill stick with my evols for now thanks.

Copied designs? Look all around, its all an evolution of someone else’s design. The millions of cars, motorcycles, trucks on the road prove the moot point starkly. The carping over it is simply silly. And detracts from simply talking about our enjoyment of such. I eagerly await @MountainSportAirguns review, his words on the Epic will carry more wait than all the posts here, mine included.

 

[pan60]

anyone following alone over there knows i have stated clearly i thought just because the guns looked alike meant nothing. they ae differant enough i have not felt there was anything out of line.
the admin over ther just come down on me.
here is admins mesage and my reply.


pan60,

Your post (Epic Airguns) contains inappropriate content:

i wunder if a retailer did not contract to have this made?

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Your statement (insinuating that the EDgun USA importer has something to do with stealing EDgun's regulator design and working with Epic in order to be one of the 1st persons to import their product) is not based on any facts and been removed.

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Thank you

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sorry boss i was not insinuating that the EDgun anything. i post information that i got from epic as well if you read my post you will clearly see i have defended epic.
my coment was nothing more then a coment based on general idea of just what i said.
" i wunder if a retailer did not contract to have this made?"
and that is it i wunder if a retailer did not contract to have this made? did a retailer have this gun made to offer a alternitive to what it is allegedly to look like.
i dont really care if you strike my stamenet that you deal but you are ready into it something that isnt there as well making a faulse accusation as to what i said!

 

[MountainSportAirguns]

I think lots of ideas for almost all brands come from somewhere, really only so many ways you can make an airgun work. I think it's just part of progress, it makes people work harder to improve and change design. No reason to get wound up, it's not life or death.

 

[pan60]

my pouint is i have defended eipic and agree with what you say so why would they drag me into this over there i dont get it?
i am not going to worry about it just blind sided by it.
LOL

 

[Woogie_man]

The fact that there are more than a few similar drsign parts....makes it hard to ignore. As of right now, before anyone gets anything in their hands, it looks like a clone. BUT....if when released we see things are quite different then it will be different. But you can't claim a "new" design when there are components that look extremely similar. Same goes with the regulator looking like an EdGun regulator.

I haven't seen....but where is this company based out of?

 

[Luis Leon]

my pouint is i have defended eipic and agree with what you say so why would they drag me into this over there i dont get it?
i am not going to worry about it just blind sided by it.
LOL

Maybe the Moderator misread the intent of your post?

The fact that there are more than a few similar drsign parts....makes it hard to ignore. As of right now, before anyone gets anything in their hands, it looks like a clone. BUT....if when released we see things are quite different then it will be different. But you can't claim a "new" design when there are components that look extremely similar. Same goes with the regulator looking like an EdGun regulator.

I haven't seen....but where is this company based out of?

I believe Czechoslovakia, and we know the Czechs make awesome guns. CZ75, CZ P01, CZ 452….

 

[Navnesen]

Czech Republic, Slovakia has been an independent country since 1993.

 

[pan60]

Maybe the Moderator misread the intent of your post?


I believe Czechoslovakia, and we know the Czechs make awesome guns. CZ75, CZ P01, CZ 452….

yea thats probably what it is.

 

[MountainSportAirguns]

I know Tom pretty well, he's not the type to get frustrated over something that looks similar. If anything I would be sort of flattered, it's probably a really cool gun. I look forward to checking one out.

 

[Woogie_man]

I know Tom pretty well, he's not the type to get frustrated over something that looks similar. If anything I would be sort of flattered, it's probably a really cool gun. I look forward to checking one out.

Looking forward to seeing what you have to say about it Dana.

 

[Woogie_man]

Maybe the Moderator misread the intent of your post?


I believe Czechoslovakia, and we know the Czechs make awesome guns. CZ75, CZ P01, CZ 452….

I love my Cz rifles, and their barrels are some of the best tou can get.

 

[Brian@edgunwest]

While walking around IWA, I saw the Edgun regulator first inserted in the side of the new Kalibrgun. Marek smiled at me and said, "I know there are not a lot of new ideas left." Before IWA, I had never heard of Epic or met the makers, but the gun impressed me. I first thought it was more of a Dreamline copy on the outside rather than an Evol. Later, I, too, saw the ghost of Evol and many other guns in the design. The valve is unique, and before embarking on business with this company, I had their system investigated for intellectual property theft. It is unique. I love Tom's guns, I love the Epic, and I love the Edgun. I am uniquely positioned to sell what I love, things I want to own.
While I appreciate brand loyalty, it is odd when there is an effort to hurt a company before it exists. Remove your emotions for a minute, think about your dreams and your step in your business, and then think about David and his dreams, fears, and struggles to bring a new product to the market. Trust me, the USA is big enough for Tom to sell all the guns he can make, even if the Epic looks similar. Every airgun bullpup looks like the R2.5 Ed made in 2006; the Hatsan jet looks like the Leshiy to me. The FX Panthera Compact also looks like the Leshiy. So if you don't want an Epic, no problem, you can buy something else. More and more options are offered every year, and the sport has grown enough to support these new endeavors.

 

[Pnwairgunner]

my pouint is i have defended eipic and agree with what you say so why would they drag me into this over there i dont get it?
i am not going to worry about it just blind sided by it.
LOL

Hahahah there’s certainly a strong bias on the other forum to certain things and they police it however they want. I wouldn’t get too worked up over it. They sometimes don’t care for my posts either but it’s all good. I think perhaps some of the moderators struggle with literacy or something. So maybe just try to overlook it and not be offended when they do that because maybe they are just having extra trouble that day trying to sound out the words.

 

[Luis Leon]

Hahahah there’s certainly a strong bias on the other forum to certain things and they police it however they want. I wouldn’t get too worked up over it. They sometimes don’t care for my posts either but it’s all good. I think perhaps some of the moderators struggle with literacy or something. So maybe just try to overlook it and not be offended when they do that because maybe they are just having extra trouble that day trying to sound out the words.

There are “strong bias’ “ everywhere it seems. To be human ”is” to be bias… Some are easily offended if you don’t agree with them over their toys…. There is no need to cast aspersions on the other forum, AGN. Why are some here intent on creating friction. Both sites are beneficial to our airgunning community.