Centercut
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So he actually BOUGHT that gun? It wasn’t prepped and prepared by the guys at Karma before they GAVE it to him to shoot in RMAC? I’d have a hard time believing that….
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Benchrest Slug shooters being left out?
- Thread starter Airgunsruinedmylife
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Danman
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Lol I struggled with that statement as well. Neither the Jsb Ko's or the Nsa slugs are great contenders for high expansion. The best expanding slugs by far I've tested are Patriot Javelins/FX Hybrids, followed by Zans. In the losing category for expansion i had Nsa, Jsb, and H&N. Started shooting pests this year with my 30fpe S510 and the slugs are zipping through the birds (low-mid 800fps) as I can hear em zinging through the air after the hit. To say slugs expand better and therefore are safer would be questionable most of the times. I shot a squirrel yesterday off our fence with a patriot slug inside 15Yards and what a mess, inards where out...the slug bounced out its back (60deg turn inside its body) bounced up into the tree and landed back down onto my car or the fence the squirrel was on. Tomorrow I'm gonna look for that slug but it dumped 90%+ of its energy into that squirrel....that is rarely the case! I believe if you want the benefits of slugs you really need to push em fast. A high expansion slug outta my Ghost will not make it past 3.78L water jug # 2.
I stand mostly in awe of where Airguns are at nowadays and I dont hate on any of it (except maybe the big bore,5k fill AEA stuff
) but i have no desire for >5 shots per fill or $2+ per ammo. I'm as serious shooting my 13fpe springer as I am shooting my 53fpe Ghost....I just have to be alot more careful with the latter!
Airgunsruinedmylife
HAM Specialist
- Original poster
- #83
Not saying he bought, but you can buy them already tuned shooting the AEA pellets that good.So he actually BOUGHT that gun? It wasn’t prepped and prepared by the guys at Karma before they GAVE it to him to shoot in RMAC? I’d have a hard time believing that….
I do have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale…. Cheap.
Billm
Grand HAMster
I honestly say this “tongue in cheek”: it must be true, A YouTuber said it.So he actually BOUGHT that gun? It wasn’t prepped and prepared by the guys at Karma before they GAVE it to him to shoot in RMAC? I’d have a hard time believing that….
I do have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale…. Cheap.
Danman, it doesn't matter, like I said, if you shot KO's if you did not shoot ONE particular one. The MK3 10.03gr. You actually shoot that one, and not just think about all the other versions you shot, against all the other brands that you shot those against, and you tell me if you have ever seen anything from an airgun expand so well, in animals, not water. I have not. And this is happening with a 21fpe gun.Lol I struggled with that statement as well. Neither the Jsb Ko's or the Nsa slugs are great contenders for high expansion. The best expanding slugs by far I've tested are Patriot Javelins/FX Hybrids, followed by Zans. In the losing category for expansion i had Nsa, Jsb, and H&N. Started shooting pests this year with my 30fpe S510 and the slugs are zipping through the birds (low-mid 800fps) as I can hear em zinging through the air after the hit. To say slugs expand better and therefore are safer would be questionable most of the times. I shot a squirrel yesterday off our fence with a patriot slug inside 15Yards and what a mess, inards where out...the slug bounced out its back (60deg turn inside its body) bounced up into the tree and landed back down onto my car or the fence the squirrel was on. Tomorrow I'm gonna look for that slug but it dumped 90%+ of its energy into that squirrel....that is rarely the case! I believe if you want the benefits of slugs you really need to push em fast. A high expansion slug outta my Ghost will not make it past 3.78L water jug # 2.
I stand mostly in awe of where Airguns are at nowadays and I dont hate on any of it (except maybe the big bore,5k fill AEA stuff
Linehauler73
HAM Marksman
Gun tuned by whoever , he still had to call the wind. Maybe he got a really good bench but still the shooter has to execute. I’ve seen the winds in Utah. If I lived there I’m not sure I would have ever gotten into airguns.
Billm
Grand HAMster
No argument from me about the shooting skills involved.
MountainSportAirguns
Good Level Advertiser
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Why? Because it scares the hell out of so many airgun manufacturers, that would mean they'll have to have "slug" barrels that work. The majority of airgun manufacturers are still building pellet guns. Think about it, certain manufacturers aren't going to sponsor an event they have little chance of doing well in....it's about the money and making the products they sell look good. In the big picture all these events help progress the sport and it's happening pretty quickly.
I live at 5600 and go down to matches @ 1100-1200.
Generally dope is only slightly loopier on the longest shots. Ie, trajectory curve is slightly "flatter" at higher elevations.
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Regarding perception versus reality...(More specifically, Yotube versus reality)
Started a 100yard accuracy challenge on the other forum. A very frequent comment is that they don't have 100 yards to be able to participate.
So, unless there is a large contingent of airgunners shooting 60-80+ fpe slugs in their 30, 40, 50 yard backyards, the reality is that there are far fewer airgunners cranking up the fpe and reaching out there than YouTube suggests.
In other words, a large percentage of airgunners still enjoy airguns as airguns, not as air powered rimfires.
Started a 100yard accuracy challenge on the other forum. A very frequent comment is that they don't have 100 yards to be able to participate.
So, unless there is a large contingent of airgunners shooting 60-80+ fpe slugs in their 30, 40, 50 yard backyards, the reality is that there are far fewer airgunners cranking up the fpe and reaching out there than YouTube suggests.
In other words, a large percentage of airgunners still enjoy airguns as airguns, not as air powered rimfires.
Tend to agree i think people that shoot 100 or more tend to compete and the reality is that joe average is like you said happy at 50-75 yards or less hence all the guys that shoot all those challenges on the other forum. I myself find those last 25 yds much more difficult than the dime sized groups i can keep at 75 with pellets
I concur with that assessment of the airgun market.
Airgunsruinedmylife
HAM Specialist
- Original poster
- #94
Same could be said with high powered pellet guns. Not a valid reason to leave out slugs in competition.
wolfmangreg
HAM Ranger
The organizations that host those competitions determine what rules/classes are "valid", for their own purposes.
Luis Leon
Master HAMster
A soluition could be for all the slug manufacturers touting the benefits of their slugs for competition. To put on a “Slugs only” event. Make it enticing enough to attract those already competing and viola! The slug shooters get to be in the spotlight and the scores would tell the rest…
Yes, as a couple of us have previously stated, RMAC and EBR haven't had slug benchrest because Utah Airguns and Airguns of Arizona haven't decided to include that class. Maybe that changes in the future, maybe it doesn't.
Trying to say they should do a slug benchrest class because the whole industry has converted to slugs and that's what everyone is shooting these days is simply false.
An accurate change to your OP would be something like this:
"I want the retailers that put on the highest profile airgun matches to cater to what me and my buddies like to shoot."
I personally feel like there is a market for airgun slug matches. Trying to squeeze that into EBR and RMAC I'm not so sure about.
And again, the sluggalos do not represent the majority of the airgun market. They are certainly a loud contingent though, mostly driven by online influencers.
And again, the sluggalos do not represent the majority of the airgun market. They are certainly a loud contingent though, mostly driven by online influencers.
If you really want to shoot slugs why not go big bore and really stretch them out. Big bore really seems to be growing
Airgunsruinedmylife
HAM Specialist
- Original poster
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I think you are off on that. Pretty much everyone I personally know who has a high powered airgun shoots slugs now. Maybe the majority who shoots low powered airguns don’t use slugs, but I’m willing to bet the majority of shooters using high powered airguns are now shooting slugs.
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