Others Which is inherently most accurate HW97K or the HW50S

[ernroe]

Which is most accurate HW 97K or HW50S, same ammo, same shooter, 50 yds distance, same conditions?
To take it a step further pls list pros and cons of each.

 

[Waytoomany]

Which is most accurate HW 97K or HW50S, same ammo, same shooter, 50 yds distance, same conditions?
To take it a step further pls list pros and cons of each.

I don’t have the HW97K but you are comparing rifles that are quite different. The energy in .22 using a 14.66 grain pellet is 50% greater in this rifle vs the HW50S. Accuracy may be similar at 25 yards but 50 yards in wind may be too far for this pellet traveling 150 fps slower. But the HW50S is a wonderful springer. It has the advantage in handling being much lighter to carry unless shooting from a rest.

Waytoomany

 

[Jaabaa]

I've never seen the 50s on any YouTube airgun compete that I've seen the last 5 years, but have seen the 97
Not shooting it is hard to tell, but I have the 50s and I'm sure it's like a toy to the 97 just like the 30s is to the 50s
I'd go with the 95 before the 97 just because of the weight factor. 97 is heavy.
At one time I thought i would get a few more Wiehrauchs but after the 30 and 50 I'm good.
A plinker and a small gamer.

 

[Danman]

I've never seen the 50s on any YouTube airgun compete that I've seen the last 5 years, but have seen the 97
Not shooting it is hard to tell, but I have the 50s and I'm sure it's like a toy to the 97 just like the 30s is to the 50s
I'd go with the 95 before the 97 just because of the weight factor. 97 is heavy.
At one time I thought i would get a few more Wiehrauchs but after the 30 and 50 I'm good.
A plinker and a small gamer.

Did you tune your HWs or shooting them as is?
I think this question has a fair amount of variables to it, shooter, wind that day, ammo, barrel build quality and cleanliness, etc and I'm sure one could squeak by the other on any given day....My TX200 fills the roll of a great underlever and is quite accurate, but like the 97 its hefty! The Hw50 seems like a better workhorse, quicker reloading, lighter, and therefore easier to pest with. Hoping to have the 50 by next spring and have it shooting the same .177 ammo as the TX. I will be writing up some comparisons if it happens

 

[Jaabaa]

They both are stock, for my size 5'10" 200pounds they both kinda small. Compared to the Beeman QB78 or Aircuda'. The HW30 will get tuned soon. I'm at least 12,000 shots on it.

 

[ernroe]

They both are stock, for my size 5'10" 200pounds they both kinda small. Compared to the Beeman QB78 or Aircuda'. The HW30 will get tuned soon. I'm at least 12,000 shots on it.

You and I are about the same size.

 

[Jaabaa]

Crow season just started Sept 1st, well small Game, they set a unlimited amount on Crow the last few years. They talking about adding Barn Owls every 5 years. They are all over around St Louis. I'll most likely only take the Aircuda' and the HW50. Once a week unless it's raining. I might have a tin and 1/2 through the 50s it's Alot more work...haha

 

[Pumacarl]

Crow season just started Sept 1st, well small Game, they set a unlimited amount on Crow the last few years. They talking about adding Barn Owls every 5 years. They are all over around St Louis. I'll most likely only take the Aircuda' and the HW50. Once a week unless it's raining. I might have a tin and 1/2 through the 50s it's Alot more work...haha

I don't get it, if barn owls are all over the place, doesn't that mean that they have a lot of pests to eat? Why would you want to shoot an ally in the war on rodents? Seems counter-productive to me.

 

[Jaabaa]

I don't get it, if barn owls are all over the place, doesn't that mean that they have a lot of pests to eat? Why would you want to shoot an ally in the war on rodents? Seems counter-productive to me.

I just read it a few weeks ago. It was brought up at the Annual Conservation meeting. I think they completed wiping the rabbit population out where I live and you here Tens of them at once sometimes. Can't have to small a dog... Rodents are down these last few years. Used to see skunks, no more.

 

[Jaabaa]

US considers program to hunt owls to protect other owls US considers program to hunt owls to protect other owls

 

[Jaabaa]

Barred owls sorry

 

[Pumacarl]

They should just let these populations control themselves. They honestly never know what they are doing. My state re-introduced rabbits, nobody voted for that, they just did it. Then they said, now we have too many bobcats so we're going to have a season. Well, we all had it by then, and said he'll no to that, and stopped that, they eat the rabbits we didn't want in the first place. Fools. Then they pass airgun hunting rules that are nonsensical, highlighting that they know nothing about airguns either. It never ends.

 

[pan60]

They should just let these populations control themselves. They honestly never know what they are doing. My state re-introduced rabbits, nobody voted for that, they just did it. Then they said, now we have too many bobcats so we're going to have a season. Well, we all had it by then, and said he'll no to that, and stopped that, they eat the rabbits we didn't want in the first place. Fools. Then they pass airgun hunting rules that are nonsensical, highlighting that they know nothing about airguns either. It never ends.

honestly never know what they are doing
I would not argue that but I will say sometimes it's not a bad idea to controle what people take so as not to wipe something out. but they will over do that as well.
and some critters breed so fast its hard to get a handle of a pest.

 

[Franklink]

Which is inherently more accurate HW97 or HW50?

I owned an HW77K for a while. The 97K and 77K are the same action, spring, stroke length, etc. So the 77k that I owned is very close to the question you're asking. I still own an HW50s. When I had the 77k I was using it for field target, and put more than 12,000 pellets through it. The total running count on the 50s is closer to 15k.

The 97/77 is a bigger and heavier gun than the 50. Accuracy from springers is much more of a skill than getting accuracy from PCPs, and usually guys wanting supreme accuracy from a springer (talking field target here) gravitate to heavy guns. Mostly because heavy springers are a bit more forgiving of poor input from the shooter than light springers.

They can both be equally accurate, but it's usually easier to get that accuracy out of the heavier 77/97. Now, the flip side of that is that the 77/97 is a gun I wouldnt want to haul through the woods on a squirrel hunt. The 50 is much better suited to that. So "best" for you is going to be determined by use case. If you're wanting target shooting accurate, from a bench or for field target, I'd recommend the 77/97. If you're wanting a general use springer that's a perfect size for carrying around, I'd recommend the HW50s.

I played the springer game for about 4 years, and cycled through most of the high end options, searching for the best target springer. I ultimately sold all the heavy and big target springers, forsook using a springer for target work, and kept the svelte HW50s as an all-around "best" for my intended uses, mid-power springer.

The 50s just reminds me of light Marlin bolt action rimfires. Just the right size for carrying around.

A couple more thoughts....
The 97/77 is more of a 12-14 foot pound gun, and the 50s is more like a 9-11fpe gun.

The stroke length of the 50s is shorter than that of the 77/97, making for a quicker feeling shot cycle.

Been a long time since I put much time into springers, but if I remember correctly, current production of both the 77/97 and the 50 use a 26mm piston seal, just that the 50s stroke is shorter, hence the slightly reduced energy output.

Some say the fixed barrel, under lever springers are inherently more accurate than break barrels. Very few springer shooters in field target these days, and the few that there are, don't shoot break barrels. Springers are so damned hard to shoot CONSISTENTLY, that whether or not it's a break-barrel or under lever is WAY downstream of the plain and simple hard-to-shoot nature of the things. At least for me.

Can't put too long of a scope on a HW50s cuz it blocks the breech block from tipping up during cocking.

Don't want to put too low of a scope bell on an HW97 cuz it makes loading a pain, trying to finagle the pellet under the scope bell to get it into the barrel.

 

[hameditor]

Which is inherently more accurate HW97 or HW50?

I owned an HW77K for a while. The 97K and 77K are the same action, spring, stroke length, etc. So the 77k that I owned is very close to the question you're asking. I still own an HW50s. When I had the 77k I was using it for field target, and put more than 12,000 pellets through it. The total running count on the 50s is closer to 15k.

The 97/77 is a bigger and heavier gun than the 50. Accuracy from springers is much more of a skill than getting accuracy from PCPs, and usually guys wanting supreme accuracy from a springer (talking field target here) gravitate to heavy guns. Mostly because heavy springers are a bit more forgiving of poor input from the shooter than light springers.

They can both be equally accurate, but it's usually easier to get that accuracy out of the heavier 77/97. Now, the flip side of that is that the 77/97 is a gun I wouldnt want to haul through the woods on a squirrel hunt. The 50 is much better suited to that. So "best" for you is going to be determined by use case. If you're wanting target shooting accurate, from a bench or for field target, I'd recommend the 77/97. If you're wanting a general use springer that's a perfect size for carrying around, I'd recommend the HW50s.

I played the springer game for about 4 years, and cycled through most of the high end options, searching for the best target springer. I ultimately sold all the heavy and big target springers, forsook using a springer for target work, and kept the svelte HW50s as an all-around "best" for my intended uses, mid-power springer.

The 50s just reminds me of light Marlin bolt action rimfires. Just the right size for carrying around.

A couple more thoughts....
The 97/77 is more of a 12-14 foot pound gun, and the 50s is more like a 9-11fpe gun.

The stroke length of the 50s is shorter than that of the 77/97, making for a quicker feeling shot cycle.

Been a long time since I put much time into springers, but if I remember correctly, current production of both the 77/97 and the 50 use a 26mm piston seal, just that the 50s stroke is shorter, hence the slightly reduced energy output.

Some say the fixed barrel, under lever springers are inherently more accurate than break barrels. Very few springer shooters in field target these days, and the few that there are, don't shoot break barrels. Springers are so damned hard to shoot CONSISTENTLY, that whether or not it's a break-barrel or under lever is WAY downstream of the plain and simple hard-to-shoot nature of the things. At least for me.

Can't put too long of a scope on a HW50s cuz it blocks the breech block from tipping up during cocking.

Don't want to put too low of a scope bell on an HW97 cuz it makes loading a pain, trying to finagle the pellet under the scope bell to get it into the barrel.

@Franklink Thanks for your excellent comments

 

[ernroe]

I don't get it, if barn owls are all over the place, doesn't that mean that they have a lot of pests to eat? Why would you want to shoot an ally in the war on rodents? Seems counter-productive to me.

They should just let these populations control themselves. They honestly never know what they are doing. My state re-introduced rabbits, nobody voted for that, they just did it. Then they said, now we have too many bobcats so we're going to have a season. Well, we all had it by then, and said he'll no to that, and stopped that, they eat the rabbits we didn't want in the first place. Fools. Then they pass airgun hunting rules that are nonsensical, highlighting that they know nothing about airguns either. It never ends.

It is politics. Definition:
Poly- from Greek word meaning many.
Ticks- a small blood sucking insect.

 

[ernroe]

Which is inherently more accurate HW97 or HW50?

I owned an HW77K for a while. The 97K and 77K are the same action, spring, stroke length, etc. So the 77k that I owned is very close to the question you're asking. I still own an HW50s. When I had the 77k I was using it for field target, and put more than 12,000 pellets through it. The total running count on the 50s is closer to 15k.

The 97/77 is a bigger and heavier gun than the 50. Accuracy from springers is much more of a skill than getting accuracy from PCPs, and usually guys wanting supreme accuracy from a springer (talking field target here) gravitate to heavy guns. Mostly because heavy springers are a bit more forgiving of poor input from the shooter than light springers.

They can both be equally accurate, but it's usually easier to get that accuracy out of the heavier 77/97. Now, the flip side of that is that the 77/97 is a gun I wouldnt want to haul through the woods on a squirrel hunt. The 50 is much better suited to that. So "best" for you is going to be determined by use case. If you're wanting target shooting accurate, from a bench or for field target, I'd recommend the 77/97. If you're wanting a general use springer that's a perfect size for carrying around, I'd recommend the HW50s.

I played the springer game for about 4 years, and cycled through most of the high end options, searching for the best target springer. I ultimately sold all the heavy and big target springers, forsook using a springer for target work, and kept the svelte HW50s as an all-around "best" for my intended uses, mid-power springer.

The 50s just reminds me of light Marlin bolt action rimfires. Just the right size for carrying around.

A couple more thoughts....
The 97/77 is more of a 12-14 foot pound gun, and the 50s is more like a 9-11fpe gun.

The stroke length of the 50s is shorter than that of the 77/97, making for a quicker feeling shot cycle.

Been a long time since I put much time into springers, but if I remember correctly, current production of both the 77/97 and the 50 use a 26mm piston seal, just that the 50s stroke is shorter, hence the slightly reduced energy output.

Some say the fixed barrel, under lever springers are inherently more accurate than break barrels. Very few springer shooters in field target these days, and the few that there are, don't shoot break barrels. Springers are so damned hard to shoot CONSISTENTLY, that whether or not it's a break-barrel or under lever is WAY downstream of the plain and simple hard-to-shoot nature of the things. At least for me.

Can't put too long of a scope on a HW50s cuz it blocks the breech block from tipping up during cocking.

Don't want to put too low of a scope bell on an HW97 cuz it makes loading a pain, trying to finagle the pellet under the scope bell to get it into the barrel.

Thank you, you gave the exact information that I needed. Obviously, you have firsthand experience with both types of springers. I am a back yard shooter out to 50 yds max. My PCP's don't pose near the challenge to shoot tight groups as my HW30 and HW50 but for some reason I shoot them twice as much as my PCPs. My PCPs are all quality guns, Benj MROD .25, HW100 .22 and HW110 .177 (my favorite PCP) Thanks for your response.

 

[jps2486]

Inherently and actually are two different things. By design, the fixed barrel HW97K should be more accurate, but not always true due to other variables.. Buy both and find out. My little Beeman R7 is just as accurate as my TX200.