- Original poster
- #21
Had a chance to do a bit of shooting this evening. Still pretty windy.
I want to start out with a little bit of a rant about the typical groups people share, versus what I do when I'm reporting on a gun/barrel/etc. A vast majority of the groups we see shared on the forums are the outliers, the special groups, the 1/20 or 1/50 or 1/100 groups. People don't come to brag about their average or typical or usual groups. They come to share their incredible groups. In short, the groups that don't reflect reality. Again, that ain't me. You see what I shoot, good and bad. I typically will go for 10 shot groups, and usually more than one of them. I also often show sighters and scope zeroing shots, with the groups. I also don't hold off for wind unless I've specified that I do in a particular instance. I feel that holding for wind muddies the waters about the accuracy versus my ability/inability to read the wind. Just wanted to get that off my chest before we get the "looks like it's shooting like crap" comments.
I was still at a reg pressure of 175 bar for this evening's shooting. I've since dropped the reg pressure down. And still using the blue spring. And still using the 1:22 SubMOA barrel.
On the premise of the Blackwolf being a fire-breathing dragon, plus getting a new chrono and wanting to fiddle with it using junk pellets....I started with some Seneca .22/28.5grain "Hunting Pellets." These are Korean made, and if you've been around long enough, know them as Eun Jins. They're an oddball looking pellet, three rings around the head of the pellet, and a textured skirt, almost like an RWS pellet's skirt. The only reason I even have these monstrosities is that I used them as a fire-lapping tool at one point in the past. The grooves created by the three rings around the head of the pellet can be loaded up with lapping compound, and shot that way. Overall a very low quality, low consistency, smack-the-hell-outa-something close, but don't count on long range accuracy sort of pellet. Slight tangent there.
Anyway....heavy .22 pellet, check.
MIN on power wheel = 780fps
"5" on power wheel = 898fps
Max on power wheel = 1040fps (yes, just under 70fpe)
Only took the Seneca pellets out to 50 yards.
Everything down the left side was getting fps readings with various hammer tensions. That left side also includes the zeroing.
The right side has some groups. The standout was the 10 shot group in the middle right bull. The two below that were the first two with that aim point. I was still low so I dialed in a few more clicks. I thought the rightward poi of those two was wind effects (left to right wind) so I didn't dial anything to the left, although I should have. That ten shots is into 7/8" The bottom right ten shots is into 1.25"
Not great accuracy, but most of that is the pellet. These usually don't even shoot this well. They sure didn't like to go faster than 850-860ish, at least from this particular barrel.
From there I went to yet another not-first choice for a Blackwolf projectile: the NSA 0.22/20.2grain, specifically in the 0.2175 size. More on the size in a second.
Same 175 bar reg pressure as above, same blue hammer spring. same 1:22 SubMOA barrel.
MIN = 960-970fps
"10" = 1107 fps (and yes, sonic crack, I didn't even dare go up to MAX...I'd expect 1200 or maybe even 1250fps)
"5" = 1058
"2" - 1010
Explanation for this target immediately below....Everything at MIN on this page, so 960-970fps Bottom left was sighters for 50 yards-mostly a matter of getting the vertical figured out. Middle left was 10 shots at 50 yards. That measured 1.0625", CTC, fairly decent. So I went out to 100 yards. The top right was the bull used for 100 yard sighters. The seemingly key hole shots up in my handwriting are where the paper curves in my 5 gallon bucket pellet trap.
9/10 in that upper left group are into 1.75" wide and 1.5" tall.
The bottom right group is 2.25" wide and tall.
After that I decided I needed to see if there was any improvement with more speed, the gun is certainly capable of it.
So the next page is 1100fps sighters on the left side. That went poorly at 100 yards so I dialed it back to 1050fpe and shot the upper right group. It's 2 inches tall and not quite 3 inches wide. Which tracks with the right to left wind I was getting. Dialed it back to the 960-970 MIN and shot the bottom right. Similar here, it's got 9/10 into 2 inches wide, and only 1.25 inches tall...wind. (keyhole here is again, the paper curving into the sides of my pellet trap).
Based on the wide spreads I was seeing on the chronograph, I believe this 20.2grain NSA pellet in a 0.218 size would be a much better projectile for this particular barrel. The four different pellets I've tried so far (even the wildly inconsistent in appearance Eun Jins) have had very consistent spreads. THAT, and what the Sub-MOA rep is telling me about their specs for this barrel has me concluding that the 0.2175 slugs were just slightly undersized.
Yeah, both of the projectiles tonight weren't the most obvious choice for the Blackwolf. But I had fun. And there's some potential for those 20.2grain slugs, albeit in a slightly bigger size. I will say that shooting those 20.2s is pretty enjoyable. Very docile. The Blackwolf doesn't even have to try to get them to 960-970. Felt like shooting a single stroke pneumatic, and I'm not kidding.
So, reg pressure is dropped. That 175 bar factory? setting is just too much for what I've tried to shoot so far. Might need a reg pressure that high when I get into shooting the 30-40grain slugs, but certainly don't for everything that I'm shooting so far. On that note, I'm considering tuning WAAAAYYYY down to 800fps with the .22/13.34grain JSB "RS" pellet, and seeing how I can do with it an upcoming field target match. The .22 is always a handicap, but prepping to shoot an ft match, and then doing so, will get me very familiar with the Blackwolf. Of course, if the .177 probe comes from AOA in time, I will gladly shoot it as a .177 (instead of a .22) at that Duncan AZ field target match.
I want to start out with a little bit of a rant about the typical groups people share, versus what I do when I'm reporting on a gun/barrel/etc. A vast majority of the groups we see shared on the forums are the outliers, the special groups, the 1/20 or 1/50 or 1/100 groups. People don't come to brag about their average or typical or usual groups. They come to share their incredible groups. In short, the groups that don't reflect reality. Again, that ain't me. You see what I shoot, good and bad. I typically will go for 10 shot groups, and usually more than one of them. I also often show sighters and scope zeroing shots, with the groups. I also don't hold off for wind unless I've specified that I do in a particular instance. I feel that holding for wind muddies the waters about the accuracy versus my ability/inability to read the wind. Just wanted to get that off my chest before we get the "looks like it's shooting like crap" comments.
I was still at a reg pressure of 175 bar for this evening's shooting. I've since dropped the reg pressure down. And still using the blue spring. And still using the 1:22 SubMOA barrel.
On the premise of the Blackwolf being a fire-breathing dragon, plus getting a new chrono and wanting to fiddle with it using junk pellets....I started with some Seneca .22/28.5grain "Hunting Pellets." These are Korean made, and if you've been around long enough, know them as Eun Jins. They're an oddball looking pellet, three rings around the head of the pellet, and a textured skirt, almost like an RWS pellet's skirt. The only reason I even have these monstrosities is that I used them as a fire-lapping tool at one point in the past. The grooves created by the three rings around the head of the pellet can be loaded up with lapping compound, and shot that way. Overall a very low quality, low consistency, smack-the-hell-outa-something close, but don't count on long range accuracy sort of pellet. Slight tangent there.
Anyway....heavy .22 pellet, check.
MIN on power wheel = 780fps
"5" on power wheel = 898fps
Max on power wheel = 1040fps (yes, just under 70fpe)
Only took the Seneca pellets out to 50 yards.
Everything down the left side was getting fps readings with various hammer tensions. That left side also includes the zeroing.
The right side has some groups. The standout was the 10 shot group in the middle right bull. The two below that were the first two with that aim point. I was still low so I dialed in a few more clicks. I thought the rightward poi of those two was wind effects (left to right wind) so I didn't dial anything to the left, although I should have. That ten shots is into 7/8" The bottom right ten shots is into 1.25"
Not great accuracy, but most of that is the pellet. These usually don't even shoot this well. They sure didn't like to go faster than 850-860ish, at least from this particular barrel.
From there I went to yet another not-first choice for a Blackwolf projectile: the NSA 0.22/20.2grain, specifically in the 0.2175 size. More on the size in a second.
Same 175 bar reg pressure as above, same blue hammer spring. same 1:22 SubMOA barrel.
MIN = 960-970fps
"10" = 1107 fps (and yes, sonic crack, I didn't even dare go up to MAX...I'd expect 1200 or maybe even 1250fps)
"5" = 1058
"2" - 1010
Explanation for this target immediately below....Everything at MIN on this page, so 960-970fps Bottom left was sighters for 50 yards-mostly a matter of getting the vertical figured out. Middle left was 10 shots at 50 yards. That measured 1.0625", CTC, fairly decent. So I went out to 100 yards. The top right was the bull used for 100 yard sighters. The seemingly key hole shots up in my handwriting are where the paper curves in my 5 gallon bucket pellet trap.
9/10 in that upper left group are into 1.75" wide and 1.5" tall.
The bottom right group is 2.25" wide and tall.
After that I decided I needed to see if there was any improvement with more speed, the gun is certainly capable of it.
So the next page is 1100fps sighters on the left side. That went poorly at 100 yards so I dialed it back to 1050fpe and shot the upper right group. It's 2 inches tall and not quite 3 inches wide. Which tracks with the right to left wind I was getting. Dialed it back to the 960-970 MIN and shot the bottom right. Similar here, it's got 9/10 into 2 inches wide, and only 1.25 inches tall...wind. (keyhole here is again, the paper curving into the sides of my pellet trap).
Based on the wide spreads I was seeing on the chronograph, I believe this 20.2grain NSA pellet in a 0.218 size would be a much better projectile for this particular barrel. The four different pellets I've tried so far (even the wildly inconsistent in appearance Eun Jins) have had very consistent spreads. THAT, and what the Sub-MOA rep is telling me about their specs for this barrel has me concluding that the 0.2175 slugs were just slightly undersized.
Yeah, both of the projectiles tonight weren't the most obvious choice for the Blackwolf. But I had fun. And there's some potential for those 20.2grain slugs, albeit in a slightly bigger size. I will say that shooting those 20.2s is pretty enjoyable. Very docile. The Blackwolf doesn't even have to try to get them to 960-970. Felt like shooting a single stroke pneumatic, and I'm not kidding.
So, reg pressure is dropped. That 175 bar factory? setting is just too much for what I've tried to shoot so far. Might need a reg pressure that high when I get into shooting the 30-40grain slugs, but certainly don't for everything that I'm shooting so far. On that note, I'm considering tuning WAAAAYYYY down to 800fps with the .22/13.34grain JSB "RS" pellet, and seeing how I can do with it an upcoming field target match. The .22 is always a handicap, but prepping to shoot an ft match, and then doing so, will get me very familiar with the Blackwolf. Of course, if the .177 probe comes from AOA in time, I will gladly shoot it as a .177 (instead of a .22) at that Duncan AZ field target match.



















