Break Barrel Beeman R9 .20 Cal Rare?

[Hateful McNasty]

That's definitely a mystery to me also. Isn't there a law or rule about country of origin being required on items imported into our country?

What other break barrel pellet rifles do you think are heirloom pieces? I hear a lot of positive things about the TX200. Tom Gaylord called it "The Spring-piston rifle to which all are compared." I Googled "Best Break Barrel Air Rifles" and IMO many of the guns listed where Chinese knock offs or outright Chinese like the B1 and B3 which I actually own, lol. I do like the Ruger Impact, it's a quality air rifle for the money.

Never had a a-arms I don't buy guns without sights ..lol. that's like buying a car without a steering wheel... Why have a gun you can't aim .. don't work too well around here. Nor do I collect . i shoot em ...

 

[Danman]

That's definitely a mystery to me also. Isn't there a law or rule about country of origin being required on items imported into our country?

What other break barrel pellet rifles do you think are heirloom pieces? I hear a lot of positive things about the TX200. Tom Gaylord called it "The Spring-piston rifle to which all are compared." I Googled "Best Break Barrel Air Rifles" and IMO many of the guns listed where Chinese knock offs or outright Chinese like the B1 and B3 which I actually own, lol. I do like the Ruger Impact, it's a quality air rifle for the money.

Would agree with you about the TX for sure. Mine as purchased shoots about as good as a PCP with 3/4inch 10shot groups at 30Y the norm... and all the while being drop dead gorgeous. It has been around for (don't quote me) 33/34 yrs now!? I won't brag about how many competitions they've been in or won. And....you could club someone 2 death with it.....you get the point It's solid!

 

[Elexious Musick]

Never had a a-arms I don't buy guns without sights ..lol. that's like buying a car without a steering wheel... Why have a gun you can't aim .. don't work too well around here. Nor do I collect . i shoot em ...

I enjoy shooting and collecting airguns. Accuracy is greatly improved with a good scope and intellect with an open mind. BTW: Pyramid Air lists the R9 as a German manufactured air rifle.

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[Elexious Musick]

Would agree with you about the TX for sure. Mine as purchased shoots about as good as a PCP with 3/4inch 10shot groups at 30Y the norm... and all the while being drop dead gorgeous. It has been around for (don't quote me) 33/34 yrs now!? I won't brag about how many competitions they've been in or won. And....you could club someone 2 death with it.....you get the point It's solid!

It's a very attractive air rifle! I think it's next on my short list of collectable heirloom pieces. Thanks for your insight.

 

[Hateful McNasty]

I enjoy shooting and collecting airguns. Accuracy is greatly improved with a good scope and intellect with an open mind. BTW: Pyramid Air lists the R9 as a German manufactured air rifle.

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That what they say .. I guess china can be from Germany as easy as German can be from china. Lol

I guessbits who hold the legal paperwork and deposits the checks ..

Heck I got to wonder if the HW's pay royalties to that china firm to make there own guns. ( Like 2% for every hw95 ..lol)
With all the buy the brand or holding company sale no telling who's what or what's what anymore today .. all said and done it just seems any 'ol holding company or china .. your choice ..

I got -0- confidants in "made in" or brand trust . It's all a farce .

The hw/r guns are good solid guns so your not hurting with one

 

[Elexious Musick]

That what they say .. I guess china can be from Germany as easy as German can be from china. Lol

I guessbits who hold the legal paperwork and deposits the checks ..

Heck I got to wonder if the HW's pay royalties to that china firm to make there own guns. ( Like 2% for every hw95 ..lol)
With all the buy the brand or holding company sale no telling who's what or what's what anymore today .. all said and done it just seems any 'ol holding company or china .. your choice ..

I got -0- confidants in "made in" or brand trust . It's all a farce .

The hw/r guns are good solid guns so your not hurting with one

Nah, the R9/HW95 are made in Germany. The lesser Beeman Line, which still has many outstanding airguns are manufactured in China.

 

[Hateful McNasty]

Nah, the R9/HW95 are made in Germany. The lesser Beeman Line, which still has many outstanding airguns are manufactured in China.

Ya, I understand that .. I was thinking licensing. As in form that article is it held by a china company .. ( regardless where it's made in ) . Like I say ... Made in holds no meaning today ..lol

 

[Elexious Musick]

Ya, I understand that .. I was thinking licensing. As in form that article is it held by a china company .. ( regardless where it's made in ) . Like I say ... Made in holds no meaning today ..lol

Why would licensing make a difference? Made in Germany or China is clearly identified by the Stamping, which is required for the following reasons:

Yes, a product's country of origin is important when it comes to import because it affects the following:

Duty rates: The country of origin determines the amount of duty an importer pays.

Trade agreements: The country of origin determines if a product is eligible for preferential tariff rates, such as free trade agreement rates.

Import quotas and trade sanctions: The country of origin regulates import quotas and trade sanctions.

Marking: The country of origin is important for marking purposes, as import regulations require the end user to be informed of the country of origin.

The country of origin is the country where a product was manufactured, produced, or grew. It's not the same as where the product was shipped from.

The U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) is vigilant about verifying accurate country of origin. They can issue legally-binding advance rulings to petitioners regarding country of origin determinations.

If a package or display contains product from multiple countries, then all countries must be on the label.

 

[Kragman1]

All, there are two different companies with rights to the Beeman name. Air Venturi owns the rights to the R guns made by Weihrauch, while another company (Marksman?) is using the Beeman name on Chinese imports.

I'm sure someone out there can give us more history/details, but that's the basics.

 

[Hateful McNasty]

Why would licensing make a difference? Made in Germany or China is clearly identified by the Stamping, which is required for the following reasons:

Yes, a product's country of origin is important when it comes to import because it affects the following:

Duty rates: The country of origin determines the amount of duty an importer pays.

Trade agreements: The country of origin determines if a product is eligible for preferential tariff rates, such as free trade agreement rates.

Import quotas and trade sanctions: The country of origin regulates import quotas and trade sanctions.

Marking: The country of origin is important for marking purposes, as import regulations require the end user to be informed of the country of origin.

The country of origin is the country where a product was manufactured, produced, or grew. It's not the same as where the product was shipped from.

The U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) is vigilant about verifying accurate country of origin. They can issue legally-binding advance rulings to petitioners regarding country of origin determinations.

If a package or display contains product from multiple countries, then all countries must be on the label.

"a package or display contains product from multiple countries, then all countries must be on the label."

Not true or not enforced. Lol.

 

[Elexious Musick]

"a package or display contains product from multiple countries, then all countries must be on the label."

Not true or not enforced. Lol.

So in your opinion even if a barrel, compression tube or receiver is stamped with country of origin as required by apparently many laws and rules as outlined above, it's not legit or true? Sir, that makes absolutely no sense and is based on no facts other than your opinion. At this point I have to question your seriousness about the subject. Do you believe the earth is flat and we didn't land on the moon in 1969 also? C'mon McNasty, lol.

 

[Elexious Musick]

All, there are two different companies with rights to the Beeman name. Air Venturi owns the rights to the R guns made by Weihrauch, while another company (Marksman?) is using the Beeman name on Chinese imports.

I'm sure someone out there can give us more history/details, but that's the basics.

Yes, that's never been a question in my mind. Very easily established fact about who owns the rights to the Beeman name. He's arguing none of that matters and the higher end, R airguns, are also manufactured in China regardless of the stamping on the gun, which I know is wrong based on several factors.

 

[Kragman1]

Ah. Now I get it.

Well, I'm in the other camp. I own multiple HW & Beeman versions of the 95/R9. None were made in China, and I'd be awfully surprised if any component was, even the seals.

 

[Kragman1]

But it occurs to me that Diana briefly sold Model 34's with Chinese made barrels.
It would be educational to know if they were only marked "Made in Germany" or not.

I'm guessing that there was no mention of Chinese made components....

 

[hameditor]

All, there are two different companies with rights to the Beeman name. Air Venturi owns the rights to the R guns made by Weihrauch, while another company (Marksman?) is using the Beeman name on Chinese imports.

I'm sure someone out there can give us more history/details, but that's the basics.

Yes, this is complex, but here's my understanding...

German (Weihrauch)-manufactured, Beeman-branded air rifles are sold by Pyramyd. I believe that another company actually owns the rights to the name, however.

Chinese-manufactured Beeman-branded products are manufactured by Shanghai Airgun Company. They also own the "Industry Brand" and "Marksman" trade names.

Shanghai Airguns is a legitimate user of the Beeman brand. I can't remember if they are the actual owners and license it out to the other company for use on the German (Weihrauch-manufactured) guns, or if it's the other way round.

All this happened many years ago.

 

[Elexious Musick]

Yes, this is complex, but here's my understanding...

German (Weihrauch)-manufactured, Beeman-branded air rifles are sold by Pyramyd. I believe that another company actually owns the rights to the name, however.

Chinese-manufactured Beeman-branded products are manufactured by Shanghai Airgun Company. They also own the "Industry Brand" and "Marksman" trade names.

Shanghai Airguns is a legitimate user of the Beeman brand. I can't remember if they are the actual owners and license it out to the other company for use on the German (Weihrauch-manufactured) guns, or if it's the other way round.

All this happened many years ago.

Name rights and licensing isn't the issue here, but rather if the country of origin stamped on the barrel, compression tube or receiver is legit. I say for tariffs, import taxes, etc it has to be, otherwise it's considered counterfeit and subject to seizure by US Customs. I do appreciate your input on the topic.

 

[Kragman1]

Thank you for the details!

That's pretty much my understanding from what I've gleaned from the internet, but I only have "net facts" to go by, so I was a little hesitant to make many hard statements.

 

[Danman]

I remember I was pretty excited many years back as a teen seeing Beeman air rifle being offered at our local Cdn tire store.... Yeah they ended up being the Chinese ones and I never got one. They did look mighty fine though with solid wood stocks to boot!

 

[Elexious Musick]

I remember I was pretty excited many years back as a teen seeing Beeman air rifle being offered at our local Cdn tire store.... Yeah they ended up being the Chinese ones and I ended up never getting one. They did look mighty fine though with solid wood stocks to boot!

I like many Chinese made airguns, especially the Diana ones. Here's a few of mine.

 

[Danman]

I like many Chinese made airguns, especially the Diana ones. Here's a few of mine.

Ouuu nice skyhawk....lol...a gun I never knew existed!