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Thank you,Simply put, a plenum is the amount of potential energy reserved inside the regulated volume of air inside an airgun, measured by volume.
More plenum = more energy potential, however the potential of energy greatly tapers off once you exceed about 1.5CC per FPE.
See below as an example, given the same .25 cal gun with 90% bore porting and a 19.5" barrel, at 2000 psi the power curve here greatly tapers off after 1.5cc per fpe and almost flat lines above 2cc per fpe. A conservative goal would be around .8-1cc per fpe, but as you see, even .5 cc per FPE can go quite the long way...But with todays day and age of chasing dragons / peak performance, most manufacturers probably aim for greater than 1:1.
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What you will find is you will get the same FPE with a lower regulated air pressure. The plenum provides air to keep the pellet under acceleration longer in the barrel.Thank you,
I'm going to have study this as it is mostly above my head at the moment.
I'm shooting a 26" barrel with 18.1gr. Pellet at about 960 FPS and a 23gr. Slug at I think about 930 FPS.
So, not sure how to figure if a plenum would be of any benefit.
I'll add this, it may be obvious to many but maybe it will be helpful to your questions:I know nothing about them, so what is the point of an add on plenum. Besides adding weight and bulk?
What is the big draw?
The 1st GEN Avenger 25 cal as shown had a 12cc plenum which was very small so at the time there was an extender you could buy and I think it was 16cc so with the 2 it gave me 28cc of plenum along with making the valve port, barrel port and other work, was to make more air flow to take full advantage of the added plenum cc, started with a 42 fpe in stock form and ended up with 100 fpe, It was a laser beam.I know nothing about them, so what is the point of an add on plenum. Besides adding weight and bulk?
What is the big draw?
AirForce are the easiest when it comes to plenum. No poppet valve and a direct line from regulator to barrel.Thanks for all the input.
Sounds like I should leave this rifle alone.
Maybe later get a rifle to experiment with.
Yeah,go ahead and brag how big yours is!What you will find is you will get the same FPE with a lower regulated air pressure. The plenum provides air to keep the pellet under acceleration longer in the barrel.
Upshot is, keep the same current reg pressure and more power
Or
More shots because you can lower the reg pressure to keep the same FPE.
Optimal plenum is 3-4x barrel volume.
The issue with poppet valve guns is that the effective maximum plenum size varies. Depends upon a lot of variables
Poppet dwell
Poppet diameter
Transfer Port diameter
Turns between regulator and barrel
Etc.
The longer the poppet stays open, dwell, the larger a plenum can be used. Hammer spring and poppet spring are the two big variables there. But longer dwell means more air so shot count goes down.
Too big of a plenum could have hysteresis issue, where the plenum does not refill from a shot and the next shot has less air and less energy. But I have not encountered that and have some very big plenums 120cc and 240cc tubes...
What do we have ?
Condor and TalonWhat do we have ?
Very nice! Thank you for the info.Condor and Talon
1.1L Acecare Fat CF Bottle
Trajectron angled adapter
Huben Power U Adapter
Regulator 1/2 of a Cricket
20CM Shan Bao 3000psi (120cc) tube
M18-M18 extension
High Flow 8mmx5.5 Tophat
I have another version uses the Cricket Max-ATH with a 1.1L and a high flow tophat. That is 50cc plenum in the regulator.
The Dream Universal with the 19.5cc plenum was effective but the .25 with 24" barrel like a bigger plenum.
Nice combination of parts brother! You should get quite a few shots as well as max power.Condor and Talon
1.1L Acecare Fat CF Bottle
Trajectron angled adapter
Huben Power U Adapter
Regulator 1/2 of a Cricket
20CM Shan Bao 3000psi (120cc) tube
M18-M18 extension
High Flow 8mmx5.5 Tophat
I have another version uses the Cricket Max-ATH with a 1.1L and a high flow tophat. That is 50cc plenum in the regulator.
The Dream Universal with the 19.5cc plenum was effective but the .25 with 24" barrel like a bigger plenum.
On the .22 with the 18" barrel I think I was getting 160 shots from 4500 to 3500 with the reg at 1750psi. So 400 or so before I fall off the regulator.Nice combination of parts brother! You should get quite a few shots as well as max power.
My hand is sore just thinking about that many shots on a Airforce rifle! Better to have more than not enough.On the .22 with the 18" barrel I think I was getting 160 shots from 4500 to 3500 with the reg at 1750psi. So 400 or so before I fall off the regulator.
I cannot imagine 400 shots in one sitting through a Talon...
That is awesome.On the .22 with the 18" barrel I think I was getting 160 shots from 4500 to 3500 with the reg at 1750psi. So 400 or so before I fall off the regulator.
I cannot imagine 400 shots in one sitting through a Talon...
If you added a plenum to your barra it would let you drop reg pressure by 500psi to get the same speed as before.Thank you,
I'm going to have study this as it is mostly above my head at the moment.
I'm shooting a 26" barrel with 18.1gr. Pellet at about 960 FPS and a 23gr. Slug at I think about 930 FPS.
So, not sure how to figure if a plenum would be of any benefit.
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