Reg Butter advice, 👍 or 👎 ?

[FL22]

Just wondering what everyone’s thoughts are on this product.

How long have you used it?

What your results are?

Would you recommend it?


I’m not going to sugar coat it, I’m having a hard time with letting go the $40 it’s going to take to get 1 ounce of this product to my house.

Thanks for any advice.

 

[Pumacarl]

I laughed pretty hard when you put it that way! Everything is expensive in this sport. At least a very little bit will go a long ways. It's no different than buying ultimox for my AAA. If you ever had galling between titanium and aluminum a little bit spent on the right stuff is cheap. With that said, if you are not shooting competitively, then you certainly could live w/o it, but would you want to sell yourself short when you've already gone all in everywhere else? Only the little voice in your own head can answer that for you, this poll won't.

 

[pan60]

no clue?
so no opinion : (

 

[Billm]

It’ll be cheaper for you to ship it to my house second thoughts,I’m too lazy to take a reg apart

 

[Pumacarl]

It’ll be cheaper for you to ship it to my house second thoughts,I’m too lazy to take a reg apart

You've been luckier than I thought then, if you've never needed to work on a regulator. See that, you've been having it good and you didn't even know it. lol

 

[Danman]

I'm with @Pumacarl on this one....the guy who makes this stuff (air shootist) does alot of the videos for the Air Force Condor regulator installs for Huben Power. I believe he was a consultant/tester, and knows his stuff. Plenty of experience pulling regs apart and getting them running right, and trying different lubes and finding what works best.
I geek out with lubes for automotive/machinery but none of them are recommended for air guns really. I spent about $30 on 2 small (and i mean small!) tubs of springer lube from Tinbum tuning and it should last my lifetime (and im 38 lol).
I say go for it, tighter spreads, longer o-ring
life, less tear downs....who wouldn't want that!
Hopefully someone will chime in who's used it.

 

[FL22]

I laughed pretty hard when you put it that way! Everything is expensive in this sport. At least a very little bit will go a long ways. It's no different than buying ultimox for my AAA. If you ever had galling between titanium and aluminum a little bit spent on the right stuff is cheap. With that said, if you are not shooting competitively, then you certainly could live w/o it, but would you want to sell yourself short when you've already gone all in everywhere else? Only the little voice in your own head can answer that for you, this poll won't.

I know that you are right, what is $40 when I’ve spent over 10k… I don’t ever plan to be a competitor but I certainly want to do whatever is best, I just don’t want to buy into hype ( I’m not saying that is what the product is nor do I want to imply that ). It’s that I could not find much here on the HAM Community about it when I made a search so I hope that this thread will help rectify that.

 

[FL22]

I'm with @Pumacarl on this one....the guy who makes this stuff (air shootist) does alot of the videos for the Air Force Condor regulator installs for Huben Power. I believe he was a consultant/tester, and knows his stuff. Plenty of experience pulling regs apart and getting them running right, and trying different lubes and finding what works best

Okay, that’s very interesting and sounds like very practical experience to draw from.

So two schools of thought are crossing my mind one is the absence of a good quality or high performance regulator lubricant lead to the development of one. The second is to create the need and the product to fill it.

Either way bravo .

I geek out with lubes for automotive/machinery

You’ve got me there, I have always followed the API service code to the letter, except for a few racing engines .

Hopefully someone will chime in who's used it.

I think @Dogowski has.

 

[Dogowski]

Okay, that’s very interesting and sounds like very practical experience to draw from.

So two schools of thought are crossing my mind one is the absence of a good quality or high performance regulator lubricant lead to the development of one. The second is to create the need and the product to fill it.

Either way bravo .


You’ve got me there, I have always followed the API service code to the letter, except for a few racing engines .


I think @Dogowski has.

I've been using my original tin of reg butter for about 6 months. I use it on all sixteen of my pcp rifles very sparingly as a tiny bit goes along way! You can use it on any point that needs lubing not just on regulators as I use on orings, breach seals, probes, just any part on an air rifle that needs it. On an FX regulator you can fire your rifle first before putting on the lube and you can watch the reg recover more slowly between shots. Then apply the reg butter to the reg and watch your recovering time almost double when you fire as it definitely gets the air moving faster between shots. Warren Carter who is Air Shootist on YouTube and facebook is the inventor of the product is an NRL22 Match professional who competes nationwide using an airgun instead of a 22 rimfire so he's making a lot of buzz out there. Tom at High Pressure Pneumatics is where it's mostly sold at. I really would like to know what's in it as it's one of the slickest lubricants that I have ever come across as it has a different consistency from anything else I have ever used. Thirty bucks for a small tin and I've barely used any of it. I'm not in cahoots with Warren or Tom to sell this fine product, I personally think it's a secret weapon for all of our airgun maintenance toolkits!

 

[Dogowski]

Just wondering what everyone’s thoughts are on this product.

How long have you used it?

What your results are?

Would you recommend it?


I’m not going to sugar coat it, I’m having a hard time with letting go the $40 it’s going to take to get 1 ounce of this product to my house.

Thanks for any advice.

Initial investment might seem to be high but I think not. A one ounce tin of this stuff will last you for years so unless you have an airgun shop where you repair 10 regs a day it's gonna last forever. He definitely didn't design it to sell it often due to running out of product! It's not oil and doesn't look like grease, it's a lube. Hard to explain untill you use the product. Stir with a toothpick before using as a small amount of settling takes place after not using for a while. Fyi

 

[BBGunn]

No opinion as haven't used it.

I don't need a special lube for regulators.

 

[FL22]

I've been using my original tin of reg butter for about 6 months. I use it on all sixteen of my pcp rifles very sparingly as a tiny bit goes along way! You can use it on any point that needs lubing not just on regulators as I use on orings, breach seals, probes, just any part on an air rifle that needs it. On an FX regulator you can fire your rifle first before putting on the lube and you can watch the reg recover more slowly between shots. Then apply the reg butter to the reg and watch your recovering time almost double when you fire as it definitely gets the air moving faster between shots. Warren Carter who is Air Shootist on YouTube and facebook is the inventor of the product is an NRL22 Match professional who competes nationwide using an airgun instead of a 22 rimfire so he's making a lot of buzz out there. Tom at High Pressure Pneumatics is where it's mostly sold at. I really would like to know what's in it as it's one of the slickest lubricants that I have ever come across as it has a different consistency from anything else I have ever used. Thirty bucks for a small tin and I've barely used any of it. I'm not in cahoots with Warren or Tom to sell this fine product, I personally think it's a secret weapon for all of our airgun maintenance toolkits!

Thank you for sharing your experience with using it, @Dogowski.

On an FX regulator you can fire your rifle first before putting on the lube and you can watch the reg recover more slowly between shots. Then apply the reg butter to the reg and watch your recovering time almost double when you fire as it definitely gets the air moving faster between shots.

When you’re removed the regulator initially, was there was a factory form of lubricant present? If so did you disassemble and clean it completely off or just apply the reg butter?

 

[Danman]

So two schools of thought are crossing my mind one is the absence of a good quality or high performance regulator lubricant lead to the development of one. The second is to create the need and the product to fill it.

I believe this to be the case, I personally find silicone grease to be a bit lacking as a reg lube, and ive been mixing silicone grease/oil when servicing my hand pump, runs/feels better and zero break downs since. We all know its not the best long term lube and its meh for metal on metal contact, but no one really makes a good alternative designed for airguns.
Im sure air shootist took it upon himself to mix up some products and got his formula 'perfected'. Why not share the product and make a bit of money on it as well. Im sure for me shipping costs would match the product cost
@Dogowski.....you are not allowed to leave Ham, you are quite the wealth of information lol.

 

[Cantona256]

So I live in the high deserts of SW Utah. I live at 5000ft and I hunt between 2500-7500ft on a regular basis. In the summers my guns are subjected to +110° and recently I’ve been coyote calling in 30°-40° temps. I ask my air rifles to do a lot. The guys from the barra 250z threads can attest to this .

What I have noticed with reg butter is:

Way more consistency on the regulator. Both in different temps and elevations. Do I still get reg creep? Yes, it’s just waaaaaay less.

This also translates to consistency on the chrono. Even as a noob it’s been was to tune sub 7-8fps extreme spreads in my guns.

With the barra it made the whole shooting experience “snappier” so the recharge rate was awesome. It’s improved the recharge rate a lot on the EQ as well.


It’s not magical or anything just extremely high quality and his blend absolutely improves cold weather performance.

That and ballistol are the only things I use really.

 

[Dogowski]

Thank you for sharing your experience with using it, @Dogowski.



When you’re removed the regulator initially, was there was a factory form of lubricant present? If so did you disassemble and clean it completely off or just apply the reg butter?

It was just silicone oil like we all use on our PCP airguns. I disassembled and wiped off all excess and reapplied the reg lube to the complete regulator including the Belleville washers and reassembled.

 

[Dogowski]

So I live in the high deserts of SW Utah. I live at 5000ft and I hunt between 2500-7500ft on a regular basis. In the summers my guns are subjected to +110° and recently I’ve been coyote calling in 30°-40° temps. I ask my air rifles to do a lot. The guys from the barra 250z threads can attest to this .

What I have noticed with reg butter is:

Way more consistency on the regulator. Both in different temps and elevations. Do I still get reg creep? Yes, it’s just waaaaaay less.

This also translates to consistency on the chrono. Even as a noob it’s been was to tune sub 7-8fps extreme spreads in my guns.

With the barra it made the whole shooting experience “snappier” so the recharge rate was awesome. It’s improved the recharge rate a lot on the EQ as well.


It’s not magical or anything just extremely high quality and his blend absolutely improves cold weather performance.

That and ballistol are the only things I use really.

My Karma SLS 25 regulator really benefited from the reg butter as well. Just makes the rifle shoot smoother between shots it just recovers faster. Still have a few years of reg butter in my tin as it goes a long way.

 

[Dogowski]

I believe this to be the case, I personally find silicone grease to be a bit lacking as a reg lube, and ive been mixing silicone grease/oil when servicing my hand pump, runs/feels better and zero break downs since. We all know its not the best long term lube and its meh for metal on metal contact, but no one really makes a good alternative designed for airguns.
Im sure air shootist took it upon himself to mix up some products and got his formula 'perfected'. Why not share the product and make a bit of money on it as well. Im sure for me shipping costs would match the product cost
@Dogowski.....you are not allowed to leave Ham, you are quite the wealth of information lol.

Thanks for that man! Anything I can add to this amazing forum makes this old man feel a little bit useful.

 

[jps2486]

Never used it in the 20 or so PCPs I've owned over the years and never had a reg issue. I had a chat with Martin Rutterford about this long ago. I was concerned about the belleville springs having sharp edges caused when they are stamped at manufacture. He told me that If I was concerned, put the springs in a vibratory tumbler used to polish cartrige brass prior to reloading. This process will shine them up and break any sharp edges if they exist. I never did that since I really didn't have any problems. Lubricant? Why not? I guess it wouldn't hurt, but I would really worry about putting too much on them. That could do more harm than good maybe.

 

[Cantona256]

Never used it in the 20 or so PCPs I've owned over the years and never had a reg issue. I had a chat with Martin Rutterford about this long ago. I was concerned about the belleville springs having sharp edges caused when they are stamped at manufacture. He told me that If I was concerned, put the springs in a vibratory tumbler used to polish cartrige brass prior to reloading. This process will shine them up and break any sharp edges if they exist. I never did that since I really didn't have any problems. Lubricant? Why not? I guess it wouldn't hurt, but I would really worry about putting too much on them. That could do more harm than good maybe.

You can’t use “too much” lube in the reg. Any extra gets shot out of the gun/worked further along the internals of the gun. It’ll actually just help all the orings along the way.

 

[Danman]

You can’t use “too much” lube in the reg. Any extra gets shot out of the gun/worked further along the internals of the gun. It’ll actually just help all the orings along the way.

That or it'll find its way out of a weep (leak indicator) hole....check this out lol. Factory lube on my Ghost after 3 months of ownership. Had me worried but it never ended up leaking air.
I'd still lean on the sparingly side with most airgun lubes.