Break Barrel New to air rifles - HW30 seal replacement advice???

[Fmiller4]

Hi All!

I've been loaned an HW-30 - first experience using an air rifle.

Recently my accuracy got weird - the holes on the target are all lining up on the left/right horizontal axis, but the vertical accuracy is all over the place. (hope that made sense)

I'm guessing this seal needs replacing. Is there anything special or obscure about doing this? It looks like 'remove the old with a dental pick, replace with new' but...

Also - is there an especially good place to get the replacement?

Thanks!

f

 

[Hoppalong Doc]

Hi All!

I've been loaned an HW-30 - first experience using an air rifle.

Recently my accuracy got weird - the holes on the target are all lining up on the left/right horizontal axis, but the vertical accuracy is all over the place. (hope that made sense)

I'm guessing this seal needs replacing. Is there anything special or obscure about doing this? It looks like 'remove the old with a dental pick, replace with new' but...

Also - is there an especially good place to get the replacement?

Thanks!

I wish that I could be of better help to you, but the best I can do is recommend a couple of reliable YouTube 'ers: the first is Pellets and Pistons, followed by TbT airrifletuning. Both of these guys give reliable information. Another reliable resource is Tom Gaylord's blog on the Pyramyd AIR. web page. Hope to have helped, and welcome to our HAM Community. Orv.

 

[Hoppalong Doc]

Hi All!

I've been loaned an HW-30 - first experience using an air rifle.

Recently my accuracy got weird - the holes on the target are all lining up on the left/right horizontal axis, but the vertical accuracy is all over the place. (hope that made sense)

I'm guessing this seal needs replacing. Is there anything special or obscure about doing this? It looks like 'remove the old with a dental pick, replace with new' but...

Also - is there an especially good place to get the replacement?

Thanks!


I should have said above: tinbum tuning and Vortek are the most reliable resources that I'm aware of. Orv.

 

[Jaabaa]

I'm having another procedure so I'm not home.
Call Airguns of Arizona.

 

[Roamin Greco 1]

Hi All!

I've been loaned an HW-30 - first experience using an air rifle.

Recently my accuracy got weird - the holes on the target are all lining up on the left/right horizontal axis, but the vertical accuracy is all over the place. (hope that made sense)

I'm guessing this seal needs replacing. Is there anything special or obscure about doing this? It looks like 'remove the old with a dental pick, replace with new' but...

Also - is there an especially good place to get the replacement?

Thanks!

f

I had a vintage Beeman R7 (same as HW30) with the same issue. I picked the crumbled old seal out with a brass pick cleaned and decreased the groove and replaced it with a seal I purchased from Pyramyd Air. I was buying a bunch of pellets anyway, so the shipping was free. I put a drop of silicone chamber oil on it and slid it into the groove. Perfect fit the first time.

 

[jps2486]

Could be the spring failed too. If you open up the rifle to replace the seal, by all means, replace the spring too. I used a Vortek Delrin spring kit.

 

[Scriv]

Easy things first. A seal can be had from airguns of Arizona. A pick will work as long as you can get the seal out being respectful of the steel. Lots of other good advice in this thread. When you see what a good seal looks like you will laugh at that one.

 

[jps2486]

Easy things first. A seal can be had from airguns of Arizona. A pick will work as long as you can get the seal out being respectful of the steel. Lots of other good advice in this thread. When you see what a good seal looks like you will laugh at that one.

It is common knowledge that HW springs are not the best quality and will fail somehow in a relatively short time. Just about all tuners replace springs right away. Since the OP has the gun apart, why not?

 

[Scriv]

It is common knowledge that HW springs are not the best quality and will fail somehow in a relatively short time. Just about all tuners replace springs right away. Since the OP has the gun apart, why not?

True, but i did not equate cocking the rifle to replace the breech seal as having the gun apart. This is what is depicted in the photo. If I were replacing a piston seal, I would certainly opt for a spring replacement while I was at it. All of this assumes that I haven't missed something in the OP.

 

[JimT66]

I'm having another procedure so I'm not home.
Call Airguns of Arizona.

Hope you doin ok. Having one tomorrow myself.

 

[Jaabaa]

Hope you doin ok. Having one tomorrow myself.

Yeah Jim, I've had a few over the last month. Have not been able to do much of anything.
70% grounded. Or more. And they don't expect things to be near normal till June.
I'm wearing down.
At least I can still check in here most days

 

[Fmiller4]

Thanks for all of the help!
Replacing the springs seems a little daunting, but the breech seal looks easy. I'll stick with that and see what happens.

 

[Hoppalong Doc]

You should still use a spring compressor, unless you are very experienced with getting into your rifle. Your spring is under significant pressure and is held in with just one bolt. Orv.

 

[Scriv]

Thanks for all of the help!
Replacing the springs seems a little daunting, but the breech seal looks easy. I'll stick with that and see what happens.

Let us know how you make out. Always interested in the outcome.

 

[JimT66]

Yeah Jim, I've had a few over the last month. Have not been able to do much of anything.
70% grounded. Or more. And they don't expect things to be near normal till June.
I'm wearing down.
At least I can still check in here most days

Lord Jaabaa, that dont sound very healthy! Well, let em take good care of you, and follow the docs orders to a T, so you get well quicker anyway. My wife just said I'm much better at giving that advice than I am at taking it..Lol . I've kvetched all day wanting out to shoot, after yesterdays fun filled cut session, so I don't guess I'm taking the same advice much at all. Keep telling her I am resigned to my fate as the doc tells it, so I intend on having what fun I can while I can.

 

[jlowe]

Vortek tuning has a breech seal for the HW30

Beeman-Weihrauch Breech Seal

Vortek's Beeman-Weihrauch (HW) OEM fitting Breech Seal Color may be different due to material availability at time of machining.We start with a High-quality non-burning material that's flexible and durable to retain long life in its sealing integrity.The seal construction combines two necessary...

vortekproducts.com

 

[Jaabaa]

Lord Jaabaa, that dont sound very healthy! Well, let em take good care of you, and follow the docs orders to a T, so you get well quicker anyway. My wife just said I'm much better at giving that advice than I am at taking it..Lol . I've kvetched all day wanting out to shoot, after yesterdays fun filled cut session, so I don't guess I'm taking the same advice much at all. Keep telling her I am resigned to my fate as the doc tells it, so I intend on having what fun I can while I can.

Thanks much, I really miss the hobby that consumed me the last ... 7;years.
Still have Airgun stuff to use and test and just have not been able to do it.

 

[Danman]

Hi All!

I've been loaned an HW-30 - first experience using an air rifle.

Recently my accuracy got weird - the holes on the target are all lining up on the left/right horizontal axis, but the vertical accuracy is all over the place. (hope that made sense)

I'm guessing this seal needs replacing. Is there anything special or obscure about doing this? It looks like 'remove the old with a dental pick, replace with new' but...

Also - is there an especially good place to get the replacement?

Thanks!

f

Hokey smokes that is the worst breech seal I have ever seen!
I replaced the one in my Slav 630 last year "just because" and it was 15+ years old and looked great compared to that one.
Using a metal pic to get that crusty seal out is fine just be gentle, don't scratch anything.
While we're on the topic, does anyone know what HW breech seals are made of?
My new HW 50, that i bought a few months ago also has a white breech seal.