Others Best value match grade .177 wadcutters?

[Kragman1]

I use the term "match" loosely because I'm not a competitor, but I do have some excellent .177 rifles in the 6 to 12 fpe range that I'd like to feed some premium ammo to.

I really don't need individually segregated ammo in trays (though I'm not opposed to it either.... ), but controlled head sizes would be nice. Really looking to buy a few tins with a high likelihood of being standouts for the money.

R10?
Finale Match?
Any of the Eley or Norma stuff?
etc, etc....


Any recommendations appreciated!

 

[hameditor]

You could check out the HAM pellet test reviews. We have some 177 wadcutters listed that could be worth considering.

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[Hateful McNasty]

Today for me wad or flathead are mail order only . Us to have them on the je shelves like any crosman of daisy but not no more for a long time ..

Now not saying there the greatest but my pistols liked the cheap daisy black box (250 count) .

I think you can still get norma at AoA or academy. Heck I think p.a had a normal sale thing going .. they shoot fine out of my rifle too.

Sig Sauer ain't bad

Sadly all have vanished local stores shelves. Mail order ain't worth the cost overall

 

[jps2486]

I've always had good results with RWS Meisterkugeln wadcutters.

 

[Hateful McNasty]

I just start with easy to get cheap/ affordable locally if anything is handy . If something shows promise I can " tune" the gun to maybe get it dead mutts on better .

 

[jps2486]

Today for me wad or flathead are mail order only . Us to have them on the je shelves like any crosman of daisy but not no more for a long time ..

Now not saying there the greatest but my pistols liked the cheap daisy black box (250 count) .

I think you can still get norma at AoA or academy. Heck I think p.a had a normal sale thing going .. they shoot fine out of my rifle too.

Sig Sauer ain't bad

Sadly all have vanished local stores shelves. Mail order ain't worth the cost overall

Try ordering pellets from Trenier Airguns. His prices are very competitive and he doesn't rape you on shipping.

 

[Gramps-Too]

Check out Vogel pellets at Vogel USA | Home of US Made Airgun Pellets or they use to be available on Amazon too. I’ve also bought their bulk pellets & been very satisfied with them. The .177 I have that doesn’t like them is my Avenge-X it shoots them way to fast to be stable.

 

[Danman]

I ran the RWS 9.0gr super mags (very nice looking/clean pellets) in my 13fpe TX ....40Y away they were coming in sideways!! I never cronied them but going off my 8.44s @ 840fps, I'd imagine around 800/820. I stick with domes only in .177 now myself. I guess wadcutters are suited for inside 30Y usually? As much as I love 500 count tins when testing ammo the 200-250 tins are the way to go! After 10 rounds you will definitely know if they are great, OK, or crud outta a gun. Happy hunting!

 

[Kragman1]

Thanks all.

Believe it or not, I used to get very good results with Geco wadcutters. I wish I had laid in a supply when they were $3/500!
But I really do want to try some top shelf pellets in a few rifles, so I don't really mind paying for a small assortment. Just looking to target stuff with "strong reviews".

 

[Hateful McNasty]

Well then .. i think a lot of shooters go with this brand .

QYS Airgun Pellets Are Back! - Hard Air Magazine

Predator International, the specialist US airgun ammo distributor, has revealed that QYS airgun pellets are back in stock in their warehouse.

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Qiang Yuan 8.18 Grain .177 Caliber Pellet Test Review

Qiang Yuan 8.18 Grain .177 caliber pellets are labeled as "Olympic Grade". This is because they have been used by Olympic-level competitors with success.

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[Sr.airgunner]

If you want consistent results with .177 wadcutters at a reasonable price then you need to invest in a quality scale so you can sort them into equal weight groups. It will also benefit if you have a pellet sizer to sort them into equal skirt and pellet head sizes. This takes up a lot of free time away from shooting time but the other option is the high quality and high priced competition pellets. It just depends on your preference of consistent accuracy versus price.

 

[BenjeneerJohn]

The RWS R10s in the tin are fantastic. We did a bit of testing while developing the Challenger and found them to be the most consistent, giving the best accuracy results across a number of test rifles.

they would be my first suggestion.

John

 

[rsfrid]

Well then .. i think a lot of shooters go with this brand .

QYS Airgun Pellets Are Back! - Hard Air Magazine

Predator International, the specialist US airgun ammo distributor, has revealed that QYS airgun pellets are back in stock in their warehouse.

hardairmagazine.com

Qiang Yuan 8.18 Grain .177 Caliber Pellet Test Review

Qiang Yuan 8.18 Grain .177 caliber pellets are labeled as "Olympic Grade". This is because they have been used by Olympic-level competitors with success.

hardairmagazine.com

I have had good results with the QYS green box pellets in my HW44 177 cal.

 

[Roamin Greco 1]

I use the term "match" loosely because I'm not a competitor, but I do have some excellent .177 rifles in the 6 to 12 fpe range that I'd like to feed some premium ammo to.

I really don't need individually segregated ammo in trays (though I'm not opposed to it either.... ), but controlled head sizes would be nice. Really looking to buy a few tins with a high likelihood of being standouts for the money.

R10?
Finale Match?
Any of the Eley or Norma stuff?
etc, etc....


Any recommendations appreciated!

Kragman1, when I had what I call my airgun Rennaisance (returning to airguns after a 35 year hiatus), I did a test of a bunch of pellets through a Umarex Embark. The best "cheap" pellets were the H&N ECON II pellets I have one CO² pistol, a resealed Crosman Mark II that will shoot H&N PLINKING pellets into a dime-sized group at 10 yards. But the ECON IIs are my "go to" cheap pellet. Next would be the SigAIR Pb wadcutters. RWS Meisterkugeln are probably the next most accurate for the money. Now if you can get H&N Finale on sale with different head sizes, that would be great. I don't have any experience with them. That's for wadcutters. For domes, I like the H&N Field Target Trophy pellets in slightly larger sizes. Unfortunately, you have to get some and try them. Most airguns will have a favorite. When you find it, lay in a supply. Sometimes Midway will have sales on pellets.

I recall seeing a combo pack of pellets of different makes from an outfit called Straight Shooters. That makes a lot of sense, but what I do is wait until I can put together a big order from Pyramyd or they reduce their free shipping threshhold, then do their 4 for 3 discount.

 

[Kragman1]

Thanks everyone!

I shot the new FWB Jr at 9 yards tonight.
It is accurate, I am not. The trigger is so light and crisp that its actually an impediment to good shooting. At least until I get used to it ' it seems like it could be 2oz take-up + 3oz 2nd stage. Breaks like a thin glass rod. Just bananas.

But I did shoot my last few Meisterkugeln into a very snug little group.
I had to ultra carefully find the 2nd stage off target, move onto target without tripping the trigger, then hold as best I could as I mentally suggested the rifle to fire, then watched the hole in the target wiggle slightly through my scope.

I will probably try some of the new JSB stuff, and some H&N Finale pellets. I have some 4.49 QYS domed pellets I can try as well as some FTT's. I think I have a tin of R10 stashed somewhere too.

Next should be some kind of rest. I simply can't hold well enough on my own to let that rifle shine.

 

[Farmplinker2]

Honestly, just go to a good online store and order a bunch of different pellets. Try as many brands as possible, find out which ones your guns like. Then stockpile those!

 

[Roamin Greco 1]

Kragman, are you shooting from a bench restaurant or offhand?

You probably may know better than me, but for the good of the order, I'll share how I test pellets. When I'm testing pellets, I want to take away as many variables as possible, so I shoot from a bench. I start with the rifle balanced on a sandbag so that it is lined up on target without me even touching it. I have one of those Monkey bags with the three comparments. Then I get into a very relaxed position where the gun is barely touching my shoulder pocket and my trigger hand is only lightly touching the grip. Most of the time, my thumb is up in the air. Sometimes with springers you have to figure out the best hold, but I always start with this balanced hold. Finally, I close my eyes, take a few breaths, and relax. If I open my eyes, and I'm not on target, I adjust my chair, right elbow position on the shooting table, etc. until I am right on when I open my eyes. Then I take a breath, take up the first stage, let my breath out half way, and shoot. Then I try to do it all over again exactly the same way. I'm no expert, it's just what I do. I shoot a few groups of ten shots each for each pellet and average the results. In the example I gave above, I went the extra mile and made a graph that showed the accuracy on the y axis and the cost per pellet on the y axis. You can really see which pellets give you the most accuracy for the value. The pellets that graph closest to the bottom left corner are the most accurate for the money.

Then you can lay in a supply of the best pellet so they all come from the same lot.

 

[Roamin Greco 1]

Of course, if you send that rifle to me, I will do all that for you for free with all the pellets in my considerable collection and make the graph for you. All I ask is the chance to shoot your rifle, which I have never experienced.

 

[Hateful McNasty]

Kragman, are you shooting from a bench restaurant or offhand?

You probably may know better than me, but for the good of the order, I'll share how I test pellets. When I'm testing pellets, I want to take away as many variables as possible, so I shoot from a bench. I start with the rifle balanced on a sandbag so that it is lined up on target without me even touching it. I have one of those Monkey bags with the three comparments. Then I get into a very relaxed position where the gun is barely touching my shoulder pocket and my trigger hand is only lightly touching the grip. Most of the time, my thumb is up in the air. Sometimes with springers you have to figure out the best hold, but I always start with this balanced hold. Finally, I close my eyes, take a few breaths, and relax. If I open my eyes, and I'm not on target, I adjust my chair, right elbow position on the shooting table, etc. until I am right on when I open my eyes. Then I take a breath, take up the first stage, let my breath out half way, and shoot. Then I try to do it all over again exactly the same way. I'm no expert, it's just what I do. I shoot a few groups of ten shots each for each pellet and average the results. In the example I gave above, I went the extra mile and made a graph that showed the accuracy on the y axis and the cost per pellet on the y axis. You can really see which pellets give you the most accuracy for the value. The pellets that graph closest to the bottom left corner are the most accurate for the money.

Then you can lay in a supply of the best pellet so they all come from the same lot.

Just funny.. that put words in your mouth spell check ( gosh I hate it changing words ..lol)

Anyway. ..

Shooting from a bench restaurant?

I kinda like that idea. Target full a holes .. belly full a eats and drink and never need to get up out of the seat ...

 

[Kragman1]

Ha ha!

Thank you RG1. I have a similar method, and it works great from a bench rest, and pretty good offhand or from a weird field position.

I had at one time, maybe 15 years ago, practiced the artillery hold and had become a "fair to middlin'" springer shooter with it.

After a conversation with John Thomas a few years ago, I adapted what he does to this:
I lay the rifle across my off hand (I'm a righty, so my left hand) and I use my left.pointer finger as a cross rail under the stock, right under the forearm mounting screws. Vibration seems to radiate from that point, and this minimizes their effect. I find that if I do that and let my right hand hang lightly on the pistol grip, just to provide a little consistently placed control over the butt end, most rifles shoot very well. Some outstandingly well. And some still need some experimenting with hand placement and hold snugness.
It works away from the bench too.

It's not a cure all, but I find it to be an improvement over the artillery hold.
Of course, each rifle will respond to what IT likes...