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Others Ever since owning only AF guns

If I ever go to the dark side (unregulated pcps) an AF condor .25 full-length monster set to 75ish fpe would be my choice. However, until AF upgrades a few items I refuse, it's just a matter of principle. It's 2025, and the guns have been out for a long time now...... they can put a decent grip and trigger, offer a reg, and get a blinking cover for the bottle. Saw some guy on YT put a .30 barrel on his Condor, and a pretty neat paintball gun bottle cover looked amazing.
My first PCP was my AA S510. People asked for a regulator, AA installed one. They asked for 2 mags, AA now sells em with 2 mags. They offer (gasp!) tons of different stock options, ditched the anti-tamper crud, and improved the power selector so the 5 positions click positively and don't move during use anymore. Listened to their customers.... Sold me!!
 
Lot to be said for unregulated and simple construction. I just bought my second Air Force PCP. And at least part of the rationale for that was how many valves I've had leak in the Ghost. Just had my fourth (or maybe fifth? Lost count) failed Ghost valve. That's simply too many. Bene needing to make a post on the ongoing review for the Ghost, just haven't yet.

My low pressure fill, unregulated USFT has been my most trouble free PCP, I saw that with my first Condor, and expect the same from this second one.

Im a single feed guy, prefer to single feed even with guns that have good magazine systems. So that doesn't bother me. And I also have no qualms with unregulated. Hell, I just used my unregulated USFT to shoot the overall high score at a little monthly field target match this past weekend. There were Thomas and BlackWolf and Red Wolf, etc at that match. My gun was the only unregulated gun. I don't view regulated as automatically better, and in many ways, unregulated is better (first shot consistency, general reliabilty, etc). I also appreciate low fill pressure. The air goes a lot further when you're not filling to 250 bar.

So, yeah, there's a lot to like about about simplicity. (Industry doesn't like us to realize that.)
 
Franklink said:
Lot to be said for unregulated and simple construction. I just bought my second Air Force PCP. And at least part of the rationale for that was how many valves I've had leak in the Ghost. Just had my fourth (or maybe fifth? Lost count) failed Ghost valve. That's simply too many. Bene needing to make a post on the ongoing review for the Ghost, just haven't yet.

My low pressure fill, unregulated USFT has been my most trouble free PCP, I saw that with my first Condor, and expect the same from this second one.

Im a single feed guy, prefer to single feed even with guns that have good magazine systems. So that doesn't bother me. And I also have no qualms with unregulated. Hell, I just used my unregulated USFT to shoot the overall high score at a little monthly field target match this past weekend. There were Thomas and BlackWolf and Red Wolf, etc at that match. My gun was the only unregulated gun. I don't view regulated as automatically better, and in many ways, unregulated is better (first shot consistency, general reliabilty, etc). I also appreciate low fill pressure. The air goes a lot further when you're not filling to 250 bar.

So, yeah, there's a lot to like about about simplicity. (Industry doesn't like us to realize that.)
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All great points! I appreciate the simplicity of them.
 
Chief55 said:
Just the fact that they are using lower pressure is a help to me. Beter for the gun and the compressor both. Not to mention fewer seals. I got rid of all my guns that use more than 3600psi.
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Well, I wouldn't go so far as to get rid of my Paradigm but I usually don't fill it over 3600psi either.
 
Franklink said:
Lot to be said for unregulated and simple construction. I just bought my second Air Force PCP. And at least part of the rationale for that was how many valves I've had leak in the Ghost. Just had my fourth (or maybe fifth? Lost count) failed Ghost valve. That's simply too many. Bene needing to make a post on the ongoing review for the Ghost, just haven't yet.

My low pressure fill, unregulated USFT has been my most trouble free PCP, I saw that with my first Condor, and expect the same from this second one.

Im a single feed guy, prefer to single feed even with guns that have good magazine systems. So that doesn't bother me. And I also have no qualms with unregulated. Hell, I just used my unregulated USFT to shoot the overall high score at a little monthly field target match this past weekend. There were Thomas and BlackWolf and Red Wolf, etc at that match. My gun was the only unregulated gun. I don't view regulated as automatically better, and in many ways, unregulated is better (first shot consistency, general reliabilty, etc). I also appreciate low fill pressure. The air goes a lot further when you're not filling to 250 bar.

So, yeah, there's a lot to like about about simplicity. (Industry doesn't like us to realize that.)
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I will hold you to it, I'd love a Ghost update!👍 That's alot of valves... definitely not the norm🤔 I recall yours is one of the first ones out?
Did you grab another .20cal AF, then? I was surprised (and a bit sad) when you sold your other AF. Single shot is a non issue agreed, pested with springers for over 20yrs.....but I won't say no to a good magazine system! I simply will not buy any pcp 'requiring' more than 250bar fill.
 
Sean said:
My talon p has leaked from the fill nipple. De gassed popped another in and aired up. That was 4 years ago. My lelya 2.0 leaked from the reservoir in the first year I got it. Only leak so far easy fix too.
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Oh yeah, the fill port can sometimes leak if the O-ring dries out. A drop of silicone oil every now and then goes a long way toward keeping it sealed and extending its life. I actually caused a leak on my old Talon SS by hand-pumping it from 0 to 3000 PSI—turns out the O-ring didn’t appreciate that. In case you’re wondering, it took about 700 strokes. I took breaks.
 
PasadenaMike said:
Oh yeah, the fill port can sometimes leak if the O-ring dries out. A drop of silicone oil every now and then goes a long way toward keeping it sealed and extending its life. I actually caused a leak on my old Talon SS by hand-pumping it from 0 to 3000 PSI—turns out the O-ring didn’t appreciate that. In case you’re wondering, it took about 700 strokes. I took breaks.
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I am a hand pumper! The talonp is no problem, I only pump my edgun to 250 or so, maybe a bit more. My pump doesn't like it thou. I want to get one of those 12 volt compressors. But the hill mk 4? Is holding up to the work somehow!
 
Sean said:
I took mine apart the other day to remove the auto safety toggle.Really easy to do. I removed the bottle. Finally!! Couple tappy taps with punch and lightest hammer. 8I unscrewed the cocking handle pulled the stupid plastic breech hammer thingy turned the gun upside down , pushed the safety off, the auto toggle fell out. Back on knee ,3 or four taps with hammer and punch pin back in. Put hammer breech thingy back in screwed in cocking handle. Bottleback on hand tight against spin loc collar tighten spin collar Allen screw . Done! No banging , no pounding . A couple light taps pin in pin out. Done on my knee In my folding lawn chair.
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Yeah, it was easy, this time. Now think about doing that again, and again, for years down the road. What do you think is going to happen? Do you believe that the aluminum heals itself after a while? It is basically a destructive fastener with absolutely no thought or care given to long term ownership. I keep what I buy. I don't pass my problems on to others, nor do I expect to have any from just doing service to a gun. Their use shouldn't even be a consideration, beyond one time use items. And let's not forget, these airguns aren't, and never have been inexpensive. They have been charging good money, they should have been using better parts, -all along. I give credit where credit is due, and I post complaints where they're warranted too.
 
Pumacarl said:
Yeah, it was easy, this time. Now think about doing that again, and again, for years down the road. What do you think is going to happen? Do you believe that the aluminum heals itself after a while? It is basically a destructive fastener with absolutely no thought or care given to long term ownership. I keep what I buy. I don't pass my problems on to others, nor do I expect to have any from just doing service to a gun. Their use shouldn't even be a consideration, beyond one time use items. And let's not forget, these airguns aren't, and never have been inexpensive. They have been charging good money, they should have been using better parts, -all along. I give credit where credit is due, and I post complaints where they're warranted too.
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Unless I replace safrey toggle for s warranty or mess with the trigger or something . I don't think I'll ever need to do it again. I'd like to see your set up when You get it all done. I'd like to mill my own version of the af tube and drivetrain myself. I think it can be made a lot stronger while maintaining the simplicity .
 
Sean said:
Unless I replace safrey toggle for s warranty or mess with the trigger or something . I don't think I'll ever need to do it again. I'd like to see your set up when You get it all done. I'd like to mill my own version of the af tube and drivetrain myself. I think it can be made a lot stronger while maintaining the simplicity .
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Looking at how it's made, and depending on how much I use it, I definately see myself looking in on it occasionally. Sometimes s4!t happens, you drop a gun in a pond (falling in) or some other weird scenario and you want to clean it out too. Long term, who knows? I don't want to hijack Mike's thread any more than I have, but I am going to post on mine what I have planned so far.
 
PasadenaMike said:
I can’t overstate the peace of mind that comes with owning only AirForce airguns. Every other brand I’ve owned had so many seals, I was constantly worried about leaks. My life’s too busy to deal with malfunctioning, leaky guns. Now, I don’t stare at pressure gauges or run shots over a chronograph to check if a regulator failed. No worrying about POI shift—I just shoot and don’t think twice.
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I feel the same way about my .308. It has gone through some changes as my 357 AEA but, both are simple builds and very effective.
 
There’s things that I like and don’t like about my TalonP. It’s the loudest airgun that I have when shot without a moderator. It doesn’t get many shots per fill. It’s a single shot. It doesn’t really fill a need for me. But, when I put it all in context: with a moderator it’s not really louder than my other PCPs. It trades shot quantity for compactness without compromise, it’s probably the most powerful air pistol that I’ve ever shot. I shot single shot springers for 50+ years and shoot my Barra 250z with the single shot tray - and enjoy doing so. It’s a fun gun - what more “need” is there lol? It’s well built, simple = reliable. I wasn’t looking to buy one, but the more I read these posts the more I was intrigued. It seems to be one of those guns that is fully functional without modification, but at the same time is a great platform for tinkerers/hackers. For $500 it’s solid. I do understand the dismay at not being able to decock it, but that is relatively easy to remedy. It’s a great platform to build a carbine off of.
 
Billm said:
There’s things that I like and don’t like about my TalonP. It’s the loudest airgun that I have when shot without a moderator. It doesn’t get many shots per fill. It’s a single shot. It doesn’t really fill a need for me. But, when I put it all in context: with a moderator it’s not really louder than my other PCPs. It trades shot quantity for compactness without compromise, it’s probably the most powerful air pistol that I’ve ever shot. I shot single shot springers for 50+ years and shoot my Barra 250z with the single shot tray - and enjoy doing so. It’s a fun gun - what more “need” is there lol? It’s well built, simple = reliable. I wasn’t looking to buy one, but the more I read these posts the more I was intrigued. It seems to be one of those guns that is fully functional without modification, but at the same time is a great platform for tinkerers/hackers. For $500 it’s solid. I do understand the dismay at not being able to decock it, but that is relatively easy to remedy. It’s a great platform to build a carbine off of.
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You missed one thing (that no one seems to talk about) how's the accuracy! As an owner of 3 high end, silly accurate (Ghost is off and on🙄) airguns, would I, could I?? be happy with the accuracy of a Condor? If it's inaccurate it doesn't earn it's keep as I'll never use it for pesting.
 
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Danman said:
You missed one thing (that no one seems to talk about) how's the accuracy! As an owner of 3 high end, silly accurate (Ghost is off and on🙄) airguns, would I, could I?? be happy with the accuracy of a Condor? If it's inaccurate it doesn't earn it's keep as I'll never use it for pesting.
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Air Force uses LW barrels, same as what comes in the Ghost. The new owner of the .20 Condor that I sold 8 or so months ago didn't want the .20 barrel that came in it. So I fit that very same Air Force LW .20 barrel into my USFT and have shot it at two field target matches. I was overall match high score in both of them. Both of those matches had past and or current national champs in various divisions also competing. And the Air Force .20 Lothar barrel was overall high score.

The LW barrels are AirForce Airguns biggest strength.

Links if anyone is interested...

Jan 2025 Report | Airgunnersofarizona

www.airgunnersofarizona.org www.airgunnersofarizona.org

 

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