Extreme Field Target Extreme Field Target Rules, Explanation And Experiences

[GHairgunner]

Yes, if you have the targets. You can always start with various spinners like they do in Oregon.

You can go with spinners but I really like the if it doesn't fall down it is not a hit. So much arguing the spinners was it the wind or a nick? Was it a hit or did you hit the dirt out in front and got something to wiggle the spinner? I love the XFT and really love the knock downs.

 

[Centercut]

You can go with spinners but I really like the if it doesn't fall down it is not a hit. So much arguing the spinners was it the wind or a nick? Was it a hit or did you hit the dirt out in front and got something to wiggle the spinner? I love the XFT and really love the knock downs.

I do too, but Wayne in Oregon has been using Spinners at his event for three years now and there have been few disputes. Normally we have someone on a spotting scope calling the hits. If it moves it’s an X. If not, it’s a 0. We all prefer the knock downs but something is better than nothing.

 

[Solo1]

I do too, but Wayne in Oregon has been using Spinners at his event for three years now and there have been few disputes. Normally we have someone on a spotting scope calling the hits. If it moves it’s an X. If not, it’s a 0. We all prefer the knock downs but something is better than nothing.

We have to help some of these md’s out a bit and show them you can modify gamo targets with plain 1/4” steel to withstand 80 fpe. The targets were shooting in hp are just that and are holding up granted their not like what aoa has but i made 11 faceplates and some discs for the paddles out of a 2 foot square 1/4” steel plate with a torch for $125 thats with shipping on line! So its really not that expensive to be able to shoot knock down targets!

 

[Centercut]

We have to help some of these md’s out a bit and show them you can modify gamo targets with plain 1/4” steel to withstand 80 fpe. The targets were shooting in hp are just that and are holding up granted their not like what aoa has but i made 11 faceplates and some discs for the paddles out of a 2 foot square 1/4” steel plate with a torch for $125 thats with shipping on line! So its really not that expensive to be able to shoot knock down targets!

Interesting... 80 FPE does nothing for anyone, and it SHOULD be limited to 100 FPE. Shooting .30 caliber, you're very often in excess of 80 FPE, especially if you're shooting 50.1 JSB or 56 ZAN... I'd be willing to bet clubs that "limit" the power to 80 FPE have shooters routinely exceeding 80 FPE.

 

[Solo1]

Interesting... 80 FPE does nothing for anyone, and it SHOULD be limited to 100 FPE. Shooting .30 caliber, you're very often in excess of 80 FPE, especially if you're shooting 50.1 JSB or 56 ZAN... I'd be willing to bet clubs that "limit" the power to 80 FPE have shooters routinely exceeding 80 FPE.

Well thats possible but thats what our match director says so i go with it. I shoot 22 or 25 cal so im well under. The md shoots 30 but i think 44’s. Our targets i think might take 100 we just haven’t proved it yet but they show no real damage and some of our faceplates are 3/16” and are holding up to 80 fpe so regular 1/4” should take a pounding! Hell even if 1 gets a little bent a hammer should fix it or just replace i mean its not costing $3-400 for a target!

 

[isledweller]

Interesting... 80 FPE does nothing for anyone, ...

please expand on this statement. Not understanding the meaning behind it.

Kinda sounds something like telling the WFTF shooters that 12 fpe does nothing, all should shoot at 20 fpe which I don't believe was that statement's intent.

Not that it's required, but that value was chosen from all the others rules that I read from other venues which included one imposing an 80 fpe limit. Basically took bits and pieces from all those rules read and used the ones that fit my venue for the set of rules we came up with.

Do we have a few over 80 fpe.......probably, do we have a majority well under.........absolutely! There are only a couple of 0.30's, most are 0.22 & 0.25. As of now, I know for a fact that we have quite a few lower energy participants with some 0.22 cals at 25 fpe and a higher energy participant with my 0.30 at 76 fpe.

There are a few people using non highline, non high energy rigs, so my job is to make them feel welcome and not alienate them while still providing a challenge to the more serious competitors.....so the 80 fpe was chosen, but is not enforced. I didn't want too high of a value as to turn off those at the lower end that didn't think they could play using what they had.

People attend to spend the day with like minded individuals and at the end of the day there are plenty of smiles at all my matches, so I believe I did my job.

 

[Centercut]

please expand on this statement. Not understanding the meaning behind it.

Kinda sounds something like telling the WFTF shooters that 12 fpe does nothing, all should shoot at 20 fpe which I don't believe was that statement's intent.

Not that it's required, but that value was chosen from all the others rules that I read from other venues which included one imposing an 80 fpe limit. Basically took bits and pieces from all those rules read and used the ones that fit my venue for the set of rules we came up with.

Do we have a few over 80 fpe.......probably, do we have a majority well under.........absolutely! There are only a couple of 0.30's, most are 0.22 & 0.25. As of now, I know for a fact that we have quite a few lower energy participants with some 0.22 cals at 25 fpe and a higher energy participant with my 0.30 at 76 fpe.

There are a few people using non highline, non high energy rigs, so my job is to make them feel welcome and not alienate them while still providing a challenge to the more serious competitors.....so the 80 fpe was chosen, but is not enforced. I didn't want too high of a value as to turn off those at the lower end that didn't think they could play using what they had.

People attend to spend the day with like minded individuals and at the end of the day there are plenty of smiles at all my matches, so I believe I did my job.

If you have serious shooters with .30 caliber, all 80 fpe does is encourage cheating. Why look the other way when you know guys are over 80 fpe instead of just making the rule 100 fpe so no one needs to cheat? If a shooter is using 50.1 or 56 grain pellets, he’s over 80 fpe more than likely.
That’s what I meant by my statement. The limit is based on what the targets can handle. All the big EFT GP events in the USA use 100 fpe pellets only.
Of course, as MD it’s up to you, but 80 really doesn’t make much sense with current high power air rifles. IMHO

 

[Solo1]

If you have serious shooters with .30 caliber, all 80 fpe does is encourage cheating. Why look the other way when you know guys are over 80 fpe instead of just making the rule 100 fpe so no one needs to cheat? If a shooter is using 50.1 or 56 grain pellets, he’s over 80 fpe more than likely.
That’s what I meant by my statement. The limit is based on what the targets can handle. All the big EFT GP events in the USA use 100 fpe pellets only.
Of course, as MD it’s up to you, but 80 really doesn’t make much sense with current high power air rifles. IMHO

To me this all falls back to do we make a lot of rules to try to discourage cheating or just turn a blind eye. Some people cheat thats who they are most don’t thats who they are. You will have this no matter what rules are involved as the people are who they are.

 

[isledweller]

If you have serious shooters with .30 caliber, all 80 fpe does is encourage cheating. Why look the other way when you know guys are over 80 fpe instead of just making the rule 100 fpe so no one needs to cheat? If a shooter is using 50.1 or 56 grain pellets, he’s over 80 fpe more than likely.
That’s what I meant by my statement. The limit is based on what the targets can handle. All the big EFT GP events in the USA use 100 fpe pellets only.
Of course, as MD it’s up to you, but 80 really doesn’t make much sense with current high power air rifles. IMHO

Thanks for the clarification and your opinion.

While developing the rules and modifying targets to use, I polled any and all likely "local" competitors to our matches and asked the question as to what they were shooting energy wise. There was no one "locally" that was over 80 fpe, I understand the need for some to go bigger and don't discourage that. If and when someone wants to attend and questions the power level, we'll revisit it.

After looking back since we started this high power FT, I guess I'm the only one shooting 0.30 and I'm at 76 fpe. Might be a couple 0.25's that have their velocity cranked, but they too are under 80 fpe.

Things change and so will we if needed. For now, I have no hesitation of our homemade targets handling the power levels we set forth.

Greg

 

[Solo1]

After a bit more thought on this i better understand centercuts reasoning. His matches are more often than not having prize money where as our matches are just for fun and bragging rights so yea there is a difference.

 

[wolfmangreg]

Can see the value in both centralized rules & local adaptations.

If you're expecting only locals will attend, don't see a problem with equipment limitations or allowances based on what people will be shooting, & what the targets can handle.

That said, really like that all Grand Prix have clearly defined (for the most part) parameters. If I'm traveling halfway across the country to attend one (& I will be), darn sure don't want to show up & find out my equipment is illegal, or can't possibly be competitive.

For me at least, it isn't about the money or prizes (ain't gonna cover my airline ticket, hotel room, & rental car ), just wanting to do as well as my abilities allow. If my talent & preparation equals last place, that's on me. I can either get better or accept that I stink.

 

[cavedweller]

Can see the value in both centralized rules & local adaptations.

If you're expecting only locals will attend, don't see a problem with equipment limitations or allowances based on what people will be shooting, & what the targets can handle.

That said, really like that all Grand Prix have clearly defined (for the most part) parameters. If I'm traveling halfway across the country to attend one (& I will be), darn sure don't want to show up & find out my equipment is illegal, or can't possibly be competitive.

For me at least, it isn't about the money or prizes (ain't gonna cover my airline ticket, hotel room, & rental car ), just wanting to do as well as my abilities allow. If my talent & preparation equals last place, that's on me. I can either get better or accept that I stink.

Sounds like my world.

 

[Hateful McNasty]

A near anything goes fun class. No one feels or gets left out ..

 

[cavedweller]

Interesting... 80 FPE does nothing for anyone, and it SHOULD be limited to 100 FPE. Shooting .30 caliber, you're very often in excess of 80 FPE, especially if you're shooting 50.1 JSB or 56 ZAN... I'd be willing to bet clubs that "limit" the power to 80 FPE have shooters routinely exceeding 80 FPE.

Hey Mike,
While i have acquired 45 regular FT targets, I've yet to find a repeatable source for EFT targets.
Who is Making / selling them? is AOA the only show in town with Action Armour brand? I really want to get an EFT event scheduled for Mobile, Alabama in 2025.
Of course I'm still hunting for 10-16 acres of the right land for purchase for a full time FT home.

 

[Centercut]

There is Action Armour from AoA. I think there is also a guy/guys in Idaho that are making pretty good targets. I'll need to find the contact info.

 

[Solo1]

Hey Mike,
While i have acquired 45 regular FT targets, I've yet to find a repeatable source for EFT targets.
Who is Making / selling them? is AOA the only show in town with Action Armour brand? I really want to get an EFT event scheduled for Mobile, Alabama in 2025.
Of course I'm still hunting for 10-16 acres of the right land for purchase for a full time FT home.

We make high power targets out of regular targets by making 1/4” mild steel face plates and welding 1/4” on the paddle if you don’t want to spend thousands on targets and have to hire the hulk to pull the ropes!