EVOL .30 cal and hybrids

[CTAirgunner]

I am thinking about picking up a 30 specifically just to shoot the fx hybrids/rmr slap slugs out of...

Who here has had good luck with them. Anyone have their "tune" documented? Shot count on said tune?

I'm thinking about this for a prs rig , got ideas brewing in my head.

As long as it's greater than 12 shots per fill I'm good.

Any insight would be great. Also speak up if you haven't had luck with them too please.

 

[Pumacarl]

Well, like we have already discussed, they are the single most accurate projectile of any kind, out of my Paradigm at 905fps. They area also the worst barrel fouling rounds that I have ever shot. I was only getting about 30 shots before I have to pull a patch to keep accuracy going. Once I knew that, being a low volume shooter, I became OK with it because the accuracy is there. Just something to plan for. I think that it is just something to test for. Bladebum said he can shoot a 1000 without any problems. Lucky! Because of the weather, and being busy, I haven't shot a lot with them lately. I did a major barrel barrel polish and will post back if I find the number between having to clean changed, when I finally shoot again.

 

[CTAirgunner]

Well, like we have already discussed, they are the single most accurate projectile of any kind, out of my Paradigm at 905fps. They area also the worst barrel fouling rounds that I have ever shot. I was only getting about 30 shots before I have to pull a patch to keep accuracy going. Once I knew that, being a low volume shooter, I became OK with it because the accuracy is there. Just something to plan for. I think that it is just something to test for. Bladebum said he can shoot a 1000 without any problems. Lucky! Because of the weather, and being busy, I haven't shot a lot with them lately. I did a major barrel barrel polish and will post back if I find the number between having to clean changed, when I finally shoot again.

Marc I do believe I have a work around for the fouling of the barrel and thats why I am thinking they will be a good choice.

I have an ultrasonic cleaner and I could in theory clean about 250 slugs at a time maybe 350 ish. I also have found while shooting my slayer that if I do as @Airgun-hobbyist suggested, loading my slugs WET with lube, I have almost no issues with fouling and thats a .358 155 grainer, so I would also do this just the same with this rifle, or any other rifle I decide to shoot slugs out of for that matter.


I found that I needed to run patches through my barrel in the slayer after 45ish rounds, once I started loading my magazines with wet slugs (I use FLP 10) , I was able to shoot a hundred or so before diminishing accuracy.

 

[Pumacarl]

Good to know! I have access to an ultrasonic cleaner too. If it ain't a winning secret, what solution do you clean them in?

 

[CTAirgunner]

Good to know! I have access to an ultrasonic cleaner too. If it ain't a winning secret, what solution do you clean them in?

I put the slugs/pellets in a plastic baggie and fill with water and dawn dish soap (to keep the dirty solution in the bag and not in my cleaner) then submerge that bag in the water already in the ultrasonic cleaner. I run it for 20 minutes at a warm temp, not too hot.

Then I strain them and run cold water through them to rinse them off. Air dry on those blue shop paper towels, once dry , in a plastic baggie they go and I then lube them heavy.

Honestly since he suggested I load slugs in my slayer wet, im never going back.

 

[Airgun-hobbyist]

Marc I do believe I have a work around for the fouling of the barrel and thats why I am thinking they will be a good choice.

I have an ultrasonic cleaner and I could in theory clean about 250 slugs at a time maybe 350 ish. I also have found while shooting my slayer that if I do as @Airgun-hobbyist suggested, loading my slugs WET with lube, I have almost no issues with fouling and thats a .358 155 grainer, so I would also do this just the same with this rifle, or any other rifle I decide to shoot slugs out of for that matter.


I found that I needed to run patches through my barrel in the slayer after 45ish rounds, once I started loading my magazines with wet slugs (I use FLP 10) , I was able to shoot a hundred or so before diminishing accuracy.

When accuracy starts falling off, try shooting through it for another magazine or more instead of pulling a patch. I've found that the wet barrel/slugs are self-cleaning and the accuracy comes right back.

 

[Pumacarl]

When accuracy starts falling off, try shooting through it for another magazine or more instead of pulling a patch. I've found that the wet barrel/slugs are self-cleaning and the accuracy comes right back.

Well, I can't comment on this yet because I have yet to try it, but I have never heard of accuracy coming back after dropping off. It will be very cool if it works for me, and have me kicking myself for spending all that time cleaning for nothing. Airgun-hobbyist, did you discover this for yourself or did someone tell you to try it? How dirty is your suppressor getting? When do you find that you can no longer keep shooting and have to clean? Sorry for so many questions but this is a new concept for me, that I would never had thought to try myself.

 

[Pumacarl]

Marc I do believe I have a work around for the fouling of the barrel and thats why I am thinking they will be a good choice.

I have an ultrasonic cleaner and I could in theory clean about 250 slugs at a time maybe 350 ish. I also have found while shooting my slayer that if I do as @Airgun-hobbyist suggested, loading my slugs WET with lube, I have almost no issues with fouling and thats a .358 155 grainer, so I would also do this just the same with this rifle, or any other rifle I decide to shoot slugs out of for that matter.


I found that I needed to run patches through my barrel in the slayer after 45ish rounds, once I started loading my magazines with wet slugs (I use FLP 10) , I was able to shoot a hundred or so before diminishing accuracy.

So, Kevin, after your 100 round accuracy drop off, have you tried shooting through it to see if accuracy would just come back? Am I missing something here, because that is what it sounds like Airgun-hobbyist is saying?

 

[CTAirgunner]

So, Kevin, after your 100 round accuracy drop off, have you tried shooting through it to see if accuracy would just come back? Am I missing something here, because that is what it sounds like Airgun-hobbyist is saying?

I haven't tried it yet but I think I may give it a go at some point, I only have my slayer to test this out with but I could. I just have to get out there.

 

[CTAirgunner]

I haven't tried it yet but I think I may give it a go at some point, I only have my slayer to test this out with but I could. I just have to get out there.

@Pumacarl the only thing I can say is, the wet slugs would be why this works obviously. And loading slugs wet is an absolute game changer.

 

[Pumacarl]

I am willing to try it too. I am just wondering about the wet slugs gumming up my magazine and making a mess of my suppressor core. It seems so counter to everything I have done in the past that I really owe it to myself to try it. My Paradigm has developed reg creep for the first time so I have to get some o-rings for it before I try anything else, but I will certainly be trying this.

 

[CTAirgunner]

I am willing to try it too. I am just wondering about the wet slugs gumming up my magazine and making a mess of my suppressor core. It seems so counter to everything I have done in the past that I really owe it to myself to try it. My Paradigm has developed reg creep for the first time so I have to get some o-rings for it before I try anything else, but I will certainly be trying this.

Good point on the magazines and suppressor. As far as my slayer suppressor goes I will be taking it apart tomorrow to check it, I have about 300 wet rounds through it now.

The magazines I haven't noticed anything but I'm going to inspect these too.

I'm ok with a little extra maintenance if the results are worth it. What I can say is cleaning the barrel is a lot easier.

 

[Bladebum]

I've been meaning to post about this, this thread looks like a good place. Some might recall that I shoot slugs mostly through my Evol 15" .22, and I usually can see accuracy start to change around a can of slugs(200 or so) then I need to run some patches. Well, this stuff here has changed all that, accuracy has been even better since lubing my slugs with this stuff. It used to be normal to look in my barrel and see lead deposits, sometimes even cleaning them out has been difficult. My barrel now is shiny and spotless, just from shooting the lubed slugs through no cleaning! A VERY small amount goes a long way. I've been using an old pellet can with a few drops on the foam then put about 100 slugs or so in and shake around. Im going to pick up some more RMR slugs and give them a good wash and lube and see if that helps or eliminates how bad they foul a barrel.

 

[Airgun-hobbyist]

@CTAirgunner @Pumacarl @Bladebum Yes, this "self cleaning" by continuing to shoot through a bad couple of groups and/or a few bad fliers is something that I have actually been witness to on several occasions. Let me explain... I tend to shoot a lot of ammo when I go to the range; easily shooting a hundred rounds on nice days and close to 50 minimum in the cold winter months in the Slayer, and even more with Evol. Not having a pull-through patch on a particular outing is how I figured it out that the wet ammo was self cleaning the bore. My continued shooting had shown that the wet slugs (in a polished accurate barrel) will remove the contaminant streak of lead then group sizing returns to remain consistent as tuned again. I've also discovered that cleaning a good shooting bore, for no other reason besides the "idea" that it should be cleaned, will effect accuracy. Having camera bore scoped several guns, they all look the same (with various amounts of shots) with little to no lead streaking at all. What is present is basically a dull grey bore with micro particles of lead that are filling the little voids on the barrel and rifling corners. This is shown by pulling a single tight patch; coming out slightly wet with a black graphite look, with some small shiny lead specs. The cleaning brings back the shiny, as polished bore, but not always accuracy until it gets lead/oiled back up.

As far as loading wet and having it "gumming up" the magazine and moderator goes, there's a couple of thoughts that you may find interesting. First, I use SuperLube pure silicone oil and without any additional oils added as carriers or penetrants. It isn't the most advanced slick oil for sure. But it is food grade. As food grade, it won't be putting micro particles of chemical stuff into the air that I don't know what will happen with me and other's there shooting. (And no smell either). Second, when I am done loading up a magazine I will wipe off excess oil with my fingers and put it in the magazine well "cleaned" so there'll be no issues with the building up of oil. When I get home from the range or from hunting I easily wipe my gun of any residual oil. It has never turned gummy on me. Third, and I think most importantly here is the gumming up of the moderator. Yes, it does do this to a small degree, but it is definitely not a gooey sludge. It simply contains the lead dust as a cement in corners and on low pressure areas where air flow is slow. And as an added bonus, the captive lead does show the beautiful flow characteristics of Tom's moderator insert on the Evol. Further, I would rather do the little bit of field stripping and hot soapy washing type of maintenance than have the higher percentage of dry micro lead dust pooping out of my barrel and into the wind at each shot.

 

[Pumacarl]

Thanks for the reply, and the tip, I will certainly be trying this!