When did HAM become like AGN?

[Madeintheuk]

I’ve posted some questions lately on HAM, and the answers I have been getting have been very similar to my time on AGN. Basically people make non constructive comments or giving any advice at all, instead being critical of the question itself or giving advice that makes no sense at all.

I came to HAM for a fresh start. Lots of like minded people here willing to lend a helping hand to a fellow airgunner. I took a hiatus for a number of months, and when I came back, I was shocked to see what HAM has become. Hopefully I’m wrong. I really would hate to see this place fall. There’s a lot of great people here.

 

[Hateful McNasty]

Maybe put a if your already a member at another forum need not apply clause ? Or if your a member of agn or other forum your restricted from membership here. I mean who do you think are members ? The same guys at every other place . Try GTA .. I "use to" be a active member there but ..lol. HAM and agn is far better forum anymore IMHO.

 

[Scriv]

Much like conversation some folks read to reply rather than to understand. We all make errors, I know I do, but should strive to do our best. To be honest it's sometimes difficult understand exactly what the author of the post is trying to say due to poor writing skills. I know that I've always wished mine were better than they are. In these instances I generally do not even respond. As much as I'd like to help, I can't help but think a response to a question that I don't understand is futile.
Now, watch me get flamed for that.

 

[pan60]

let not discus peoples writing skills, that's a pet peeve of mine. I have written many articles and used a editor do to my poor writing skills. I think Madeintheuk writing skills are far more then adequate to get the point across.
as to the topic I think you will have members that accupy all the platforms is it is going to build down to have the platform is managed.
I think here people get more freedom to express there views but also not going to let folks get run over with out a consequence.
at least that's what I feel

 

[Madeintheuk]

let not discus peoples writing skills, that's a pet peeve of mine. I have written many articles and used a editor do to my poor writing skills. I think Madeintheuk writing skills are far more then adequate to get the point across.
as to the topic I think you will have members that accupy all the platforms is it is going to build down to have the platform is managed.
I think here people get more freedom to express there views but also not going to let folks get run over with out a consequence.
at least that's what I feel

Unfortunately it’s not up to the moderation to fix the problem. It’s the people that frequent the forums. There used to be an etiquette of sorts based on a shared love of the hobby. That seems to have gone by the wayside recently, and it’s more about puffing your chest and trying to push your own opinions instead of giving solid help for a question asked. It’s sad it has to carry from forum to forum like a plague.

 

[pan60]

yes but the moderation is like unto and referee.
as with any forum you will find members that will be helpful and those that won't we can see this in a Walmart part lot as well.
just they way man is built I recon?

 

[Hateful McNasty]

Dang I think what makes my writing skills look good is comparing it too my math skills ..lol ..

 

[AtlasAirguns]

HAM is what you make of it. So is any other forum. The difference between HAM and other forms is not the users but the admin and moderators. But that is just my two cents. I mostly lurk.

What was the question that you needed help with? Do you have a link to the post

 

[Luis Leon]

I’ve posted some questions lately on HAM, and the answers I have been getting have been very similar to my time on AGN. Basically people make non constructive comments or giving any advice at all, instead being critical of the question itself or giving advice that makes no sense at all.

I came to HAM for a fresh start. Lots of like minded people here willing to lend a helping hand to a fellow airgunner. I took a hiatus for a number of months, and when I came back, I was shocked to see what HAM has become. Hopefully I’m wrong. I really would hate to see this place fall. There’s a lot of great people here.

Shocked to see some of the same contributors posting here… Why paint an entire site with a broad brush as opposed to calling out those being unhelpful? Or simply hit the ignore button on the offenders, this way you don’t have to endure their non constructive comments.

 

[Hateful McNasty]

Shocked to see some of the same contributors posting here… Why paint an entire site with a broad brush as opposed to calling out those being unhelpful? Or simply hit the ignore button on the offenders, this way you don’t have to endure their non constructive comments.

Then you miss out on the ones that's not ..lol

One guy did just recently ..

Ignore button what a sad joke of a feature..

 

[Pumacarl]

I don't know what problem you've had or with who, but I know that I am always saying something that people disagree with, but so what. Just say what you want to say honestly and with conviction and let the chips fall where they may. It's too tiring to be careful and mindful of everyone else's sensibilities all the time, if they don't like you they can block you, and vice versa. HAM is the only forum that I know of where you can actually state an opinion, an earned opinion, and they don't delete your post because an advertiser's feelings were hurt, or the owners of whatever you gave an opinion on.

If someone is giving you flak for asking a question or being dismissive pm me and I will join the conversation BIG TIME! I am getting tired of this happening at forum after forum. I am not going to watch it happen quietly this time.

 

[Luis Leon]

Then you miss out on the ones that's not ..lol

One guy did just recently ..

Ignore button what a sad joke of a feature..

Miss out on what exactly? If the OP posts up a legitimate question and some chime in with unhelpful answers. Its the OPs right to block or ignore those members if they so wish… I had one member here on the ignore list, the only time I’ve ever done that anywhere. Just got tired of the non constructive banter… Have since un ignored the person to simply be amused by their constant diatribe…

 

[Madeintheuk]

Thing is, I’m not looking for features on the site to deal with the issues. I’m trying to start a conversation between people here to realize that maybe it’s more constructive and friendly to answer the honest questions at hand, instead of give bs comments that are useless and totally out of left field. I’m not throwing anyone under the bus, if you’re interested in my motives, look through my recent threads and make your own conclusions.

 

[FL22]

I don't know what problem you've had or with who, but I know that I am always saying something that people disagree with, but so what. Just say what you want to say honestly and with conviction and let the chips fall where they may. It's too tiring to be careful and mindful of everyone else's sensibilities all the time, if they don't like you they can block you, and vice versa. HAM is the only forum that I know of where you can actually state an opinion, an earned opinion, and they don't delete your post because an advertiser's feelings were hurt, or the owners of whatever you gave an opinion on.

If someone is giving you flak for asking a question or being dismissive pm me and I will join the conversation BIG TIME! I am getting tired of this happening at forum after forum. I am not going to watch it happen quietly this time.

Since the site is acting up and I can’t “like” your post, I will spell it out.

I wholeheartedly agree with your statement.

I would like it if @Madeintheuk would open up and discuss the specifics of the issue(s) he is having.

Perhaps as a collective we can all get it worked out and keep HAM going in the right direction.

 

[Pumacarl]

Thing is, I’m not looking for features on the site to deal with the issues. I’m trying to start a conversation between people here to realize that maybe it’s more constructive and friendly to answer the honest questions at hand, instead of give bs comments that are useless and totally out of left field. I’m not throwing anyone under the bus, if you’re interested in my motives, look through my recent threads and make your own conclusions.

I did just go back and read some of your posts and I just think that this is a miscommunication problem. I am constantly being misunderstood too, because when you try to convey points or subtle humor on the internet, it gets lost fast. Yes, some people do just want to chime in, it's a public forum and some people just want to chat, deal with it. The forum being too friendly or not serious enough for you, isn't really comparable to the problems over at AGN.

Just know this, this ain't a work place, nobody owes you anything, this a place people come to for a lot of reasons to enjoy their hobby, that's it. People can and will be helpful when they can and when it is not too much of a bother for them, because this is for amusement and distraction only. If they can't be helpful with your problem they might just throw in some levity to the situation. The average age around here is 60 and retired or close to it.

If you only want serious hard-corp answers and discussion you are probably going to have to start your own forum, or just put up with AGN, because they do have a lot specialty threads.

But if anybody gives you or anyone else true grief I will certainly help out if I can.

 

[Luis Leon]

@Madeintheuk, calling out posters who contribute “nothing” to the question you originally posted? Is not throwing them under the bus… Why not simply filter out those wasting your time via the ignore button? Oops I may be on that ignore list… So you might not be seeing this post… Hope you got your original question answered…

 

[pan60]

ignore features are for snowflakes ; o

 

[Danman]

look through my recent threads and make your own conclusions.

So I did just that, and found 3 threads started by yourself somewhat recently. The only thing I saw that stood out was you flipping out @Airgun-hobbyist about what I thought was a pretty good response to your Evol upgrade question?! Then there's the Hw100 thread with @Hateful McNasty just being himself (no real explanation needed) and one asking Vet owners how they liked their guns, esp with slugs....no one attacked your question or didn't take you seriously on that one either?? I browse AGN here and there for info I may need....there is definitely some "attackers" but they usually get put in their place by others or are ignored, etc.I find myself agreeing with @Pumacarl. I'm on Ham to learn, talk airguns, banter a bit, & help out my fellow airgunners if I can!

 

[Peskådot671]

I'll just come out and say it. You can be a little touchy at times. You can take it however you want. I've been on the bad end of one of your threads at AGN, so I know what people are talking about.

 

[Luis Leon]

ignore features are for snowflakes ; o

Snowflakes… for choosing to block out those who just “garbage up” a thread with useless, unhelpful posts? I only used it once… Guess I fit your “snowflakes” demographic…