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Are Ballistic Coefficients Still Relevant?

I read the BC numbers on my ammo tins, and thats about it. What all can/does affect (Airgun Ammo) BC?
- Moisture in the air
-Temperature of the air
-Twist rate of your barrel
-Quality of the ammo in you Tin
-Speed you are sending Ammo
-Height Above Sea level
-Etc, etc. It is rarely plug and play....as cool as that notion would be!
You can buy a nice scope for 'fixed speed' rimfire ammo, with built in drops for certain distances, but none meant for airguns that i'm aware of.
All 4 of my airguns are fed 1 or maybe 2 pellets for pesting uses. That pellet is doped at resonable distances & I write down my holdovers/unders and practice, practice, practice.
My property is EXACTLY 100Y across. If a squirrel is out on the border and im on the other end with my Ghost; Hammer wheel on 15, 25.39gr MRD deep in the chamber, holdover just under 3 mildots on my FFP scope and that squirrel should be ☠️. At that distance it will still blow through 5/8 plywood no problem, tested that too. What is the BC of my Mrds? No idea. For me Airguns are fun, semi-accurate math formulas not so much.
 
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I do NOT agree that BC's are useless.
Problem is that people do NOT understandf WHAT they are.
BC's are SCALE FACTORS, if you cannot accept that, then read this first:

Just what the H---k is the "Ballistic Coefficient"?

Having said that, and from the time I started dabbling in ballisctics, I have used BC and non-BC driven methodologies, if you are not familiar with deceleration factors, you need to read this book:

Amazon.com: Modern Practical Ballistics: 9780961277635: Pejsa, Arthur J.: Books

Again, after much experimentation and when I drifted away from 1,000 yards shooting and other long range powder burning ventures to pursue the humble pellet, I came across another realization: The final shape of YOUR pellet depends on YOUR barrel.

Shooting at low energies (sub-12 ft-lbs) is when the differences between barrels are MOST obvious.
It also happens to be the energy slot where we DO shoot "Long range" (1½"Kz's @ 55 yards at 12 ft-lbs is the ballstic equivalent of shooting cantaloupes at distances out to 350 yards with a 7.62X51 NATO 147 grs. service load)
So, it is the most demanding discipline.

Between the fact that tables were developed in ONE barrel (not mine), shooting a pellet at a speed that perhaps I would never use (remember the 12 ft-lbs at the muzzle limit), and under conditions that probably were MUCH more controlled that what I would meet in an FT Match (basically weather caused/oriented), told me that the ONLY reasonable assumption when trying to get "good numbers" with relatively little data would be that "Nature CANNOT be discontinuous". And therefore, we needed a different approach that assumed NOTHING except the continuity of Nature itself.

And that is what drove the development of "PP-Calc"

Under PP Calc, YOU shoot YOUR pellet out of YOUR barrel at YOUR MV, using YOUR scope at YOUR LOS.
YOU choose your Zero (whether it is the first, second or the apex is absolutely irrelevant to the method).
THEN you shoot THREE ranges.
PP Calc will then CALCULATE FROM THE DROPS, THREE different BC's
YOU can then choose to use a weighted average, or a simple average to calculate the trajectory AND the wind drift.

Is it accurate? Yes if you feed it GOOD data. If not, the ID 10 T error pops up. Garbage in, Garbage Out.

The method does give you ways to "filter out" crazy data.

For example, you can look at the trajectory chart from ZERO (muzzle) to the end of the longest distance. If you note that the curve does not "match at zero" your LOS height, you adjust that because PP Calc needs the LOS height at the MUZZLE.

If you see a point that does not align to the trajectory, you re-shoot it. Perhaps the distance was not 37 meters, but 38, or 36.

If you do NOT see the BC's INCREASE slightly with the distance as the pellet slows down, then your numbers are suspect.

In short, it is a TOOL to analyze YOUR data, ratify or rectify and then take some numbers seriously.

Could we revert to Drag Coefficients per each range? Yes, but the "public" would have a hard time understanding that. BC's are so well known (even if they are grossly misused), that trying to "teach" Dc's became a casualty of the development process.

We had to discontinue and "un-publish" PP Calc because Android eveolved at such quick pace that it was impossible for my coder to keep up. But we are making an effort to get it updated and I think we will be able to publish it again soon, in a question of months.

It will still operate under the old rules and mechanisms, but it will be upgraded in many ways.

If you are interested, these links will give you an idea of what you can expect:

Pellet Path Calculator


For those interested in maintaining privacy, here is the disclosure:

Privacy Policy for PP-Calc

PP Calc will NOT have any ads, and will NOT keep any information. It WILL have a modest cost, but most importantly, it will work for YOU.

Now, if you can put in the time to shoot EACH AND EVERY YARD, IN ALL POSSIBLE WIND CONDITIONS, then by all means you do not need PP Calc.

If you would rather get SOLID information from your Zero + Three more ranges and have a full ballistic solution, then PP Calc is for you.

As you will read from my note about "What the H---ck is a a BC"? you will realize that UNLESS you give the system ACCURATE information, the output CAN be at the same time, good and bad.
For example, you can calculate your ballistic solution for a "supposed" or "assumed" MV. YES, no problem, EXCEPT that then, if the real MV is different from the TRUE MV, then the BC's will not be correct and the Wind Drift will NOT match reality. Because you have come up with a TRUE SCALE factor for your "imagined" MV and because gravity is constant, the drops from zero will be true, but NOT the drifts (and that is assuming you can gauge well the wind to within 1 km/h)

IF, all your data approaches real well what YOUR truth is, then the numbers will be solid because we are NOT working in the quantum world where things jump from one state/position to another.

I repeat: at OUR scale, Nature is continuous.

When I was shooting 45 cal. , 500 grs. lead slugs at 1,240 fps on targets that were 28" across and 1,000 yards away, the BC's made a lot of sense. The "master" projectile was not too far from mine, the speeds were not too far from mine, therefore, it made sense.

There is NOTHING in common between an 8½-10½ grs. waisted and skirted pellet at 700-800 fps to the "standard projectile" in the Krupp/Majewski/Ingalls tables.

So, are BC's relevant/useful? YES, but ONLY as a TOOL and when properly applied.

Keep well and shoot straight!





HM
 
I've read¹ that a few years back some in the firearms ammo industry (Applied Ballistics and others) have started to work on personalized or
custom drag models.
To explain this in (albeit incorrect) non-technical terms:
They are trying to offer a "custom BC" for each proyectile model —
and even as far as as a "personalized BC" for a certain proyectile model shot from a certain weapon system (with a certain barrel, certain power, achieved through certain settings, with certain muzzle attachments, etc.).

The "BC" they are trying to give us really is a custom drag model.

And last year I read that Applied Ballistics has gotten interested in airgunning, and they are looking into helping us out as well, not just the firearms guys. 😊
Nice!


🟠 Until the day their work will bring results for us, I have been thinking of a practical solution to the discrepancies between the BC based on the GA drag model and the reality on the range and in the field.



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First, there is the option of new drag laws, optimized for airgunning, from UK pro ballistician, Miles Morris, screen-name Ballisticboy.

Miles has calculated and offered us several new drag models:
⭓For wadcutters:² WC₀

⭓For slugs with large meplat:³ SLG₀

⭓For slugs with boattails: SLG₁

■ These drag models are available in a ballistic calculator that George P. Conway (UK) donated to our airgunning community, just before his untimely death. HarrysLad, aka Dave Eades, is now the developer in charge, he is the original developer of the beloved Hawke's ChairGun.

Mero [GPC Ballistics]
Webpage: GPC Ballistics Applications for Windows, MacOS and Linux

The ballistic suite runs on Android, Windows, OSX, and Ubuntu.


■ Through the war Russia is waging on the Ukraine I have lost access to my paid copy of Strelok Pro.
However, there is a way to import new drag models into Strelok Pro and use them instead of the GA and G1 or RA4 models it offers.



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Second, I am thinking of measuring my own BC's — or rather, my own personalized drag function
⭓for some of my weapons systems where that is critical — like a P3 and a V3 that should reach out to 200m, 300m, and more....
⭓And for some extremely blunt hollow points that I wanted to shoot blazingly fast for extreme expansion (Polymag, Ultra Shock Heavy, and now the Halo).
I wanted to get started with that proyect a long time ago, but my local gun friends all want to shoot animals and get bored by shooting paper and chronographs, so I usually cave in.... 😆


Anyhow, just something to contribute to the discussion, with the great tools we have now available this is not just something for ballisticians.... 😊

Matthias



¹Sources:
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² Source: Miles Morris, aka Ballisticboy (2023):

³Source:
Miles Morris, aka Ballisticboy (2024):


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I've read¹ that a few years back some in the firearms ammo industry (Applied Ballistics and others) have started to work on personalized or
custom drag models.
To explain this in (albeit incorrect) non-technical terms:
They are trying to offer a "custom BC" for each proyectile model —
and even as far as as a "personalized BC" for a certain proyectile model shot from a certain weapon system (with a certain barrel, certain power, achieved through certain settings, with certain muzzle attachments, etc.).

The "BC" they are trying to give us really is a custom drag model.

yep exactly this!
Custom drag models are the only "correct/accurate" solution.
or - 2-3 "relevant" Cd values for given speeds/power:
- 12fpe (common UK)
- 2 values elsewhere on the curve at/around max power levels where the projectile is most accurate, i.e. 900fps

Miles is an absolute guru & i'd never question his knowledge.
Applied Ballistics i've seen a few "incorrect" things come out, but they're really really solid & probably more a generalisation than anything.
 
Dear Friends;

I THINK this will be a good place for this post.

A few weeks ago I offered that we would have a serviceable PP-Calc version for modern and not so modern Android devices.
Well, we now can fulfill that promise.

We have an updated app that will work on MOST Android devices up to Android 14.

We would like to have 5 (FIVE) shooters to test it for free.

You would need to send me a PM with your EMail, saying that you want to be a tester for the Ver 2.0.0 of PP-Calc through the link in my webpage:

Contact us

The first FIVE to respond will get a link to a "non-debuggable" app.

You will need to Download the link directly to your device memory and install the .APK file
SOME devices will need special settings to be able to install apps that do not come from established stores.

I STRONGLY advise using an older Tablet or phone for TWO reasons:
1.- I cannot control what you do and if something horible happens I cannot be responsible for the loss of your actual, in-use Phone/Tablet
2.- PP-Calc is designed to be TAKEN TO THE RANGE. It is not an "Armchair Ballistics Solutions" or a "What-IF" program. PP-Calc is for ACTIVE users that need IN THE FIELD applicability and adaptability. You do NOT want your usual/in use phone or tablet to take to the range, into the rain, dust and bright sunshine enough to fry many screens.
So, USE AN OLDER device.

Once installed, you will need to follow the instructions for the setup of the original PP-Calc, and test it.
I will be available over the EMail you will receive the link from to answer doubts or questions, as well as to comment and converse about the app.

We will then convene somehow (Teams, Whatsapp, or any other methid) to discuss a "writeup" that we will then post on the Corresponding part of my website.

Once that is online, the App will go on sale.
This is a first attempt at a new life. We will be pursuing more additions (mainly more reticles) and ways to handle the collected data as, over time, you may accumulate some really interesting data points and it is nice to be able to recall them for analyses later.

This post is going "on-line" simultaneously at AGN and GTA.

Best of luck to all.






HM
 

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