Chinese Stuff? Not In This Lifetime.

[Madhatter]

My Sumatra is my favorite PCP.

 

[EdinGa]

Whether someone buys Chinese PCPs or not, they’ve pushed the entire industry forward. AEA, Huben, JTS, and Snowpeak closed the performance gap and forced the big brands to improve. They also made PCPs affordable for people who don’t have $1,000+ to spend. Competition is good for everyone.

Exactly. They can and do make guns that will hold their own against more expensive brands and I can afford them. If you can afford better, I don't hate you. I'll just keep shooting what I can afford.

 

[Hoppalong Doc]

Exactly. They can and do make guns that will hold their own against more expensive brands and I can afford them. If you can afford better, I don't hate you. I'll just keep shooting what I can afford.

The competition is not in how fancy my guns are but in how well I can shoot them. Orv.

 

[Danman]

Whether someone buys Chinese PCPs or not, they’ve pushed the entire industry forward. AEA, Huben, JTS, and Snowpeak closed the performance gap and forced the big brands to improve. They also made PCPs affordable for people who don’t have $1,000+ to spend. Competition is good for everyone.

Nailed it. One side of the industry keeps the other side in check. (Price vs features vs quality/feel of product, and finally quality control)
Lets use AirForce as an example: Imagine a world with only AirForce pcps in it...
-What might a Condor cost nowadays with no competition?
-Would the 50cal TexRex exist? (Thank you AEA)
-Would AF FINALLLY be putting AK grips, and PIC rails on their guns?
Would they be offering slug barrels now?
With no competition prices often soar, innovation stagnates, and quality of workmanship can easily go down as there is only one option on the market. As long as its not a direct copy, there is after-sales support, and the equipment is safe to the end user, im all for it.
I'd hate to see airgunning become a rich person only hobby.

 

[MacGyver]

Uncle Xi and his buddies have been trying to copy the European and American airguns for a long, long time. I am not saying they are not finally learning how to make a decent airgun, but they have not done such yet. From what I can tell, the only thing they have going for them is the price.

Have I tried some of the newer Chinese airguns? No. My collection is large enough and I do not wish to give my hard-earned dollars to Uncle Xi.

So you're saying that you have NOT tried what you are talking about, but you have an option that it is inferior in everything but price? Um.....................OK

 

[Jaabaa]

That's great that we can feel self righteous enough to make statements like that. It's a blessing.
But for those that want to have fun and don't have much money, they are a perfect choice.
It's like Audio, Chinese like it also. Shooting, they like that too. Cars those too.
It's Ok for them to make rifles, I hold no grudges.

 

[PA_AirHead]

Benjamin (Reximex) got me into PCP’s with the Akela back in ‘21 and AEA got me into power for little money. Granted, the Varmint has a horrendous trigger, but back then I thought… I can live with this cause it reminds me of my old M4 trigger from Uncle Sam. Well, I then discovered the Element from AEA and fell in love with that gun and trigger. I’ve since purchased two FX and the triggers are velvet (to me), another Akela, a real Benjamin (Bulldog M357), Reximex RPA pistol, two Benelli Stoeger rifles which I REALLY like a lot, and most recently a beautiful BSA. I have ZERO issues with where an airgun or any gun for that matter is produced. You can buy garbage from anywhere and that’s a fact. Depends on how the guys and gals on the production line partied the night before their shift and of course engineering. Some of em are over engineered. Buy what you like is the number one rule in my book. From here or there, enjoy.

 

[Grunt64]

Benjamin (Reximex) got me into PCP’s with the Akela back in ‘21 and AEA got me into power for little money. Granted, the Varmint has a horrendous trigger, but back then I thought… I can live with this cause it reminds me of my old M4 trigger from Uncle Sam. Well, I then discovered the Element from AEA and fell in love with that gun and trigger. I’ve since purchased two FX and the triggers are velvet (to me), another Akela, a real Benjamin (Bulldog M357), Reximex RPA pistol, two Benelli Stoeger rifles which I REALLY like a lot, and most recently a beautiful BSA. I have ZERO issues with where an airgun or any gun for that matter is produced. You can buy garbage from anywhere and that’s a fact. Depends on how the guys and gals on the production line partied the night before their shift and of course engineering. Some of em are over engineered. Buy what you like is the number one rule in my book. From here or there, enjoy.

I’ll admit, the China PCPs — like the one I own — need some fine‑tuning. But that’s the part I actually like. AEA leaves plenty of room to quickly improve them into real hunting PCPs, and yes, even the triggers. At least on the one I own.

 

[Hvacguy]

In my short airgun career I've had el cheapo's like big box break barrels, all the way up to fancy ones like the BRK commander and Cricket II Tactical. That said, I don't mind a PCP from the CCP .

 

[Chief55]

I’ll admit, the China PCPs — like the one I own — need some fine‑tuning. But that’s the part I actually like. AEA leaves plenty of room to quickly improve them into real hunting PCPs, and yes, even the triggers. At least on the one I own.

The AEA Element Max I had was awesome. It only needs about 3600psi to get a couple great high-power shots. The only thing I did not like was the stock wobbled a bit but a little piece of card material put in the joint would make it lock tight and the hammer was really stiff, but I think an offset hammer extension would have helped for cocking it, like they have for lever actions. But it was incredibly light weight very powerful and accurate. Yes, it was a single shot, so what, don't miss. It was everything you could want in a hunting gun. I wish I had kept it, but I was convinced that I would not deer hunt again, so I let it go and I have regretted that from day one. You can get that, a compressor, scope and some slugs for what the Airforce brush gun costs, it is a no brainer for me.

 

[Nordic Norm]

Uncle Xi and his buddies have been trying to copy the European and American airguns for a long, long time. I am not saying they are not finally learning how to make a decent airgun, but they have not done such yet. From what I can tell, the only thing they have going for them is the price.

Have I tried some of the newer Chinese airguns? No. My collection is large enough and I do not wish to give my hard-earned dollars to Uncle Xi.

Retro grouch. You only shoot yourself in the foot.

 

[Nordic Norm]

I will NOT intentionally purchase any Chinese airguns. Chinese manufacturing has put Americans asleep with their massive quantities and low prices. The Chinese government intends to supersede America's presence in to South East Pacific where a hugh amount of the Western World's needs must pass. Other than this, they have stolen much of their technology from us, yet we freely allow their students to come here with the intent of stealing from us. They have no moral compass. 'Nuf said. Orv.

A moral compass like the USA ? Only if hypocrisy is considered a moral. USA corporations moved production overseas and the tech also, can't blame China.

 

[Nordic Norm]

This is nothing new the Japs did it first with all of our electronics at least 10 years before the Chinese started. When I was a kid all of the electronic devices were made in this country, all of them. I will not look down on anyone making an honest living trying to live within their means. Everything in Wal-mart comes from China but I will still shop there because they have what I need for a price I can afford.

The Chinese didn't need to steal anything. USA corporations moved production to China and the technology also. No ine to blame but USA capitalism.

 

[Nordic Norm]

This is nothing new the Japs did it first with all of our electronics at least 10 years before the Chinese started. When I was a kid all of the electronic devices were made in this country, all of them. I will not look down on anyone making an honest living trying to live within their means. Everything in Wal-mart comes from China but I will still shop there because they have what I need for a price I can afford.

USA corporations are to blame. They moved production and technology to asia in order to increase profits at the expense of our national security and the American workforce.

 

[hameditor]

OK folks, that's enough of the political stuff. Thank you.