Others Greetings from DIANA Germany

[Sydney Monk]

Dear airgun enthusiasts
This is DIANA Airguns from Germany. We just want to say hello to everybody in this new community and let you know that we are also listed here. Do not hesitate to contact us. Take care and cheers.

I have a Diana 34 and love it. Thanks for making really great airguns. Welcome to HAM.

 

[Roamin Greco 1]

I assume this is the one being this gets brought up a lot

So just explain it here to use all on that screws purpose

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Thanks

That's the one! Thanks for contributing the picture to the discussion! What is that fat screw for? What is it designed to do? Diana engineers, please enlighten us!

 

[Roamin Greco 1]

Dear valued customer,
can you send us pictures by e-mail (info@diana-airguns.de)?
Normally the 11mm rail is fixed on the cylinder with three identical screws and additionally pressed on it.
Best regards,

Diana, please see Hateful McNasty's reply for the picture of what I mentioned in my post. Thanks!

 

[Hateful McNasty]

 

[Hoppalong Doc]

Hello there. I have a technical question that I have been wondering about for a long time: In Diana spring piston airguns, the scope rail is attached to the gun with several countersunk screws that are flush with or even a little below the level of the top of the rail, EXCEPT, the one fat screw that sits at the rear of the rail. A lot of folks over the years thought that was a scope stop pin, but then the recoil would cause their scope rings to move and shear off the head of that screw. What IS that screw designed to do? Thanks!

I have a Model 24J, a 24D, 36, and a 350 Magnum that all have that fat screw sitting up there.

ROAMIN GRECO: Welcome to our HAM family. This is the forum for asking questions and receiving straight answers (mostly). The decorm on HAM is appreciative of one another and willing to help. I'm sure that you'll discover some familiar names over here as well. Orv.

 

[Roamin Greco 1]

ROAMIN GRECO: Welcome to our HAM family. This is the forum for asking questions and receiving straight answers (mostly). The decorm on HAM is appreciative of one another and willing to help. I'm sure that you'll discover some familiar names over here as well. Orv.

Thanks, Orv. I guess now I have two airgun families with some of the same relatives.... Ha!

 

[Roamin Greco 1]

I assume this is the one being this gets brought up a lot

So just explain it here to use all on that screws purpose

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Thanks

I went ahead and sent Diana an email with your picture attached. We will see. You know what would be great? If you could just unscrew the Diana rail and replace it with a Weaver or Picatinny rail without all the extra height of an adaptor rail. I have a 360 Magnum that needs such treatment. I wonder what they meant by the rail being "pressed" on as well as screwed on?

 

[Hateful McNasty]

Ya... But no like he said them " Phillips head screws " are bradded in / mushroomed like a rivit and you could go inside the tube and grind/ file that off flush and back them out . If you just try to unscrew them it will waller out the holes and or damage the receiver tube ..
So it could be done but it's a careful job doing so ..

Most just add a rail on top of that factory rail to prevent that scope slip and no them shallow holes . Like a add on picanilly or weaver ..

Kinda like showed here

Before

After.
Just what ever 11mm add on you like I guess

 

[Roamin Greco 1]

Ya... But no like he said them " Phillips head screws " are bradded in / mushroomed like a rivit and you could go inside the tube and grind/ file that off flush and back them out . If you just try to unscrew them it will waller out the holes and or damage the receiver tube ..
So it could be done but it's a careful job doing so ..

Most just add a rail on top of that factory rail to prevent that scope slip and no them shallow holes . Like a add on picanilly or weaver ..

Kinda like showed here

Before
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After.
Just what ever 11mm add on you like I guess

BTW, how do I call you? Hateful? Mr. McNasty? That sort of has a cool ring to it....

Back to your comment. Here's the issue I have with my Diana 350 Magnum. The scope it came with is so HIGH. Here's what I have to resort to to see through the scope. Sorry for the poor picture. I'll try to get a better one. And thanks for telling me about the screws. I would have tried to unscrew them.

 

[Hateful McNasty]

Ya, scoping a springer is something ..

I see you already got the rail on . Have you tried to see if a low ring could work . Ones your using look more to medium hight . Between busting scopes , mounts , ect on mine you notice I prefer shooting irons / opensighted ..

One other issue on my stuff is the athlon has that bong plug that sticks out and I can't use certin medium rings/ mounts and can't at all use low ..


Ya, that Diana 350 mag is tough on scoping .. you may scan around gateway to airguns in German gate and find more tips there .. lot of springer guys and history threads to look over on added tips or whatnot especially on this subject ..lol

THing I don't get and hw is same is all the many years of these same issues and never do anything to correct or improve it .. just keep making it as like 50 years ago ..lol.

 

[Danman]

BTW, how do I call you? Hateful? Mr. McNasty? That sort of has a cool ring to it....

Back to your comment. Here's the issue I have with my Diana 350 Magnum. The scope it came with is so HIGH. Here's what I have to resort to to see through the scope. Sorry for the poor picture. I'll try to get a better one. And thanks for telling me about the screws. I would have tried to unscrew them.

I agree with Hateful....your scope is jacked! Get some quality low mounts and try them. The 350 magnum is tough period, My dad's is irons and all stock, brothers is scoped, tuned with vortex kit and honestly the stock one shakes itself apart worse. Cool thing to try is slugs from them! If you can hold the beast steady you may get good groups with the 10.03gr JSB KO slugs. With the tune kit my brothers pushes em 920fps and very accurate!!!...Never woulda thought.

 

[Roamin Greco 1]

I agree with Hateful....your scope is jacked! Get some quality low mounts and try them. The 350 magnum is tough period, My dad's is irons and all stock, brothers is scoped, tuned with vortex kit and honestly the stock one shakes itself apart worse. Cool thing to try is slugs from them! If you can hold the beast steady you may get good groups with the 10.03gr JSB KO slugs. With the tune kit my brothers pushes em 920fps and very accurate!!!...Never woulda thought.

Mine's in .22, but thanks for the tip. Why not try some slugs?

 

[Roamin Greco 1]

I agree with Hateful....your scope is jacked! Get some quality low mounts and try them. The 350 magnum is tough period, My dad's is irons and all stock, brothers is scoped, tuned with vortex kit and honestly the stock one shakes itself apart worse. Cool thing to try is slugs from them! If you can hold the beast steady you may get good groups with the 10.03gr JSB KO slugs. With the tune kit my brothers pushes em 920fps and very accurate!!!...Never woulda thought.

Come to think, I can switch scopes with another Hawke 2-7 x 40 on another airgun that I can get even lower. I will have to try some low rings. I will have a drawer full of rings before I'm done, I think. Why, "low" or "medium"? Why not 4mm above the rail?

 

[Hateful McNasty]

As danman says
That may be worth a try on slugs . In .22 you got a few choices and enough gun .

If you go to the scope and ring manufacturer they usually show a diagram with measurements to help choes a scope and ring to best fit the need instead of guessing ...

Examples

 

[Roamin Greco 1]

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Now I understand your meaning better, HM. No response from Diana, either here or to my direct email. Without good customer relations, I don't see Diana surviving long. Pity another company with a wonderful legacy...ruined. Why did they even start this thread if they are not going to monitor it? Why have a customer service email if no one is home to answer it? Of course, there are rhetorical questions; no answer is needed.

 

[Hateful McNasty]

Now I understand your meaning better, HM. No response from Diana, either here or to my direct email. Without good customer relations, I don't see Diana surviving long. Pity another company with a wonderful legacy...ruined. Why did they even start this thread if they are not going to monitor it? Why have a customer service email if no one is home to answer it? Of course, there are rhetorical questions; no answer is needed.

Lol... Ya.. anymore it's nothing but a racket... You get there junk and they got your money .. especially all these "guns" you can't even shoot standalone out of the box without buying more to hope you can .. lol. Folks pay thousands for that ..

 

[Joey 69]

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when my wife and i were in Colorado last year there was a car in the parking lot that had a big dent in the door
and the mirror smashed off, when he noticed me looking he said a tumble weed hit him on the freeway, i was amazed, I would not want to get hit by one.!!

 

[Hateful McNasty]

when my wife and i were in Colorado last year there was a car in the parking lot that had a big dent in the door
and the mirror smashed off, when he noticed me looking he said a tumble weed hit him on the freeway, i was amazed, I would not want to get hit by one.!!

I guess that's why you see tumbleweeds drifting around all alone desolate... Everything knows to stay far away from them ..

 

[DIANA Airguns (official)]

I assume this is the one being this gets brought up a lot

So just explain it here to use all on that screws purpose

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Thanks

Hey DIANA fans

Thanks for your questions about the scope rail or in detail about the big screw at its end. To make it short – you are correct. Its function is the scope stop pin as a more or less good solution due to the wear of the screw after a few shots. However this was an explicit wish of RWS which DIANA follows. So this big screw was not the standard for DIANA airguns other than sold in USA. Hope this enriches your DIANA knowledge. Stay inquisitive. Greetings from Germany.

 

[Roamin Greco 1]

Hey DIANA fans

Thanks for your questions about the scope rail or in detail about the big screw at its end. To make it short – you are correct. Its function is the scope stop pin as a more or less good solution due to the wear of the screw after a few shots. However this was an explicit wish of RWS which DIANA follows. So this big screw was not the standard for DIANA airguns other than sold in USA. Hope this enriches your DIANA knowledge. Stay inquisitive. Greetings from Germany.

Thank you for your response. We know from many experiences that scope movement on the rail will shear off this big screw. I am wondering if a stronger screw would hold up to the recoil or would the metal in the scope rail fail. What type of metal is the scope rail made from? Thank you.

Also have you ever considered replacing the traditional scope rail with a picatinny or Weaver style rail with horizontal cuts that would act as scope stops and compatible with a huge number of scope rings? This would eliminate the adapter needed to properly scope these rifles and keep the scopes low where they belong.