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PCP Airgun Fill Connector Incompatibilities

PCP Airgun Fill Connector Incompatibilities

This PCP Airgun Fill Connector Incompatibilities post is the second in a three-part series. It is an up-dated version of an investigation that was originally published in Hard Air Magazine back in 2022.

So why are we looking at this topic again? There’s two reasons.

Firstly, as ever more PCP air rifles are sold, more enthusiastic, new airgun shooters will encounter issues related to PCP airgun fill connector incompatibilities. The problems have not gone away, they are being discovered every day by newcomers to our interest. This series is intended to help them – maybe you!

Secondly, it’s just in the nature of Internet publishing that historic posts become less easy to find – even if they are about important issues that are still relevant. So, it’s time to raise this topic back into improved visibility. Here we go again…



PCP Airgun Fill Connector Incompatibilities – Background​


Why Some HPA Fittings Don’t Fit


In order to understand PCP airgun fill connectors – particularly why some fittings don’t fit – the HAM Team measured no less than 108 male and 73 female quick disconnects. By analyzing this hard data, we were able to draw some basic conclusions.

1. There are no standard, published specifications for PCP airgun fittings.

2. PCP fittings are often described as “paintball standard”, “1/8-Inch NPT Quick Disconnects”, or “Foster fittings”. But none of these terms has a precise, specified, or documented definition. They are all just generic terms.

3. With ANY manufactured product, there WILL be variations between individual samples of “the same” part. These manufacturing tolerances mean that the actual size of any part may vary from the design specification – sometimes significantly.

4. For this analysis, HAM has measured JUST ONE DIMENSION for each of the male and female quick disconnects. This is – we believe – the most critical dimension that governs if males and females will fit together.

However a full engineering analysis of all the dimensions for both connectors should be made to completely understand the issue. This is beyond the HAM Team’s capabilities. It’s an issue for the whole airgun industry…


PCP Airgun Fill Connector Incompatibilities – Measurements​


To understand the issue, we measured the Outside Diameter (O/D) of the male fittings.

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In addition, we measured the corresponding Inside Diameter (I/D) of the balls inside the female fitting – with the collar out. That’s the largest I/D the female can accommodate.

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Then we plotted all the measurements onto this chart. The female measurements are in red, males are in green. Both O/Ds and I/Ds are measured in Thousandths of an Inch, the left (y) axis of the chart.

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Let’s now take a close-up look at the left side of the chart. Here we can see that the largest male measurements (mainly 309 Thou) are just 1 Thou less than that of the smallest female I/Ds. That’s close to being a very tight fit!

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Statistically, it’s likely that – if we had a larger sample size – we would find some males that have the same O/D as the smallest female I/D. These would not fit.

Indeed one male O/D was 313 Thou. It’s the red line on the far left. That’s much larger than the smallest female I/D.

In fact, as you look across the chart, you can see that it’s larger than the majority of the female I/Ds. So, it will not fit any female with an I/D of less than 314 Thou. And – relatively speaking – there’s not many of them with a large enough I/D.

So now we can see why some HPA fittings don’t fit.


PCP Airgun Fill Connector Incompatibilities – “Known Good” Measurements​


First let’s look at some Crosman male fittings. We know that Crosman has this issue under good control.

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From this, we see that the design spec for the O/D is 306 Thou. Actual production parts vary between 303 and 309 Thou. In fact, this range covered all the males HAM measured – except one. That was the Snowpeak male fill probe.

Now we can look at the Foster females. Note that we measured 16 genuine Foster parts. The additional 57 females we measured came from other manufacturers. That explains the spread of female I/Ds beyond the range of 311 – 315 Thou we measured for the Foster parts.

The design spec for the Foster female I/D looks to be 312 or 313 Thou.

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HAM’s conclusion from these “known good” parts is that the difference between the DESIGN SPECS for the Crosman males and Foster females is 5 or 6 Thou. (312 or 313 Thou minus 306 Thou).

Allowing for manufacturing variability between the largest Crosman O/D (309 Thou) and the smallest Foster I/D (311 Thou), that difference is just 2 Thousandths of an Inch. That’s small, although OK for our purposes.

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But – as we saw above – that difference came down to 1 Thou with some of the “non Foster” females. Now that’s getting tight!

And with a larger sample size, we’ll inevitably see greater manufacturing variability. Now there’s going to be situations where HPA fittings don’t fit.


What If Your PCP Fill Connectors Don’t Fit?​


Sadly, the only answer is to try a different combination of fittings :-(

Based on this HAM analysis, we’d suggest you measure the O/D of the male fitting using a digital caliper. Then you can compare that measurement against the numbers in this HAM story.

Now at least you’ll have an idea of how likely you are to find a corresponding female that will fit the male you have.

As we’ve said before, the real answer lies in the hands of the industry. However, as ever more people start to use PCP airguns, these PCP fill connector incompatibilities are likely to become an ever-larger issue.


The post PCP Airgun Fill Connector Incompatibilities appeared first on Hard Air Magazine.
 
It’s definitely a pain. I have several XL connectors that won’t fit the Foster connector on my Sonoran, including one I just bought from UA.
When I purchased my Sniper from AOA, I had them send me the extended female fitting with a male foster that seems to work well with the GX compressor connector.

It’s a Best Fitting UK brand and I haven’t had any issues with using it on my Wolverine or Contour as well.
 
When I purchased my Sniper from AOA, I had them send me the extended female fitting with a male foster that seems to work well with the GX compressor connector.

It’s a Best Fitting UK brand and I haven’t had any issues with using it on my Wolverine or Contour as well.
I got one from AOA when I bought my Ghost and it has worked on all of my airguns until two weeks ago. Now it leaks like a sieve. I guess I might have to replace the o-ring.
 
I have BRk, AirArms, FX, Umarex, and Benjamin. The hoses from air tanks plus (ATP) and made in USA hoses work fine. My Airacuda max, it won’t connect with the US hoses, the male fitting on it is too big. Gotta use a Chinese fitting on it. I have a Walther that had a chromed brass male fitting adapter that quickly showed concerns with wear where the coupler balls fit. I replaced it with a stainless one. I source fittings and hoses from Best Fittings or ATP normally, with good results. I haven’t tried to source a better fitting for the Airacuda yet, not looking forward to that.
 

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