Others What Group Size Do You Expect - .22 17.6gr 100yds?

[Billm]

I’m just curious what size group would you expect from a .22 PCP with a 12” barrel (pistol/carbine), from a bipod and rear rest, 17.6gr Dome pellet ($5 a tin), 795fps, 3-10mph variable crosswind? Seriously, not what you would like to see, but what you would consider acceptable and also what you would consider above expectations?

 

[Solo1]

I’m just curious what size group would you expect from a .22 PCP with a 12” barrel (pistol/carbine), from a bipod and rear rest, 17.6gr Dome pellet ($5 a tin), 795fps, 3-10mph variable crosswind? Seriously, not what you would like to see, but what you would consider acceptable and also what you would consider above expectations?

I see no reason to expect 2 1/2 “ -3” in those conditions and moa in still conditions. Thats not to say they might not be better

 

[Jaabaa]

I have done 100 yards with the JTS Aircuda std. And 3 inch groups where indeed possible when I took my time and didn't over think it.
If I just sat and tried to shoot 10 shots, as always get that 1 or 2 that wouldn't quite do what I'd expected.

What I learned about myself was that kind of of bench rest shooting bored me to death and that won't be my thing.

 

[Solo1]

It aint the easiest thing to master without one of those several thousand rests!

 

[Billm]

I’ve never considered benchrest shooting up until 18 months ago and now I really like shooting from a bench or table. I can get sub-MOA with my Sonoran and Ghost at 100yds on a good day. But, I kind of feel these rifles should be able to do that. My TalonP is pretty accurate out to 50ish yards, haven’t really tried it past that. The Air Venturi Microstrike .22 with a 10.65” barrel was getting 2.5” to 3.8” groups at 40yds with $15-$20 tins of pellets. Now, I’m playing with two other sub $300 pistols with folding stocks. One is a .23 and one a .177. I haven’t fired the .177 yet, but the .22 seems impressive. I wish I had one of the $1500 plus compacts to compare it to at 100yds.

 

[Solo1]

I’ve never considered benchrest shooting up until 18 months ago and now I really like shooting from a bench or table. I can get sub-MOA with my Sonoran and Ghost at 100yds on a good day. But, I kind of feel these rifles should be able to do that. My TalonP is pretty accurate out to 50ish yards, haven’t really tried it past that. The Air Venturi Microstrike .22 with a 10.65” barrel was getting 2.5” to 3.8” groups at 40yds with $15-$20 tins of pellets. Now, I’m playing with two other sub $300 pistols with folding stocks. One is a .23 and one a .177. I haven’t fired the .177 yet, but the .22 seems impressive. I wish I had one of the $1500 plus compacts to compare it to at 100yds.

The big thing you have going against you is lack of weight and the shortness of the gun with the guns your shooting. You can do better but you would have to spend a good amt of time to develop the best hold for them.

 

[Billm]

one sub-Mia .89 3 shot group. A few more at less than 1.5”. Waiting for no wind. Only 3 shot groups because it goes off the reg at 16 shots and drops fast. I tried some H&N 21gr slugs at a slow 749fps. I can get two shots within a 1” of each other and then one always seems to drift off. I don’t have enough to try much with them. I’d like to increase the power maybe. But the hammer is not adjustable and the reg has to be removed to adjust, not to mention the shot count.

 

[Billm]

I’m going to shoot it a lot more before making a conclusion, but for $270, so far so good.

 

[Billm]

The big thing you have going against you is lack of weight and the shortness of the gun with the guns your shooting. You can do better but you would have to spend a good amt of time to develop the best hold for them.

I tried to shoot with just a front rest, but the lightweight made it really difficult to control the muzzle.

 

[Pumacarl]

I’m just curious what size group would you expect from a .22 PCP with a 12” barrel (pistol/carbine), from a bipod and rear rest, 17.6gr Dome pellet ($5 a tin), 795fps, 3-10mph variable crosswind? Seriously, not what you would like to see, but what you would consider acceptable and also what you would consider above expectations?

The 3-10mph variable wind really throws a monkey wrench into this question. I have learned not to expect much from conditions that I can't control or have practiced for extensively. Getting good results in the wind is more because of the shooter than the equipment. I can't believe what some of the shooters at EBR do in those winds, all of their guns are accurate, it comes down to them/you.

 

[Solo1]

At pyramyd air cup the year i shot there on my last card i was holding on the bull on left to hit the 1 on the right!

 

[Danman]

I’m just curious what size group would you expect from a .22 PCP with a 12” barrel (pistol/carbine), from a bipod and rear rest, 17.6gr Dome pellet ($5 a tin), 795fps, 3-10mph variable crosswind? Seriously, not what you would like to see, but what you would consider acceptable and also what you would consider above expectations?

Ok i may be an outlier....i'd be completely happy with a 5-10inch group with that combo/conditions...on that note I wouldn't even bother. Same combo indoor? That i would try!....if i had 100Y indoors.

 

[Pumacarl]

Ok i may be an outlier....i'd be completely happy with a 5-10inch group with that combo/conditions...on that note I wouldn't even bother. Same combo indoor? That i would try!....if i had 100Y indoors.

Same. I've shot very well in consistent wind, but variable wind? That's where luck is needed, or patience. Usually I don't bother either. I am definately a fair weather plinker at heart.

 

[Billm]

I was shooting spinners today at 101 yards with the Alpha, by holding 2 mil to the left. The spinners are 2.7”. I am totally amazed by this little gun, with a 12” barrel. I wasn’t expecting better than a 3 or 4” group at 100yds. I’m not sure how lethal 18 gr pellets would be at 100yds. I put the Chrono down range and it indicated 12ftlb at 100 yards, but they weren’t flipping the spinners very fast. I have to pretty much shoot in variable wind, if I want to shoot at home. I’m also impressed by the cheap Norma pellets, I see why they received a HAM Gold award. It does get old having to fill it constantly, but it will make a great little woods gun or pester. I attached the wind graph, highlighted for the time I was shooting. It definitely out shot the Microstrike. Snowpeak got this barrel right .

The 3-10mph variable wind really throws a monkey wrench into this question. I have learned not to expect much from conditions that I can't control or have practiced for extensively. Getting good results in the wind is more because of the shooter than the equipment. I can't believe what some of the shooters at EBR do in those winds, all of their guns are accurate, it comes down to them/you.

You’re right, I should have left the wind out of the question, it’s a variable that the projectile has a little impact on (BC), but not the gun. The real point of my question is whether or not the 100yd accuracy of the Alpha is as notable as I think it is lol. I don’t have much to compare it too. I mentioned the wind because I shot five or six consecutive groups with the smallest group at less than 1” and the others between 1” and 1.5” . With groups that size in the stated winds, I would expect that the carbines capable of even better groups in a no wind setting. There’s no external adjustments on the gun, which means factory tune. I hope to shoot it some more tomorrow and maybe compare it to the Pinty Buster. It was 78f here last week and now we have snow forecast at 3am, so it may curtail any shooting lol.