PCP RAW HM1000X .22 brand new inaccuracy

[Mubhaur]

RAW guns have been my favourite since I got one in the year 2017.

Till now I have three RAW guns and all are great shooters.

Pics below;

My two RAWs are HM1000X, one in .22 and one in .25 while the 3rd one is BM500X in .22 with custom cut rifled barrel.

The green arrow in the pic is for some other purpose. It is not the new gun. The new gun is tactical version.

I also tune and improve these guns and many other makes.

Having great personal experience of RAW guns, I advised one of my friends to purchase a RAW HM1000X .22 when he sought my advice.

The gun was purchased from Dubai. It is brand new.

It was shooting OK at the beginning and we thought that it would be better after getting broken in but even after 1500 pellets gone down the barrel, it did not improve rather appears as it has further deteriorated in accuracy department.

It's very rare that a barrel gets worse after breaking in but it happens sometimes.

Neither JSB 18 grain worked nor JSB 25 grain redesigned worked.

Finally I had no other option but to install the barrel of my own great shooters in this new gun and its new barrel in my old RAW gun.

The accuracy of the new gun immediately became great while the accuracy of my old RAW became rubbish.

I contacted Airforce and discussed this matter on a forum.

When nothing positive appeared, I inspected the breach end and found that it was over tight. I made a bit of lead for comfort of safely seating of the pellet.

Still no success in accuracy.

As a last attempt I choked the barrel slightly as this barrel is LW uncooked poly barrel.

But still no success.

There is no leading in the barrel and the barrel has been cleaned many times.


I am happy that my guns are of old make and are great shooters and at the same time, I feel embarrassed as my friend purchased this new RAW on my recommendation.

Anyhow, sometimes we receive a lemon in almost every brand.

Bhaur

 

[PasadenaMike]

Have you tried without the moderator ? That thing looks massive

 

[Mubhaur]

Have you tried without the moderator ? That thing looks massive

Yes sir. How could I miss this thing while I went all the way to choking the barrel.

Here are pics of pellets pushed through the barrel after choking the barrel.

 

[Danman]

RAW guns have been my favourite since I got one in the year 2017.

Till now I have three RAW guns and all are great shooters.

Pics below;
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My two RAWs are HM1000X, one in .22 and one in .25 while the 3rd one is BM500X in .22 with custom cut rifled barrel.

The green arrow in the pic is for some other purpose. It is not the new gun. The new gun is tactical version.

I also tune and improve these guns and many other makes.

Having great personal experience of RAW guns, I advised one of my friends to purchase a RAW HM1000X .22 when he sought my advice.

The gun was purchased from Dubai. It is brand new.

It was shooting OK at the beginning and we thought that it would be better after getting broken in but even after 1500 pellets gone down the barrel, it did not improve rather appears as it has further deteriorated in accuracy department.

It's very rare that a barrel gets worse after breaking in but it happens sometimes.

Neither JSB 18 grain worked nor JSB 25 grain redesigned worked.

Finally I had no other option but to install the barrel of my own great shooters in this new gun and its new barrel in my old RAW gun.

The accuracy of the new gun immediately became great while the accuracy of my old RAW became rubbish.

I contacted Airforce and discussed this matter on a forum.

When nothing positive appeared, I inspected the breach end and found that it was over tight. I made a bit of lead for comfort of safely seating of the pellet.

Still no success in accuracy.

As a last attempt I choked the barrel slightly as this barrel is LW uncooked poly barrel.

But still no success.

There is no leading in the barrel and the barrel has been cleaned many times.
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I am happy that my guns are of old make and are great shooters and at the same time, I feel embarrassed as my friend purchased this new RAW on my recommendation.

Anyhow, sometimes we receive a lemon in almost every brand.

Bhaur

Ahh thats unfortunate when you talk up a certain brand and all your experiences have been on point, Your buddy takes you advice, takes the plunge and then this happens! At least you have figured out the cause. Me thinks Airforce could at least help a brother out, send a barrel your way or help you out on shipping..... you clearly are an 'undergound saleman' for them.

 

[PasadenaMike]

Yes sir. How could I miss this thing while I went all the way to choking the barrel.

Here are pics of pellets pushed through the barrel after choking the barrel.

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is that good or bad lol? I’ve never done what you’re doing so I don’t even know what to look for when pushing pellets. I just shoot and if the gun isn’t good I return it or sell it.

 

[Mubhaur]

is that good or bad lol? I’ve never done what you’re doing so I don’t even know what to look for when pushing pellets. I just shoot and if the gun isn’t good I return it or sell it.

In fact I am a tuner myself and its not the 1st time for me attempting to fix a barrel.

Most of the times the issue is fixed this way but not in this case.

 

[PasadenaMike]

In fact I am a tuner myself and its not the 1st time for me attempting to fix a barrel.

Most of the times the issue is fixed this way but not in this case.

Hmmm time for a new barrel? I’m not a tuner or a builder but I am a technician so KIS (keep it simple) and get a new barrel and start sending it.

 

[fderry]

RAW guns have been my favourite since I got one in the year 2017.

Till now I have three RAW guns and all are great shooters.

Pics below;
View attachment 5683
My two RAWs are HM1000X, one in .22 and one in .25 while the 3rd one is BM500X in .22 with custom cut rifled barrel.

The green arrow in the pic is for some other purpose. It is not the new gun. The new gun is tactical version.

I also tune and improve these guns and many other makes.

Having great personal experience of RAW guns, I advised one of my friends to purchase a RAW HM1000X .22 when he sought my advice.

The gun was purchased from Dubai. It is brand new.

It was shooting OK at the beginning and we thought that it would be better after getting broken in but even after 1500 pellets gone down the barrel, it did not improve rather appears as it has further deteriorated in accuracy department.

It's very rare that a barrel gets worse after breaking in but it happens sometimes.

Neither JSB 18 grain worked nor JSB 25 grain redesigned worked.

Finally I had no other option but to install the barrel of my own great shooters in this new gun and its new barrel in my old RAW gun.

The accuracy of the new gun immediately became great while the accuracy of my old RAW became rubbish.

I contacted Airforce and discussed this matter on a forum.

When nothing positive appeared, I inspected the breach end and found that it was over tight. I made a bit of lead for comfort of safely seating of the pellet.

Still no success in accuracy.

As a last attempt I choked the barrel slightly as this barrel is LW uncooked poly barrel.

But still no success.

There is no leading in the barrel and the barrel has been cleaned many times.
View attachment 5684

I am happy that my guns are of old make and are great shooters and at the same time, I feel embarrassed as my friend purchased this new RAW on my recommendation.

Anyhow, sometimes we receive a lemon in almost every brand.

Bhaur

Mubhaur

I have been reading your posts on another forum for years and I am impressed with your airgun tuning knowledge/capabilities. Glad to see you on this forum.

Airforce Airguns has had a policy for years that they don't warrant any of their airguns that have been modified. This policy has been a bone of contention for years on various forums. My guess is your customer would have to deal with Airforce/RAW directly or through the dealer they bought the airgun from instead of you because Airforce/RAW is not recognizing you as an authorized dealer but a well-known local tuner. I realize this is probably an issue because you are located in a country outside of the USA and my guess is there isn't an authorized dealer/importer in your country. Wish I had some good advice, but I have no idea on how to help other than have your customer work directly with Airforce/RAW.

 

[Mubhaur]

Mubhaur

I have been reading your posts on another forum for years and I am impressed with your airgun tuning knowledge/capabilities. Glad to see you on this forum.

Airforce Airguns has had a policy for years that they don't warrant any of their airguns that have been modified. This policy has been a bone of contention for years on various forums. My guess is your customer would have to deal with Airforce/RAW directly or through the dealer they bought the airgun from instead of you because Airforce/RAW is not recognizing you as an authorized dealer but a well-known local tuner. I realize this is probably an issue because you are located in a country outside of the USA and my guess is there isn't an authorized dealer/importer in your country. Wish I had some good advice, but I have no idea on how to help other than have your customer work directly with Airforce/RAW.

Your point are valid.

The issue is that we don't have a dealer in our country. We have to request someone to buy and bring RAW guns from Dubai. The person who purchases RAW brings it to my country.

In this scenario the end user cannot return the gun. Then the users contact tuners for fixing the issues. As a common user is normally not a technical person, hence the tuner communicates with the manufacturer and also share such incidents on forums for the information of other members.

Regards,

 

[pan60]

Airforce Airguns has had a policy for years that they don't warrant any of their airguns that have been modified. This policy has been a bone of contention for years on various forums.

not sure how you can really fault a company for not wanting to warrnety a gun that has been modified?
maybe i am missing something?

 

[PasadenaMike]

not sure how you can really fault a company for not wanting to warrnety a gun that has been modified?
maybe i am missing something?

I work with manufacturers on a daily basis. They will void your warranty if you look at the product wrong

 

[Mubhaur]

not sure how you can really fault a company for not wanting to warrnety a gun that has been modified?
maybe i am missing something?

I don't fault any company but only one unit of manufactured items.

We all experience that sometimes we get a faulty item of any product and there starts the role of warranty which helps us out. It doesn't mean that the whole company is faulty but only that specific item is faulty.

Our issue is that we cannot claim warranty in the scenario I have explained above.

Otherwise I am sure that Airforce would have helped us out by now and we would never touch the gun ourselves whatever be our expertise.

This is because we know that it is the responsibility of the manufacturer.

It's not a big issue for any user and for any manufacturer. But when a user is in such a situation where he cannot claim warranty, then he faces issues and company is also unable to do something.

This is the reason we try to get the gun made by the most trustworthy manufacturer.

Regards,

Bhaur

 

[PasadenaMike]

Yeah it’s not easy getting things in your hand. What airguns can you buy where you are?

 

[Mubhaur]

Yeah it’s not easy getting things in your hand. What airguns can you buy where you are?

Mostly FX airguns. But again there is no official dealership of FX here either.

In FX scenario we are extremely lucky that FX is such a manufacturer who helps us out of the way. FX understands our issues and they always send us replacement parts under warranty if needed.

After sales support of FX is one of their greatest strengths.

Bhaur

 

[PasadenaMike]

Mostly FX airguns. But again there is no official dealership of FX here either.

In FX scenario we are extremely lucky that FX is such a manufacturer who helps us out of the way. FX understands our issues and they always send us replacement parts under warranty if needed.

After sales support of FX is one of their greatest strengths.

Bhaur

Agreed . Good luck brother

 

[pan60]

I don't fault any company but only one unit of manufactured items.

We all experience that sometimes we get a faulty item of any product and there starts the role of warranty which helps us out. It doesn't mean that the whole company is faulty but only that specific item is faulty.

Our issue is that we cannot claim warranty in the scenario I have explained above.

Otherwise I am sure that Airforce would have helped us out by now and we would never touch the gun ourselves whatever be our expertise.

This is because we know that it is the responsibility of the manufacturer.

It's not a big issue for any user and for any manufacturer. But when a user is in such a situation where he cannot claim warranty, then he faces issues and company is also unable to do something.

This is the reason we try to get the gun made by the most trustworthy manufacturer.

Regards,

Bhaur

if the gun hasnt been modified then i would not give RAW another dime?
not sure i am follow i thought i read here the issue was they had been modded?

 

[Mubhaur]

if the gun hasnt been modified then i would not give RAW another dime?
not sure i am follow i thought i read here the issue was they had been modded?

One thing comes to my mind. Many a times the users commit some such wrong act while cleaning the barrel that the barrel gets affected and accuracy goes South.

But the user doesn't share his part of the wrong doing with the tuner.

The tuner trusts the user that the user didn't touch the barrel.

In such scenario a strange situation arises in which the tuner stands correct in his place as he doesn't receive correct feedback.

I have witnessed this in other areas like attempts of the users to fix the regulators and they ruined the regulators but they claim that they didn't do anything to the regulator. In case of regulators, the tuner quickly understands that the user is not giving correct statement.

I am also thinking that how much possibility of such an incidence can be in this case.

Bhaur

 

[jps2486]

What do you mean cut rifled barrel? Who made it? Currently, RAW only uses LW barrels with polygonal rifling, I think. Years ago,, I bought a used RAW that was custom built by Martin for an airgun dealer who supplied a CZ barrel for it. Accuracy? Meh! Later, a friend of mine bough a .22 cal RAW HM1000 from RAW with a Benchmark barrel. They did offer these for a short time on special order during the old days before the Air Force merger. It shot fairly well, but not outstanding. So, I question the manufacturer of the barrel on the used gun you bought. I would not be too quick to place any blame on RAW here. This could be just an experiment gone awry. If that's true, I would send the gun to Martin and have him replace the barrel.