Ghost Struggling to get good enough 100 yard accuracy.

[Airgunsruinedmylife]

Well, I’ve been tuning a BRK Ghost in .25cal for extreme benchrest. The numbers are great, but the accuracy down range isn’t. I’ve been shooting the 33 grainers from 880-930 with about the same results. Some speeds are worse than others. Oddly enough the FX branded 33 grainers shoot the best, but not nearly enough to be competitive.

I’m thinking a barrel polish is the next step. I noticed rust in the barrel when just using a pull through. Any tips would be awesome!

 

[Florida_Man]

What are your average groups? And what are you getting from other platforms? I'm guessing the groups are done in optimum conditions (no wind.) I'm really not trying to be critical of your shooting, but the human factor is a major factor. Are you incrementally shooting groups from 25 yards and then out? What distance do the groups start opening up?
I'm really not trying to be insulting, the human factor is a major consideration and you haven't explained what you have done to make a determination it is the rifle.

 

[Luis Leon]

What is “good enough” 100 yard accuracy in inches. What’s your benchrest setup, gun setting, targets, etc.? What do your 25 and 50 yards groups look like in inches? The major variable in most shooting setups? The man looking through the scope…

 

[Airgunsruinedmylife]

What are your average groups? And what are you getting from other platforms? I'm guessing the groups are done in optimum conditions (no wind.) I'm really not trying to be critical of your shooting, but the human factor is a major factor. Are you incrementally shooting groups from 25 yards and then out? What distance do the groups start opening up?
I'm really not trying to be insulting, the human factor is a major consideration and you haven't explained what you have done to make a determination it is the rifle.

Around 2”, with the best being a 1.5”. I don’t think it’s my shooting. I’ll pick up my Panthera and shoot 1” groups with the sorted .22 monster redesigns. Shoots fine at 30 yards and all the testing has been done in low wind conditions. I’ll do some shorter distance testing tonight. 50 and 75 yards.

 

[Florida_Man]

You can set these up at any distance, but I find them incredibly useful.

 

[Airgunsruinedmylife]

What is “good enough” 100 yard accuracy in inches. What’s your benchrest setup, gun setting, targets, etc.? What do your 25 and 50 yards groups look like in inches? The major variable in most shooting setups? The man looking through the scope…

At least MOA when competing at extreme bench rest. I’m shooting off of a Accutac bipod and a rear bag. I’ll do some testing tonight at shorter distances. I do much better with my panthera shooting sorted MRDs. Didn’t have this issue with my M3 either.

 

[Luis Leon]

At least MOA when competing at extreme bench rest. I’m shooting off of a Accutac bipod and a rear bag. I’ll do some testing tonight at shorter distances. I do much better with my panthera shooting sorted MRDs. Didn’t have this issue with my M3 either.

It could simply be that the other platforms suit your shooting style, as witnessed by you doing better with them as opposed to the Ghost.

 

[ctshooter]

First off - I am no knocking Daystate or BRK with this post - just stating facts.

I had a Daystate Alpha Wolf for a few years and I never had any good luck at 100 yards with it. Some of it I think is the barrel supported by an o-ring in the middle - but you can now get the block to lock in in if you want. The other things are the barrels - I think there may be some good ones out there but the .25 barrel I received was a mess. I was never able to get less than 3" or so out at 100 yards. When I finally got a borescope and looked down it I will say the thing looked like someone had taken a metal file to it.

Sold that Wolf and went back to a Red Wolf. MOA at 100 yards is not a given, but it's not uncommon either.

 

[Airgunsruinedmylife]

First off - I am no knocking Daystate or BRK with this post - just stating facts.

I had a Daystate Alpha Wolf for a few years and I never had any good luck at 100 yards with it. Some of it I think is the barrel supported by an o-ring in the middle - but you can now get the block to lock in in if you want. The other things are the barrels - I think there may be some good ones out there but the .25 barrel I received was a mess. I was never able to get less than 3" or so out at 100 yards. When I finally got a borescope and looked down it I will say the thing looked like someone had taken a metal file to it.

Sold that Wolf and went back to a Red Wolf. MOA at 100 yards is not a given, but it's not uncommon either.

Yeah, I don’t really feel like putting more money into the setup. I’ll try that new barrel clamp system and that’s it. I’m tempted to go back to an Impact, but I really don’t want to go that route either. Never had an issue getting MOA at 100 yards with my impacts.

 

[Luis Leon]

“Getting MOA” as opposed to “consistently shooting multiple MOA groups”? I believe, though I’m no expert, that consistent, repeatable 1 MOA, 5 shot groups at 100 with a pellet gun is unrealistic for the majority of shooters…

Cole is an exceptional shooter so…

The elusive airgun that AVERAGES 100 yard sub moa groups.

I've been chasing long range airgun accuracy for 4 or 5 years now. And mostly trying to do it with relatively low power setups. The combined variables of "long range" and "low power" make it quite the challenge. While I do stretch out the distance shooting pests to much further, the metric for...

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[Airgunsruinedmylife]

“Getting MOA” as opposed to “consistently shooting multiple MOA groups”? I believe, though I’m no expert, that consistent, repeatable 1 MOA, 5 shot groups at 100 with a pellet gun is unrealistic for the majority of shooters…

Cole is an exceptional shooter so…

The elusive airgun that AVERAGES 100 yard sub moa groups.

I've been chasing long range airgun accuracy for 4 or 5 years now. And mostly trying to do it with relatively low power setups. The combined variables of "long range" and "low power" make it quite the challenge. While I do stretch out the distance shooting pests to much further, the metric for...

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Consistently shooting MOA groups. Sorry about that.

 

[Solo1]

Have you pushed a pellet thru the barrel? If not thats what i would suggest and if it feels rough or has tight spots id get out the polish! I know i polished my 25 and it will shootmoa when calm

 

[Airgunsruinedmylife]

That’s my next step. The barrel had some rust in it. I’m gonna give it a clean with a bore mop and solvent first. Then give it about 20 passes with some JB bore paste.

 

[Florida_Man]

The next barrel I have issue with, I am going to try this method @Sub 12 airgunners . I've used barrel mops with JB in the past.

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[Solo1]

That’s my next step. The barrel had some rust in it. I’m gonna give it a clean with a bore mop and solvent first. Then give it about 20 passes with some JB bore paste.

Push a pellet thru too it will tell you a lot!

 

[Danman]

Solo1 is right, and yes Cole (@Franklink) is helping me with my .22 Ghosts accuracy right now. I could pull it out right now and I can't bloomin tell you where the pellets will hit, I literally can't! My S510 will be dead nuts and my TX will be a little low first shot or 2 than pure money. My Ghost struggles to stay consistent plain and simple. 100Y? not a chance. I just went all in on the barrel (bought some bore mops, pellet lube, ball bearing pusher tool, patches, JB bore paste, and some other goodies). The Ghost LW barrels seem to be a bit rougher cut and many of them need that barrel polishing apparently! He also advised me to ensure collar and shroud are AWAY from the frame, about a Credit Cards width to be exact. I will be documenting my results to be sure I was raving about my Ghost for a month or 2 now it's struggling.

 

[Franklink]

“Getting MOA” as opposed to “consistently shooting multiple MOA groups”? I believe, though I’m no expert, that consistent, repeatable 1 MOA, 5 shot groups at 100 with a pellet gun is unrealistic for the majority of shooters…

Cole is an exceptional shooter so…

The elusive airgun that AVERAGES 100 yard sub moa groups.

I've been chasing long range airgun accuracy for 4 or 5 years now. And mostly trying to do it with relatively low power setups. The combined variables of "long range" and "low power" make it quite the challenge. While I do stretch out the distance shooting pests to much further, the metric for...

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Realistically, an airgun that averages or even consistently shoots MOA @ 100 yards is a rare bird. And I say that from lotsa guns and lotsa barrels, vast majority of them high end.

Sure, guys will post their 100 yard exceptional five shot group here and there, but the other 90-95% of groups they're shooting is not that good.

Leaded up barrels can mess it up. Poor reads with the wind can mess it up. Bad batches of pellets can mess it up. Operator can mess it up in more ways than just reading the wind incorrectly.

If the gun is producing consistent shot strings and accuracy still isn't there, I tend to focus on the barrel. I've yet to come across a lothar barrel that couldn't be improved with some polishing. Less aggressive (safest) way is via JB bore paste. More aggressive (quicker) way is via my much more abrasive agents like 280 grit clover. A barrel can be ruined with the serious stuff, but can also be vastly improved. I don't recommend anybody taking 280 grit lapping compound to their only barrel of a Ghost or Alpha/Delta for their first time trying to improve a barrel.

Gunzilla is an awesome lube, but also an amazing lead remover. Leaded up chokes are a common reason a prior good shooting gun can become a poor shooter. Especially with higher powered guns. Something about higher powered guns makes them lead up more. I've got 19fpe guns that just keep shooting good, with only occasional minor cleanings. But most of my experience with high powered (50+ fpe) guns require a more stringent cleansing protocol. Figuring out that required cleaning process and interval for the higher power guns is part of the recipe for reliable long range accuracy. And it's different for every barrel/projectile/speed combination.

 

[PasadenaMike]

As much as I dislike the FX Impact because of its infinite adjustment, those infinite adjustments are also why they dominate 100 yard plus shots. You can super fine tune the gun down to the T to achieve winning results all it takes is 12000 pellets, unlimited air and lots of range time. There’s a gun for every discipline.

 

[Hateful McNasty]

Don't forget pictures .

They say there worth a 1000 words ..

 

[jps2486]

Of all the guns I've shot at 100 yards, the .25 is my least favorite. I can shoot my RAW .177 at close to MOA (not always). and my 22 and 30 cal Impacts. Pellets are very sensitive to wind, so if there's a little breeze, then the groups will spread out. I don't see too many people shooting 25s at EBR.