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[Kraz1]

So if Dragon AKA Mike, upgraded it, it could possibly shoot higher pressures? I wonder if they keep records based on the serial numbers. This I'll reach out to them and see if they can tell me anything about the mods. I'll pick up the pump this weekend from the guy I bought it from and start testing. Bill you have a chronograph? East Milton is like 9 miles from me. I have 21 acres here off Berryhill, 2 driveways down from the new Walmart. I shoot all types of guns in my yard.

 

[Dogowski]

Shot count is probably 10 or so. But not much velocity. Need a fairly light pellet. PCP run at least double those pressures and get 800-900 FPS with 18gr .22

I agree with @Dogowski that you should look into a decent used, if older, PCP like Benjamin Marauder, Air Venturi Avenger, Hatsan Flash or AirForce TalonSS.

That would be the safest and best bet as even after doing all these upgrades you don't get but maybe 10 to 15 shots and the power is around 550 fps max if I remember mine correctly. Not ethical for any kills if you are hunting and target shooting you spend more time filling than shooting. There's so many great pcp rifles in what would be a first time user situation that it would be a shame not to get one instead of trying to upgrade and use this one. If it also came with the Co2 cap just use 2 caridges as it was intended for in its first place. Better safe than sorry!

 

[Kraz1]

That would be the safest and best bet as even after doing all these upgrades you don't get but maybe 10 to 15 shots and the power is around 550 fps max if I remember mine correctly. Not ethical for any kills if you are hunting and target shooting you spend more time filling than shooting. There's so many great pcp rifles in what would be a first time user situation that it would be a shame not to get one instead of trying to upgrade and use this one. If it also came with the Co2 cap just use 2 caridges as it was intended for in its first place. Better safe than sorry!

I know this is off topic, but does this Gammo Wildcat Whisper in .177 I have rally shoot 1,300FPS? That's what it claims on the barrel. I don't have a chronograph so there is no way for me to know. I know it kills squirrels in one shot 9 out of 10 times. I upgraded the scope to a Nikon because I didn't like the Gammo that came with it. I bought it off of Amazon last Christmas for $139.99. The Benjamin Pump I grew up shooting was a 347 (.177) from the early 80's, brass barrel, walnut stock. I still have it. It is 40 years old and still shoots good. I had the pump rebuilt.

 

[SpindleB]

I know this is off topic, but does this Gammo Wildcat Whisper in .177 I have rally shoot 1,300FPS? That's what it claims on the barrel. I don't have a chronograph so there is no way for me to know. I know it kills squirrels in one shot 9 out of 10 times. I upgraded the scope to a Nikon because I didn't like the Gammo that came with it. I bought it off of Amazon last Christmas for $139.99. The Benjamin Pump I grew up shooting was a 347 (.177) from the early 80's, brass barrel, walnut stock. I still have it. It is 40 years old and still shoots good. I had the pump rebuilt.

1300 is, maybe, with a light alloy pellet.
It is also very loud as that is well above supersonic.

I own a .22 whisper, my neighbor has it, and alloy pellets do crack the sound barrier. So more than 1100FPS.

Stick to lead pellets that stay under 1100FPS.

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Ad says 1300fps max, but elsewhere I've seen 1100fps max.

 

[RobbieGio]

Hello and welcome from another new member!

 

[hameditor]

Hello and welcome from another new member!

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[PapaT]

I know this is off topic, but does this Gammo Wildcat Whisper in .177 I have rally shoot 1,300FPS? That's what it claims on the barrel. I don't have a chronograph so there is no way for me to know. I know it kills squirrels in one shot 9 out of 10 times. I upgraded the scope to a Nikon because I didn't like the Gammo that came with it. I bought it off of Amazon last Christmas for $139.99. The Benjamin Pump I grew up shooting was a 347 (.177) from the early 80's, brass barrel, walnut stock. I still have it. It is 40 years old and still shoots good. I had the pump rebuilt.

Long live the Benjis. We won't complain if you share photos.

Spindle already gave a good breakdown on the "1300".

 

[Kraz1]

Long live the Benjis. We won't complain if you share photos.

Spindle already gave a good breakdown on the "1300".

I love my 347. I had to post a photo of it since it's 40+ years old and still drives tacks at 25 yards. I took a pic of that sticker on the stock. It came on the gun when I took it out of the box Christmas morning 1984 or 85.

On another note, I was shooting the Gamo Wildcat yesterday getting ready for the PCP gun I got the pump for yesterday with the rebuild kit. I swear that Wildcat is inconsistent. I added a longer trigger screw, it's like 1lb pull now, I have a Nikon Prostaff scope on it torqued to the correct specifications that has been one of the best scope I've ever owned. On my .223, I could hit a quarter at 100 yards with it. I'm trying 3 different brands and weight pellets. but I keep getting flyers no mater what I do. What would everyone think a reasonable shot count for a break in period should be? Its got around 100 shots through it I would guess? It likes the H&N 10.6g match. The lighter 7.6g Gamo and 7.4g Crossman pellets fly even worse. I understand the artilleries hold before it gets thrown out there, and I'm shooting out of a Caldwell led sled. Nothing moving in it. Any suggestions? I had a Gamo for a couple of years that was awesome. This one, not so much.

 

[Danman]

On another note, I was shooting the Gamo Wildcat yesterday getting ready for the PCP gun I got the pump for yesterday with the rebuild kit. I swear that Wildcat is inconsistent. I added a longer trigger screw, it's like 1lb pull now, I have a Nikon Prostaff scope on it torqued to the correct specifications that has been one of the best scope I've ever owned. On my .223, I could hit a quarter at 100 yards with it. I'm trying 3 different brands and weight pellets. but I keep getting flyers no mater what I do. What would everyone think a reasonable shot count for a break in period should be? Its got around 100 shots through it I would guess? It likes the H&N 10.6g match. The lighter 7.6g Gamo and 7.4g Crossman pellets fly even worse. I understand the artilleries hold before it gets thrown out there, and I'm shooting out of a Caldwell led sled. Nothing moving in it. Any suggestions? I had a Gamo for a couple of years that was awesome. This one, not so much.View attachment 17964View attachment 17965

Hmmm a few red flags here on the gamo...
- I wouldn't be using a lead sled on a springer. If the butt is tight in the back that's generally not helpful for accuracy.
- Is that scope rated for a powerful springer? Ive seen scopes get trashed pretty quick on one!
- You have tried 3 pellets so far? I recommend trying a few more, maybe throw in a heavier crosman or Jsb to the mix.
- Lastly if you can grab a chronograph that will rule out a speed inconsistency from the gun itself.

 

[Kraz1]

Thanks Dan, I'm going to Academy today, I'll see what they got. The H&N was the heaviest at 10.6g. I tried the artillery shooting as well as the led sled. Hand under the fore grip, not against my shoulder, still wild fliers. I'm still wondering about break in period. The trigger was really bad until I adjusted it. For the record, I've been shooting my entire life. I distance shoot with a 6.5 Creedmoor I built. I'm shooting close to 1,000 yards with it. I'm just getting back into air guns because I got 2 grandkids now. I want to start them off like my dad did me.

 

[Kraz1]

I forgot, the Nikon I have was on a 5.56. It has been the best $150 scope I have ever owned. It's been discontinued. I would think if it can absorb the recoil of a 5.56, it should handle this springer correct? Teach me something if I'm wrong please.

 

[Danman]

I forgot, the Nikon I have was on a 5.56. It has been the best $150 scope I have ever owned. It's been discontinued. I would think if it can absorb the recoil of a 5.56, it should handle this springer correct? Teach me something if I'm wrong please.

Its tough to believe but a heavy springer is FAR harder on a scope than any small cal firearm. Its the double recoil that does em in from the mainspring. Messed around with a brothers Diana 350mag (1100fps) and a scope and it'll slide regular strength mounts right off it by the 50th shot. Any scope that isnt an etched reticle will be shredded, and even they can fail. I dont doubt the scope or your experience but It's a different game for sure!
It was enough of a bad taste that I got an 11 and a 13fpe springer myself (around 800-880fps in .177) and find them more enjoyable and more accurate/consistent. Definitely stick with pellets around the 10gr weight to keep the speeds down...what distance are you shooting at with it?
I would consider it truly broken-in after one tin (4-500) of pellets is through it.

 

[PapaT]

Definitely like to dedicate a tin of pellets to break-in, for barrel and gun settlement. Also verify screws all tight before and after every shooting session, at least for a tin worth of pellets.

 

[FL22]

I forgot, the Nikon I have was on a 5.56. It has been the best $150 scope I have ever owned. It's been discontinued. I would think if it can absorb the recoil of a 5.56, it should handle this springer correct? Teach me something if I'm wrong please.

Its tough to believe but a heavy springer is FAR harder on a scope than any small cal firearm. Its the double recoil that does em in from the mainspring. Messed around with a brothers Diana 350mag (1100fps) and a scope and it'll slide regular strength mounts right off it by the 50th shot. Any scope that isnt an etched reticle will be shredded, and even they can fail. I dont doubt the scope or your experience but It's a different game for sure!
It was enough of a bad taste that I got an 11 and a 13fpe springer myself (around 800-880fps in .177) and find them more enjoyable and more accurate/consistent. Definitely stick with pellets around the 10gr weight to keep the speeds down...what distance are you shooting at with it?
I would consider it truly broken-in after one tin (4-500) of pellets is through it.

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[Kraz1]

Its tough to believe but a heavy springer is FAR harder on a scope than any small cal firearm. Its the double recoil that does em in from the mainspring. Messed around with a brothers Diana 350mag (1100fps) and a scope and it'll slide regular strength mounts right off it by the 50th shot. Any scope that isnt an etched reticle will be shredded, and even they can fail. I dont doubt the scope or your experience but It's a different game for sure!
It was enough of a bad taste that I got an 11 and a 13fpe springer myself (around 800-880fps in .177) and find them more enjoyable and more accurate/consistent. Definitely stick with pellets around the 10gr weight to keep the speeds down...what distance are you shooting at with it?
I would consider it truly broken-in after one tin (4-500) of pellets is through it.

OK, from the information you've given me, it's not broke in yet. It does have a hell of a kick back, and it's loud. This makes me believe it's not subsonic for sure. I found more pellets today but they are in the 10.6g class. Strange how well the other Gamo I had was so accurate. What about the Gamo scope that came on it? Are they designed any better?

 

[Billm]

So if Dragon AKA Mike, upgraded it, it could possibly shoot higher pressures? I wonder if they keep records based on the serial numbers. This I'll reach out to them and see if they can tell me anything about the mods. I'll pick up the pump this weekend from the guy I bought it from and start testing. Bill you have a chronograph? East Milton is like 9 miles from me. I have 21 acres here off Berryhill, 2 driveways down from the new Walmart. I shoot all types of guns in my yard.

I do have a chronograph. Both of my daughters and all of my grandkids live in Pace.

 

[PapaT]

OK, from the information you've given me, it's not broke in yet. It does have a hell of a kick back, and it's loud. This makes me believe it's not subsonic for sure. I found more pellets today but they are in the 10.6g class. Strange how well the other Gamo I had was so accurate. What about the Gamo scope that came on it? Are they designed any better?

Pack in scopes are never designed well. Older Gamo guns were built to a different standard and practice than today's.

 

[Kraz1]

I do have a chronograph. Both of my daughters and all of my grandkids live in Pace.

Well I'm easy to find sir. I currently don't posses a chronograph. I'll DM you.

 

[Kraz1]

Pack in scopes are never designed well. Older Gamo guns were built to a different standard and practice than today's.

This I can believe. My old one, don't remember the model now was deadly with the Gamo scope, right out of the box.

 

[Dogowski]

I love my 347. I had to post a photo of it since it's 40+ years old and still drives tacks at 25 yards. I took a pic of that sticker on the stock. It came on the gun when I took it out of the box Christmas morning 1984 or 85.

On another note, I was shooting the Gamo Wildcat yesterday getting ready for the PCP gun I got the pump for yesterday with the rebuild kit. I swear that Wildcat is inconsistent. I added a longer trigger screw, it's like 1lb pull now, I have a Nikon Prostaff scope on it torqued to the correct specifications that has been one of the best scope I've ever owned. On my .223, I could hit a quarter at 100 yards with it. I'm trying 3 different brands and weight pellets. but I keep getting flyers no mater what I do. What would everyone think a reasonable shot count for a break in period should be? Its got around 100 shots through it I would guess? It likes the H&N 10.6g match. The lighter 7.6g Gamo and 7.4g Crossman pellets fly even worse. I understand the artilleries hold before it gets thrown out there, and I'm shooting out of a Caldwell led sled. Nothing moving in it. Any suggestions? I had a Gamo for a couple of years that was awesome. This one, not so much.View attachment 17964View attachment 17965

Great setup for some accurate shooting too man!