Slugs: What if?

[Cantona256]

My BRK and Daystate air rifles shoots slugs very well at longer distances

Do they? Cuz all I see on the forums is people talking about how difficult it is to get them to shoot slugs.

At the end of the day when I look at the benchrest podiums I see the Karma Red Panda and Fx Panthera.

With Big Bores I see Air Force and to a lesser extent AEA/Bin Tac

When I watch YouTube videos I’ve never seen anyone shoot anything bigger than a rabbit or maybe a small fox with one.

What I don’t see is people showing how to slug tune them or showing off their immaculate long range shooting.

And I’ve had more than one person tell me “you should figure out a good barrel swap to shoot slugs out of my ghost.” So yeah I’m not really buying it.

The fact of the matter is that the only thing elite about those guns is their price tag and the inordinate amount of lust they inspire in boomers with money.

No offense to anyone who buys them and loves them. For a backyard pellet shooter they are exquisite. But even for that purpose I’d probably just buy an FX.

For $4,000 I should be getting sub MOA at 400y. My barra 250z cost $600 with the plenum mod and it can do sub MOA at 100y with almost any slug I feed it between 30gr-37gr….and it takes about 10 minutes to tune it….Im gonna have to change my name to “#1 Daystate hater” because I’m so sick of hearing about them. Maybe they aren’t so expensive in Denmark since it’s less of a plane ticket but here in the US they are crazy.

$3950 BEFORE Taxes for a Blackwolf is the single biggest scam in Airgunning in my humble opinion.




For that much I could buy every single new gun at shot show I liked and ammo.

 

[Zelos1]

Do they? Cuz all I see on the forums is people talking about how difficult it is to get them to shoot slugs.

At the end of the day when I look at the benchrest podiums I see the Karma Red Panda and Fx Panthera.

With Big Bores I see Air Force and to a lesser extent AEA/Bin Tac

When I watch YouTube videos I’ve never seen anyone shoot anything bigger than a rabbit or maybe a small fox with one.

What I don’t see is people showing how to slug tune them or showing off their immaculate long range shooting.

And I’ve had more than one person tell me “you should figure out a good barrel swap to shoot slugs out of my ghost.” So yeah I’m not really buying it.

The fact of the matter is that the only thing elite about those guns is their price tag and the inordinate amount of lust they inspire in boomers with money.

No offense to anyone who buys them and loves them. For a backyard pellet shooter they are exquisite. But even for that purpose I’d probably just buy an FX.

For $4,000 I should be getting sub MOA at 400y. My barra 250z cost $600 with the plenum mod and it can do sub MOA at 100y with almost any slug I feed it between 30gr-37gr….and it takes about 10 minutes to tune it….Im gonna have to change my name to “#1 Daystate hater” because I’m so sick of hearing about them. Maybe they aren’t so expensive in Denmark since it’s less of a plane ticket but here in the US they are crazy.

$3950 BEFORE Taxes for a Blackwolf is the single biggest scam in Airgunning in my humble opinion.

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For that much I could buy every single new gun at shot show I liked and ammo.

I like to marvel at the crazy technology that is being brought forward but, I am not at all sure that I want any gun, of any type, to be reliant on digital programming in order to function. That alone would keep me far far away from some brands and models. (Unless of course they were to make them colorful and laser etch a cool enough picture on them!

 

[Solo1]

Do they? Cuz all I see on the forums is people talking about how difficult it is to get them to shoot slugs.

At the end of the day when I look at the benchrest podiums I see the Karma Red Panda and Fx Panthera.

With Big Bores I see Air Force and to a lesser extent AEA/Bin Tac

When I watch YouTube videos I’ve never seen anyone shoot anything bigger than a rabbit or maybe a small fox with one.

What I don’t see is people showing how to slug tune them or showing off their immaculate long range shooting.

And I’ve had more than one person tell me “you should figure out a good barrel swap to shoot slugs out of my ghost.” So yeah I’m not really buying it.

The fact of the matter is that the only thing elite about those guns is their price tag and the inordinate amount of lust they inspire in boomers with money.

No offense to anyone who buys them and loves them. For a backyard pellet shooter they are exquisite. But even for that purpose I’d probably just buy an FX.

For $4,000 I should be getting sub MOA at 400y. My barra 250z cost $600 with the plenum mod and it can do sub MOA at 100y with almost any slug I feed it between 30gr-37gr….and it takes about 10 minutes to tune it….Im gonna have to change my name to “#1 Daystate hater” because I’m so sick of hearing about them. Maybe they aren’t so expensive in Denmark since it’s less of a plane ticket but here in the US they are crazy.

$3950 BEFORE Taxes for a Blackwolf is the single biggest scam in Airgunning in my humble opinion.

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For that much I could buy every single new gun at shot show I liked and ammo.

I wholeheartedly agree on the price of the blackwolf but also have a soft spot for the revere and a very large soft spot for the brk ghost. The ghost is a fine pellet bullpup and shoots slugs well out of the barrels developed for them. While daystates prices are a little ridiculous and their qc is slipping the they still have some fine guns

 

[Cantona256]

I wholeheartedly agree on the price of the blackwolf but also have a soft spot for the revere and a very large soft spot for the brk ghost. The ghost is a fine pellet bullpup and shoots slugs well out of the barrels developed for them. While daystates prices are a little ridiculous and their qc is slipping the they still have some fine guns

Yeah even I have to admit the Ghost has that “je ne sais pas” that’s hard to deny

 

[Zelos1]

Slug tuning isn’t that hard y’all. I’ve been doing this for a year know and I’ve successfully slugged 3 different barrels.

I hate to be that guy but for most of y’all you’re not having success with slugs because you’re not doing the work.

I have found that most people get a new gun, run on here “what’s a good slug tune for this gun” and then get pissy when it doesn’t work out exactly the same way.

How much work are you putting into this? How much thought? Do you slug your barrel before trying slugs? If you do slug the barrel are you matching bore diameter, going oversized or undersized? Does your barrel have a good enough twist rate? Is it long enough to derive the power you want? What’s the length of bearing surface on your slug? Is it traditional rifling, poly or FX? Which is like poly but “smoother” if you will.

The fact of the matter is that if you’re going for long range accuracy most of these questions are one you’ll encounter in the powder burner world too… or you will if you’re serious about ERL.

I get than some of y’all are OGs set in your ways and this is way more than you’re looking for out of this hobby. That’s fine. You guys are keeping BRK, Daystate and all the springer companies in business. There’s nothing wrong with that. Enjoy.

But if you’re trying to do any serious longer range hunting pellets just don’t cut it. Don’t @ me with some “I’m more accurate with my JSB ____ at 100y than….” Sorry but nobody cares. No one in the top 10 at RMAC was shooting pellets. I for one, am not looking to shoot anything that requires a 6MIL holdover at 100y… despite what your anecdotal evidence tells you the physics doesn’t lie…Ballistic Coefficients matter and pellets will never compete.

I maybe a “noob” to this but I’m out every weekend trying to call coyotes in the deserts of southwest Utah. And I’m doing it with my custom built karma EQ that I just finished building…. I machined a 28” Lothar Walther barrel with poly rifling, specifically so I could get the performance I wanted with the slug I wanted.

I understand experiences will vary but talk to the other successful slug shooters and they’ll probably tell you similar things. We all have our own “style” of shooting and for what purpose so settings will never be universal but the thought/work required is real.

Or if that doesn’t work just send me your gun and you can pay me to set it up for you haha.

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I started “shopping” for a Hog gun a couple of months ago.
Was on a RAW but found that the ft.lbs. We’re just not there.
Looked into a JSAR but again they are limited in what they can crank out in power.
Not interested in single loading an airforce gun.
How is you EQ working out? You are using .357 if i remember correctly.
How fast are you able to accurately throw a 100+ grain slug down range?
What else have you learned that is significant?
Btw apparently Texas requires 210 ft lbs to legally take hogs with an air gun.

 

[Cantona256]

I started “shopping” for a Hog gun a couple of months ago.
Was on a RAW but found that the ft.lbs. We’re just not there.
Looked into a JSAR but again they are limited in what they can crank out in power.
Not interested in single loading an airforce gun.
How is you EQ working out? You are using .357 if i remember correctly.
How fast are you able to accurately throw a 100+ grain slug down range?
What else have you learned that is significant?
Btw apparently Texas requires 210 ft lbs to legally take hogs with an air gun.

Sadly it’s still just a .30 cal… I switched the barrel with a 28” Lothar barrel and it’s absolutely outstanding now… I’m doing 130fpe at the muzzle with my 71gr hybrid boattails. They have a BC of .19 so I’m still getting 93fpe at 200y.

It’s wildly accurate and rugged too. I hike the desert and mountains with it on a sling weekly.

As for hogs it really just depends on range and shot selection. I’m not at expert but there’s a thread on agn right now where plenty of people have shot .177 and downed hogs at 20-30y… lots of guys who use 9mm and bigger calibers too. But also tons of dudes saying “I use a Texan but my huben gk1 at 80fpe would get the job done if I had to.”

We don’t have feral hogs in Utah so I can’t attest to its existence effectiveness but given the opportunity I wouldn’t even question the shot at 100-150y. Send it. Why? Because after a year of hunting weekly with air gun slug shooters I’ve come to the conclusion that FPE is only half the battle. Ammo selection is just as important. I get really really nitpicky with slugs until I find the exact one I want. The hybrid boat tails I’m shooting have a small enough hole that they penetrate even thin mild steel at 150-175y but they basically explode once they penetrate. They just aren’t nice at all put one behind a hogs ear and it’s bye bye.


Personally, I’m looking to get into .357 this year and I think I’m gonna go with the barra 350z when it comes out. It’s another bullpup like the EQ but air over the barrel and a bottle for massive air and superior barrel harmonics.

I’m jealous you have hog to hunt though.

 

[JungleShooter]

Barra 350z when it comes out. It’s another bullpup.

WOW!
You got my attention immediately.
A bullpup!

But upon seeing a video —it's just another FSR (folding stock rifle).

So, if you have information that shows this Barra 350Z IS a bullpup, I'd love to know.
I'm really not interested in rifles that are unnecessarily long.....

Matthias

 

[Billm]

I started “shopping” for a Hog gun a couple of months ago.
Was on a RAW but found that the ft.lbs. We’re just not there.
Looked into a JSAR but again they are limited in what they can crank out in power.
Not interested in single loading an airforce gun.
How is you EQ working out? You are using .357 if i remember correctly.
How fast are you able to accurately throw a 100+ grain slug down range?
What else have you learned that is significant?
Btw apparently Texas requires 210 ft lbs to legally take hogs with an air gun.

I’m pretty sure @Ezana4CE hunts hogs among other game with an air rifle in Texas.

 

[Ezana4CE]

I’m pretty sure @Ezana4CE hunts hogs among other game with an air rifle in Texas.

Send me a PM if you have questions. Or look up some threads where I’m discussing hunting hogs. There’s a bad actor in this conversation.

 

[FL22]

“There is a bad actor in this conversation.”

Agreed.

 

[pan60]

; /

 

[Renée]

I would be all in on obtaining slug barrel(s) 22, 25, 30 and maybe for me larger. I like the extra weight and BC especially in the wind. They do pop pests! Furthermore, I have also been forced away from PBers here in Kalifornicia....ummm Peoples Republic of California,USA....yea I should move however there are others that are worse off.
The Airgun/rifle slug would allow me to maintain skill and practice @ 100-200M for when I do NEED to get something at 400M. For Me pellets are fine for sub 75M depending on conditions, although slugs would be better.
Having my own 75M range it is fun making dime sized ragged holes and the neighbours are not offended by the noise of a PB of which I keep to a minimum.
So yes, slug barrels would be great.....I could even cast my own slugs!