You know, I don't know about this either. It seems to me that a lot of the owners of the the tier one guns are just having fun and don't want to work on their guns and wouldn't know how to make lemonade either. They get something, it doesn't work exactly like expected, it's bye-bye time. They want to make their money back, not to necessarily make a gun shoot better. These are where the deals are. Even I'm not jaded enough to believe that anybody playing at this level is out to screw anybody over. The used market on high end guns is pretty good. I hope I didn't just jynx myself saying that. Even the FX I just bought, jeeze Louise the barrel is freaking amazing, why did the guy sell it? I don't know, but it's not because that was bad. It could be because he didn't bother to make lemonade and glue on the carbon fiber liner. All I know is that it shoots every slug I put in it well, and that's a first for me, usually it takes a while to find just one. Just rambling at this point, but don't discount used tier one equipment. Like you already said, just call a seller and spend five minutes talking and you'll know.
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Most Powerful Benchrest Capable Air Rifle?
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With fx their barrels really arent bad from the standpoint of the interior being smooth and consistent its the movement and harmonics that sucked but they are finally learning to deal with it. If you see where they are moving with the dynamic block thats years ahead of the impact in rigidity. Thats 1 of the things i like about the drs no flex or movement anywhere.
Billm
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I wasn’t even thinking that the seller might be trying to quietly dump a defective product. There’s one particular model of gun that several high end buyers immediately got rid of them. They had waited some time for the release and poof, it seemed they didn’t feel like it was worth the weight. That same model has mixed reviews. I would just like to know what they didn’t like. The flip side I’m aware of a mid tier (around $2k) rifle that the new owner sold it right away. It didn’t fit his stature and so he didn’t feel he could get the most out of it, or something along those lines. I later had a conversation with the buyer of that rifle. The new owner walked away with a great brand new rifle, that he is really happy with. I didn’t mean to imply anything nefarious.
Ditto for my Barra 250z!
The larger tube makes it very stiff!
Danman
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And yet I always think its a crazy idea because of pressure changes....but being plenum space and not bottle pressure it should remain fairly constant lol.
I have a similar thought process on used guns @Billm but often people just have too many nice guns and downsize, or it needs some tweaks but the owner doesn't have a clue what to do, or life changes and not enough time to justify owning nice airguns and not using em.
For referencing used airguns, think about @PasadenaMike and all his new gun threads.....he burned through literally dozens of very fine air rifles in his (2yr?) stay on Ham. Many of those guns were good but just needed some minor tweaking, an o-ring to stop a leak, better dealer aftercare, or (like the ghost) too heavy for his uses and were quickly sold off.
I have one used gun that is mainly junk, my Slav 630. It has some issue with the open sights/barrel alignment and I would never sell it, and i damaged it badly tearing it down the second time
I will be parting it out and crushing what's left on my 20ton press.... I refuse to sell junk.
As far as electronic guns...if i had to pick, id go Skout Evo for sure, esp for your uses as a comp rig and getting a part you need quick if it ever went down.
Hey Bill, forget what I said about a used electronic Daystate, read this:
DAYSTATE or Airguns Of Arizona Shady with the warranty
Yikes!
DAYSTATE or Airguns Of Arizona Shady with the warranty
Yikes!
Why must it be powerful? Doesn't accuracy or marksmanship count? EBR rules that you must use pellets. Pellets shoot best around 900 fps, so it's up to you to put it where you want it. There's nothing wrong with FX or Daystate or any other rifle for that matter. They are all capable. You guys are too impatient and want to just buy accuracy. That doesn't happen.
Billm
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I want a rifle that has more power than my Sonoran, I see nothing wrong with that. My Sonoran does not have the capacity to push all of the available pellets to 900fps. It cannot push hardly any slugs to 900fps. The Sonoran is sold as a pellet/slug rifle. It was a given that accuracy was a desired attribute of the rifle. As you’ve stated previously, “you get what you pay for” and as all of these rifles being discussed are $2500+ rifles, it should be safe to assume they are all accurate. Some are going to be more accurate than others with different types of projectiles. Consistency, ease of maintenance etc. are all areas where like priced rifles might vary. Although I mentioned that I desired a dedicated Benchrest rifle, that may have been a little off target. I don’t have the means to keep buying multi-thousand dollar Airguns and so it’s a bonus if a rifle has enough versatility to be used to experiment with different weight projectiles and velocities for other disciplines. A large power band allows that.
I don’t agree with your conclusion: “ You guys are too impatient and want to just buy accuracy. That doesn't happen.”. You are absolutely right, two things that influence good shooting are: accuracy and marksmanship. I will add that a third is power. Having power allows you to tune the velocity for the range and selected projectile. You absolutely can buy accuracy. What you can’t buy is marksmanship. Marksmanship is also the least expensive factor, for the most part, it just takes time and effort. But, in my opinion, a shooter will have a more rapid and smoother journey in achieving their pinnacle with the right equipment.
Although EBR is a well respected event and rightly so, it isn’t the only venue for 50-100yd Benchrest. There is an active group mainly on the east and gulf coasts that are pushing Benchrest leagues that allow slugs and pellets. It’s just a guess, but I think as more accurate slug rifles become available, we will see more events where slugs are allowed.
No malice intended with my response, just a little difference of opinion.
Danman
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Yikeessss. Worst part of that story isn't that the warranty didnt cover it, i get that, but that the part costs that much!!
To my prev point....if dude is competing he is waiting on (EXPENSIVE!) parts, his rig is down, parts are shipped overseas so your talking at least a week wait, and what if that part become obsolete?! Zero interest in derailing this thread but for every good story I hear about an electro gun, I hear a bad one to match it, not a good ratio.
I could not disagree more, and I know you have said otherwise in some of your other posts. If you go out right now and buy an AirArms or a Raw (as examples) & the correct pellets and get to shooting; if it ain't a ringer back it goes. You still have to put in the work for sure to be consistent, but the gun should do its part no questions asked.
Billm
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As much as I’m a tech geek and I’m pretty handy with repairing electronics, the more I think about it, the less likely I am to buy an electronic gun. Someone I know only through the forums, but is active in competitions, recently shared with me his experience of a well known electronic air rifle letting him down three times. If I’m being honest I just want to try something else. I had another Panthera MkII in my cart, but I’m just a little leary of the Panthera. I’ve even considered the BW Zero - with the HAM points, assuming they allow them, it would be $2600. That puts it in the same price range as the others.Yikeessss. Worst part of that story isn't that the warranty didnt cover it, i get that, but that the part costs that much!!
Zero interest in derailing this thread but for every good story I hear about an electro gun, I hear a bad one to match it, not a good ratio.
I could not disagree more, and I know you have said otherwise in some of your other posts. If you go out right now and buy an AirArms or a Raw (as examples) & the correct pellets and get to shooting; if it ain't a ringer back it goes. You still have to put in the work for sure to be consistent, but the gun should do its part no questions asked.
Billm
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I know I saw some if the guns listed somewhere. I’ll have to look again. I did find RMAC: 100yd pro: Red Panda, then FX Dynamics. Sportsman 100yds: Skout. RTI Mora and AF Texans dominated big bore. Maybe the Panthera/Dynamic are not bad choices. I don’t know about EBR yet. The Red Panda and maybe Skout dominated The Pyramyd cup.
Billm
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I bought an FX Panthera MKII 700mm along with a pellet liner and bag rider. There wasn’t a lot of choices that were actually available now. I toyed with the idea of the BW Zero. I also considered the Red Panda, but was not available in the benchrest version. I’m still a little apprehensive about the Panthera, but everything I’ve read states that it has a lot of potential and it doesn’t cost any more than my Sonoran with power tune. Standby to be bored with my Panthera MKII posts lol.
Danman
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Oh I guess i shouldn't share the AEAC video I just watched about the RTI guns.....super cool company, and oh so sweet pcps. If the Mora was available up here id have a hard time saying no to that
. Video is well worth the watch, and I hate to admit it but they nailed the 2 reg setup!Bill did you get the regular barrel or the heavy barrel with a liner?
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