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[Elexious Musick]

Well, get a 362 to hold you over. Great pumper!

The 100th Anniversary wood stock version or the polymer stock one? Both seem like home runs to me!

 

[Farmplinker2]

The 100th Anniversary wood stock version or the polymer stock one? Both seem like home runs to me!

I have 2 polys. Love them, but the anniversary definitely looks better!

 

[Elexious Musick]

Hello All!

My name is Phillip Guadalupe, Senior Product Manager for Velocity Outdoor. I have been with the company for almost 10yrs come this November. Over the last decade I have had my hand in most of our product categories but I specialize in the Hunting Airgun side of the business for Benjamin and Crosman brands. Feel free to reach out with any questions you may have.

Best Regards,
Phillip

Hi Phillip,

Well, it's looks like a particular YouTube airgunner is claiming not all the Crosman 362 100th Anniversary Edition models have been made and the higher serial number ones are lacking in quality control, especially the wood stocks. He says they are most likely produced by unskilled labor, off shore or something to that effect, on a special order basis, something not on-hand. I did see photos of a 362 wood stock that looked substandard but mine #1004 is virtually perfect. Is there any truth to what OTSA is saying? He can be quite annoying at times, lol!

Attached photos of my 362 100th Anniversary Edition. I absolutely love mine!

Sincerely,

Ed Musick

 

[Pguadalupe]

Hey Ed

The 362 is built in American but we do get the stocks made in Turkey. They make the wood stocks for the Benjamin Marauder and the craftsman series of rifles. So there will be some variation from stock to stock. When it comes to the stocks most of them will look good and then you will have a bunch that look really amazing because of the exotic grain pattern and etc. That is the stuff people spend a lot of money for regular firearms but that’s because they were typically hand selected and special picked out of lots for that. Can’t guarantee that without jacking up the price tag just for the stock.

As far as build qty we’re only building 2023 pcs but they build them in batches so not all at once. Its not one of my projects so I don’t know all of the details.

 

[Elexious Musick]

Hey Ed

The 362 is built in American but we do get the stocks made in Turkey. They make the wood stocks for the Benjamin Marauder and the craftsman series of rifles. So there will be some variation from stock to stock. When it comes to the stocks most of them will look good and then you will have a bunch that look really amazing because of the exotic grain pattern and etc. That is the stuff people spend a lot of money for regular firearms but that’s because they were typically hand selected and special picked out of lots for that. Can’t guarantee that without jacking up the price tag just for the stock.

As far as build qty we’re only building 2023 pcs but they build them in batches so not all at once. Its not one of my projects so I don’t know all of the details.

Hi Phillip,

The stock on my 362 100th Anniversary looks great and the overall quality of the gun is excellent. I figured the stocks were sourced from Turkey, Turkish Walnut, I read about the connection elsewhere, but thanks for the confirmation.

Phillip, is there anyway to find out if the entire batch of 2,023 have been produced yet? Like I said, this one person is claiming overall quality, not just the wood stocks, has diminished because the production work has been offshored by Crosman bean counters and are being made on an as needed basis.

Thanks,

Ed

 

[Pguadalupe]

I know we have not built them all just don’t know the qty. we started late last year and we build them in batches as needed. Build quality should be the same from #0001 to #2023 because we specifically delayed things for so long because we wanted to make sure everything was perfect. We had to resolve a few quality issues but it was resolved prior to launch. I would be shock that the line would have passed anything through that they were not proud of.

I’m not sure what video he put out or what specific comment were made in regards to the substandard quality so I’m just talking in general. I would also we typically have the same people building on the product lines because we try I keep things consistent but occasionally we floaters.

 

[Moose]

Hello All!

My name is Phillip Guadalupe, Senior Product Manager for Velocity Outdoor. I have been with the company for almost 10yrs come this November. Over the last decade I have had my hand in most of our product categories but I specialize in the Hunting Airgun side of the business for Benjamin and Crosman brands. Feel free to reach out with any questions you may have.

Best Regards,
Phillip

Good day to you Phillip.
Are you looking for questions that are brand/product specific or industry wide questions and concerns? I'm interested in hearing how the industry is promoting the entertainment side of shooting for young shooters. I have taught kids under 5 years of age to be very good shots. The confidence that they gain with the skills they develop at that age has a great impact on other things they take on later in life. I look forward to a lot of good conversations with you.

 

[Pguadalupe]

Hello Moose!

I’m always open for conversations. I don’t have any particular questions at the moment.

We are partnered up with American Airgunner for his show but we are heavily involved with the JrROTC program. We do various things with various organizations who promote group with shooting sports amongst the youth.

 

[Elexious Musick]

I know we have not built them all just don’t know the qty. we started late last year and we build them in batches as needed. Build quality should be the same from #0001 to #2023 because we specifically delayed things for so long because we wanted to make sure everything was perfect. We had to resolve a few quality issues but it was resolved prior to launch. I would be shock that the line would have passed anything through that they were not proud of.

I’m not sure what video he put out or what specific comment were made in regards to the substandard quality so I’m just talking in general. I would also we typically have the same people building on the product lines because we try I keep things consistent but occasionally we floaters.

Here's the link to this guy's very inflammatory YouTube video. Seems like he has had a running gripe with the 362, 3622 and 362 100th for quite a while. His ego is out of proportion with his talent IMO and he's annoying, trying to talk down some very good guns. Probably wants free evaluation guns! Lol!

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[Pguadalupe]

Here's the link to this guy's very inflammatory YouTube video. Seems like he has had a running gripe with the 362, 3622 and 362 100th for quite a while. His ego is out of proportion with his talent IMO and he's annoying, trying to talk down some very good guns. Probably wants free evaluation guns! Lol!

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I’ve only watched like 10 mins and It really seems like he has it out for us. He only sees it one way but doesn’t understand the cost of manufacturing and what it takes to produce things. I can say that every employee in the factory that’s been around for sometime would love a wood stock 760 but in reality the 760 has been $40-$50 for 50+ years. It would be $150 + if it was built like it was back in the day and we wouldn’t still be in business.

The 2100 thing is just personal preference and a difference between fake wood grain plastic and something with a lil modern look. It is what it is and there will always be some one that will complain about something.

I would be interested in knowing which company or products he thinks highly of in comparison to Crosman.

 

[Airgun Revisions]

Here's the link to this guy's very inflammatory YouTube video. Seems like he has had a running gripe with the 362, 3622 and 362 100th for quite a while. His ego is out of proportion with his talent IMO and he's annoying, trying to talk down some very good guns. Probably wants free evaluation guns! Lol!

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Just wanted to add something to what Phillip had explained. Guns like the 760 is and always was geared towards youths and being affordable enough so most households could have this experience. The essence of what and why the 760 is built is more important then trying to please adults for there own personal reasons. The economy isn’t the greatest and the last thing Crosman wants to see is a gun priced far out of reach for a father to have quality time with their kids in this manner.

 

[Farmplinker2]

I’ve only watched like 10 mins and It really seems like he has it out for us. He only sees it one way but doesn’t understand the cost of manufacturing and what it takes to produce things. I can say that every employee in the factory that’s been around for sometime would love a wood stock 760 but in reality the 760 has been $40-$50 for 50+ years. It would be $150 + if it was built like it was back in the day and we wouldn’t still be in business.

The 2100 thing is just personal preference and a difference between fake wood grain plastic and something with a lil modern look. It is what it is and there will always be some one that will complain about something.

I would be interested in knowing which company or products he thinks highly of in comparison to Crosman.

I think Riddict's biggest complaint is that the 2200 was dropped.

 

[Pguadalupe]

2200 was way before my time with the company and I would assume it was a business decision due to lack of sales. Costs go up sales drop or retailers favor a certain model like the 2100 because it’s a .177 and dual ammo which uses more consumables. The thing is when it comes to retailers they do force a lot of decisions at retail. Hence why you see 85% of the rifles being .177 cal rather than .22 cal. Thats just one example.

 

[hameditor]

2200 was way before my time with the company and I would assume it was a business decision due to lack of sales. Costs go up sales drop or retailers favor a certain model like the 2100 because it’s a .177 and dual ammo which uses more consumables. The thing is when it comes to retailers they do force a lot of decisions at retail. Hence why you see 85% of the rifles being .177 cal rather than .22 cal. Thats just one example.

I would like to thank Phillip for his input in this - and other topics!

In my opinion, he gives us great insights into how the airgun business works and how decisions are made. His honesty and openness is a credit both to himself and to Crosman/Benjamin.

Together with @BenjeneerJohn, Phillip shares the way it is from the business side but both are also great shooters and enthusiasts. We are lucky to have them in the HAM Community!

 

[Pguadalupe]

I would like to thank Phillip for his input in this - and other topics!

In my opinion, he gives us great insights into how the airgun business works and how decisions are made. His honesty and openness is a credit both to himself and to Crosman/Benjamin.

Together with @BenjeneerJohn, Phillip shares the way it is from the business side but both are also great shooters and enthusiasts. We are lucky to have them in the HAM Community!

Glad to be a part of it and to share as much information as possible!

 

[Hoppalong Doc]

Glad to be a part of it and to share as much information as possible!

With the news today of Crosman being sold to the conglomerate owning Daisy, BSA & Gamo, please give us whatever insights you might have for the future of Crosman/Benjamin. Will the plan be to cut costs and relocate the plant and employees to a less expensive manufacturing location? Surely not China, I hope. Will my Benjamin single die pellets be made elsewhere? How about my 362? Where will I continue to view Made in the USA? Will the engineering staff soon be communicating
in Mandarin? Oh Please! Please leave Crossman/Benjamin alone and intact. Orv.

 

[Pguadalupe]

With the news today of Crosman being sold to the conglomerate owning Daisy, BSA & Gamo, please give us whatever insights you might have for the future of Crosman/Benjamin. Will the plan be to cut costs and relocate the plant and employees to a less expensive manufacturing location? Surely not China, I hope. Will my Benjamin single die pellets be made elsewhere? How about my 362? Where will I continue to view Made in the USA? Will the engineering staff soon be communicating
in Mandarin? Oh Please! Please leave Crossman/Benjamin alone and intact. Orv.

Well it was a shock to us last night when the news came out. I don’t know anything more than that at the moment.

 

[Pguadalupe]

When Gamo bought Daisy they consolidated Gamo USA with them and moved their facility to Arkansas where Daisy is located. However there was no manufacturing at their Miami location. We are a little different because we make a lot pellets and you can’t make it cheaper than in the US. I can kind of see an East coast west coast distribution setup in the future. As far as personnel changes I have no idea at the moment. We have a ton of projects and I don’t see them absorbing that. Gamo hasn’t ready out anything new out there since the Swarm launched. so who knows what they have for engineering teams nowadays. They did a Gen 2 and then a magazine improvement change. I did think it was weird when they said Daisy bought us but i thought Gamo would have been the dominant name since Gamo acquired Daisy. You go to SHOT or IWA their booth is 80% Gamo branded with a small section for Daisy and other brands.

We shall see how things play out. I am positive things will be for the best. Maybe there will be synergy amongst the brands that open up new things.

 

[Moose]

Could this move position Daisy product lines into better global markets? Low cost and power restrictions may market better in the rest of the world. Is the USA market saturated compared to the rest of the world? Our society may not be as accepting of the shooting sports as it once was, compared to the rest of the world.

 

[Pguadalupe]

Could this move position Daisy product lines into better global markets? Low cost and power restrictions may market better in the rest of the world. Is the USA market saturated compared to the rest of the world? Our society may not be as accepting of the shooting sports as it once was, compared to the rest of the world.

I have no idea. Outside of the US, most of the cheaper stuff you will only see in like Latin America. Once you go to Europe is mostly PCP, break barrels and CO2. Daisy will always have that nostalgia around Christmas and with the youth shooters because of that. I dont think that has the same effect outside of the US.