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250Z My 250z .22 experience

Ducere Insanus

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I purchased the rifle back in June and overall for the price point I have been very happy with it. Been lurking and reading about everyone's experience with the 250z and just wanted to share my thoughts on my gen 1 250z. I welcome any opinions or advice...

Inspection of the barrel shows a machining gouge to the rifling about 7mm into the chamber. I assume this was the pilot of the bit that cut the chamber chamfer. The gouge is not uniforms as about 30% of the rifling is undamaged...30% however is fairly deep. It's like the rifling is smeared and wider on several lands.

Slugging the barrel shows significant difference of engagement the lands have on the bearing surface of the projectile when comparing one side to the other. I believe I also received one of the few choked barrels. The push down the barrel is very uniform but loose once past the chamber then it tightens up for the last 5 inches or so.

I ported/polished the thimble and transfer port to 4.4mm(should have tried 4.2 first). Barrel has been moderately polished throughout but heavily polished in the chamber area....crown is beautiful.

The stock spring cranked all the way in with the slug power weight can be tuned to same accuracy but I haven't dialed in which is most efficient however I believe no weight is best.

The rifle loves the 21.9 AEA and 28.5 JSB redesign. Both shoot 10 shot dime size groups at 50 yards at 920-1000fps and 875-925fps respectively. This works for me as the same tune and both pellets love to be pushed at the top of those fps ranges

Using a pellet gauge on about 20 different pellets from 18.1-28.5 grains I've discovered the the rifle really only likes pellets with a larger head diameter. The AEA 21.9 is 5.59 or larger and the JSB 5.56-5.57. The pellet gauge stops at 5.58 but the AEA's are the only pellets I've encountered this large

Slugs I've tried: JSB KO 25gr MK1 and MK2 .216
H&N hp2 .217 in 21/23/25/27 gr
Zan .217 in 20/23/25.5/28 gr
NSA .217 in 24.8 gr
NSA .2175 in 20.2/23.0/24.8
NSA .218 in 20.2/23.0/24.8/27.5
FX Hybrid 22gr(.217)
NSA .218 23gr/24.8 and FX slugs performed best but the groupings are very inconsistent shooting 1.5 inches to 2 inches 5-10 shot groups. Sometimes it will stack 2-3 shots however the amount of fliers does not justify using slugs over pellets.

I could never get a slug to shoot well. This of course is a budget rifle and I figured it would be a journey but I would eventually find the tune for the right slug. I have since come to the conclusion that there isn't a magic slug that ignores the barrel damage lol

I just reached out to Barra and they have offered a factory warranty replacement barrel and for that I'm grateful. However I cannot justify giving up a barrel that shoots so darn good with 2 different pellets on the same tune. The customer service assured me that they would inspect and send me a barrel with no damage.
 
I purchased the rifle back in June and overall for the price point I have been very happy with it. Been lurking and reading about everyone's experience with the 250z and just wanted to share my thoughts on my gen 1 250z. I welcome any opinions or advice...

Inspection of the barrel shows a machining gouge to the rifling about 7mm into the chamber. I assume this was the pilot of the bit that cut the chamber chamfer. The gouge is not uniforms as about 30% of the rifling is undamaged...30% however is fairly deep. It's like the rifling is smeared and wider on several lands.

Slugging the barrel shows significant difference of engagement the lands have on the bearing surface of the projectile when comparing one side to the other. I believe I also received one of the few choked barrels. The push down the barrel is very uniform but loose once past the chamber then it tightens up for the last 5 inches or so.

I ported/polished the thimble and transfer port to 4.4mm(should have tried 4.2 first). Barrel has been moderately polished throughout but heavily polished in the chamber area....crown is beautiful.

The stock spring cranked all the way in and stock spring with the slug power weight can be tuned to same accuracy but I haven't dialed in which is most efficient however I believe no weight is best. I want to try using the weight as a spacer on the rear side of the spring to see how more preload affects things.

The rifle loves the 21.9 AEA and 28.5 JSB redesign. Both shoot 10 shot dime size groups at 50 yards at 920-1000fps and 875-925fps respectively. This works for me as the same tune and both pellets love to be pushed at the top of those fps ranges

Using a pellet gauge on about 20 different pellets from 18.1-28.5 grains I've discovered the the rifle really only likes pellets with a larger head diameter. The AEA 21.9 is 5.59 or larger and the JSB 5.56-5.57. The pellet gauge stops at 5.58 but the AEA's are the only pellets I've encountered this large

Slugs I've tried: JSB KO 25gr MK1 and MK2 .216
H&N hp2 .217 in 21/23/25/27 gr
Zan .217 in 20/23/25.5/28 gr
NSA .217 in 24.8 gr
NSA .2175 in 20.2/23.0/24.8
NSA .218 in 20.2/23.0/24.8/27.5
FX Hybrid 22gr(.217)
NSA .218 23gr/24.8 and FX slugs performed best but the groupings are very inconsistent shooting 1.5 inches to 2 inches 5-10 shot groups. Sometimes it will stack 2-3 shots however the amount of fliers does not justify using slugs over pellets.

I could never get a slug to shoot well. This of course is a budget rifle and I figured it would be a journey but I would eventually find the tune for the right slug. I have since come to the conclusion that there isn't a magic slug that ignores the barrel damage lol

I just reached out to Barra and they have offered a factory warranty replacement barrel and for that I'm grateful. However I cannot justify giving up a barrel that shoots so darn good with 2 different pellets on the same tune. The customer service assured me that they would inspect and send me a barrel with no damage.
I'd take the new barrel, and take my chances. My bore is good, I got my breech smooth as anything, and my crown was good. Pushing a slug through feels even and there is no choke, plop at the end, slug falls out, nice. Even with that, my gun didn't like any of the NSA slugs or the H&N or the FX, but only liked the Zan and the JSB KO. I've got all the sizes and velocities listed on another post so I won't waste time writing them again. The point is, that the ones I got to work, work very well, awesome actually, and no fliers. It's worth the effort to pursue a winner. You probably won't find a winner with the barrel you describe on your gun. Pitch it. Even the good .22 barrels seem to be real particular on these Barra, so you need to at least start with that, a good barrel.
 
10-4 Thanks bud. I used to be on GTA a little back when I was modding my old Benji Disco. I've been lurking for while and I believe I have read every 250z thread at least once. Definitely learned allot from yourself and the other fellas you mentioned.
I hear you! I lurked for almost 30 years at most of the forums before ever posting a word. I really enjoy just reading everything. I can cover a lot more ground when I'm not talking. I started doing that again as I feel that I've been talking too much and not listening enough. I kind of started using my posts as cloud storage so I could find old data when I wanted it. I don't know if that's really fair to the website or the members so I am backing off a bit.
 
I hear you! I lurked for almost 30 years at most of the forums before ever posting a word. I really enjoy just reading everything. I can cover a lot more ground when I'm not talking. I started doing that again as I feel that I've been talking too much and not listening enough. I kind of started using my posts as cloud storage so I could find old data when I wanted it. I don't know if that's really fair to the website or the members so I am backing off a bit.
Well if my opinion matters I don’t think you talk too much. I know I do haha… the forum could do a lot worse than have more people like you being kind and giving great advice.
 
Well if my opinion matters I don’t think you talk too much. I know I do haha… the forum could do a lot worse than have more people like you being kind and giving great advice.
Thanks for the kind words, but I do find myself getting crabby. It is a cyclical thing. You see all the same comments and concerns with just different players and guns, over and over again. It can get old. At least now the technology is changing so fast that nobody can keep up anyway so things are generally more interesting. There's more directions to go in. It's got to be fun or I won't bother, it's a hobby not a job, and I am not going to ruin it by making it one.
 
I hear you! I lurked for almost 30 years at most of the forums before ever posting a word. I really enjoy just reading everything. I can cover a lot more ground when I'm not talking. I started doing that again as I feel that I've been talking too much and not listening enough. I kind of started using my posts as cloud storage so I could find old data when I wanted it. I don't know if that's really fair to the website or the members so I am backing off a bit.
That’s totally fair to both the website and the members. The more you post varied useful content the higher the forum will rise in the page rankings: a win for everyone. You post a lot of useful content, mixed with your personal opinions. I do the same thing, I find it easier to look at my comments to find info on my shooting that other’s probably think is superfluous lol. Not to mention that the posts stimulate conversation/debate. Keep posting.
 
Honestly I miss forums. I'm happy they're still a thing in the firearms/airgun community. There are a lot of people who prefer not to document and share their experiences for various reasons. It's the people commenting and participating that make the community what it is!
 
Honestly I miss forums. I'm happy they're still a thing in the firearms/airgun community. There are a lot of people who prefer not to document and share their experiences for various reasons. It's the people commenting and participating that make the community what it is!

Yeah I just wanna echo this. These forums are integral to the airgun experience for me. I wouldn’t be where I am now without it.
 
Honestly I miss forums. I'm happy they're still a thing in the firearms/airgun community. There are a lot of people who prefer not to document and share their experiences for various reasons. It's the people commenting and participating that make the community what it is!
I get what you're saying with this, and that was one of the reasons I never use to post. Anything you say, can and will be crap, kept my mouth shut for a long time, but then I got old. Now I don't care so much about that stuff. I don't begrudge anyone wanting to stay off the radar, it's a good policy in general, it's just really bad for forums. lol
 
Crystal @ Barra customer service put in a work order for my barrel to be pulled and inspected by an employee. Then I'll be emailed an invoice for payment. I've read people have a few poor experiences with CS at Barra but I'm very optimistic and have so far been happy with them. I will update the thread as things progress.

Definitely gonna keep the old barrel. After I do serious testing and determine that the replacement barrel shoots better...Im probably gonna go full Bubba mode on the old one and smooth out the chamber with a 5.6mm tapered pin reamer by hand. Then knockdown any burs with wet emory cloth and finish with bore Brite polish
 
, Crystal @ Barra customer service put in a work order for my barrel to be pulled and inspected by an employee. Then I'll be emailed an invoice for payment. I've read people have a few poor experiences with CS at Barra but I'm very optimistic and have so far been happy with them. I will update the thread as things progress.

Definitely gonna keep the old barrel. After I do serious testing and determine that the replacement barrel shoots better...Im probably gonna go full Bubba mode on the old one and smooth out the chamber with a 5.6mm tapered pin reamer by hand. Then knockdown any burs with wet emory cloth and finish with bore Brite polish
Sounds like a plan. O.K., I've got to ask, what is that Catfish with arms in your avatar about?
 
I purchased the rifle back in June and overall for the price point I have been very happy with it. Been lurking and reading about everyone's experience with the 250z and just wanted to share my thoughts on my gen 1 250z. I welcome any opinions or advice...

Inspection of the barrel shows a machining gouge to the rifling about 7mm into the chamber. I assume this was the pilot of the bit that cut the chamber chamfer. The gouge is not uniforms as about 30% of the rifling is undamaged...30% however is fairly deep. It's like the rifling is smeared and wider on several lands.

Slugging the barrel shows significant difference of engagement the lands have on the bearing surface of the projectile when comparing one side to the other. I believe I also received one of the few choked barrels. The push down the barrel is very uniform but loose once past the chamber then it tightens up for the last 5 inches or so.

I ported/polished the thimble and transfer port to 4.4mm(should have tried 4.2 first). Barrel has been moderately polished throughout but heavily polished in the chamber area....crown is beautiful.

The stock spring cranked all the way in with the slug power weight can be tuned to same accuracy but I haven't dialed in which is most efficient however I believe no weight is best.

The rifle loves the 21.9 AEA and 28.5 JSB redesign. Both shoot 10 shot dime size groups at 50 yards at 920-1000fps and 875-925fps respectively. This works for me as the same tune and both pellets love to be pushed at the top of those fps ranges

Using a pellet gauge on about 20 different pellets from 18.1-28.5 grains I've discovered the the rifle really only likes pellets with a larger head diameter. The AEA 21.9 is 5.59 or larger and the JSB 5.56-5.57. The pellet gauge stops at 5.58 but the AEA's are the only pellets I've encountered this large

Slugs I've tried: JSB KO 25gr MK1 and MK2 .216
H&N hp2 .217 in 21/23/25/27 gr
Zan .217 in 20/23/25.5/28 gr
NSA .217 in 24.8 gr
NSA .2175 in 20.2/23.0/24.8
NSA .218 in 20.2/23.0/24.8/27.5
FX Hybrid 22gr(.217)
NSA .218 23gr/24.8 and FX slugs performed best but the groupings are very inconsistent shooting 1.5 inches to 2 inches 5-10 shot groups. Sometimes it will stack 2-3 shots however the amount of fliers does not justify using slugs over pellets.

I could never get a slug to shoot well. This of course is a budget rifle and I figured it would be a journey but I would eventually find the tune for the right slug. I have since come to the conclusion that there isn't a magic slug that ignores the barrel damage lol

I just reached out to Barra and they have offered a factory warranty replacement barrel and for that I'm grateful. However I cannot justify giving up a barrel that shoots so darn good with 2 different pellets on the same tune. The customer service assured me that they would inspect and send me a barrel with no damage.
Very informative, I will inspect my barrel after it's cleaned. I am hoping the next batch of guns come out with better QC.
Thanks
 
So far all three of the barrels I have for my 250Z have these tooling marks at both ends. Land distorted so bad they distort the Pellets and Slugs. Groups are terrible. Waiting for Jake to pull and inspect a replacement. Hope it's soon. Other wise the Gun hold pressure well, and everything I shoot in it to test, had a SD of less than 2 FPS. I can't get my other PCP to get that good of SD.
 

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