A couple Questions

[Hylander]

I am new to pcp and have a couple questions about AF guns.
From the review videos I have seen so far, they don't seem that accurate. Lots of flyers.
They supposedly have LW barrels, so I'm guessing this lack of good accuracy is the lack of a regulator.
If so, why do they not have a regulator?
And can a reg be added?

 

[Chief 10-Beers]

It will be interesting to see the different answers.

 

[Hylander]

It will be interesting to see the different answers.

Yes,
And I'm asking because I want to like the Talon & Condor, but the accuracy seems lacking. And Volocity drops alot with each shot.

 

[SpindleB]

I have never had a flyer with either of my Talons or my Condor. But I replaced the 12" barrels on the Talons with .22 18" and .25 24" barrels. The .25 Condor I went 18" to 24".

I have no idea how many rounds I have fired through those rifles but it has to be well over 1,000. I shoot them a lot.

But my opinion is that almost all flyers are a pellet issue.

 

[Billm]

My TalonP shoots very accurately. I had an issue yesterday, but I’m pretty sure I accidentally over filled it and had some hammer lock.

 

[SpindleB]

I am new to pcp and have a couple questions about AF guns.
From the review videos I have seen so far, they don't seem that accurate. Lots of flyers.
They supposedly have LW barrels, so I'm guessing this lack of good accuracy is the lack of a regulator.
If so, why do they not have a regulator?
And can a reg be added?

Absolutely add a regulator to AirForce utility guns. I highly recommend the Huben Power Cricket Max-ATH or Dream Universal. Max has a 50cc plenum and the Dream has a 20cc plenum. Plenum and long barrel I shoot 850FPS, 33.95gr .25 pellets and 1500psi regulator.

I dont think the regulator necessarily adds to accuracy, it provides consistency shot to shot. Unregulated you are at the mercy of bottle pressure and when it drops in pressure your poi can change with the change in FPS.

The issue with adding a regulator to the Utility platform is LOP. Adds about 4-5 inches of LOP. I account for that by using an Acecare 1.1L fat bottle. Then you need an angled adapter from Talon or Trajectron to drop the bottle down as a cheek rest.

Huben also makes regulator with built in tophat which makes the added LOP about 2-3 inches. I don't use them but the regulator body is the same just the output fittings are different.

Accuracy for me is stellar. But I changed my barrels to 18" .22 and 24" .25. Longer barrels also provide more power as the pellet remains under pressure longer.

I don't know if the TalonP can use the longer barrel or is limited to the 12".

 

[Danman]

I am new to pcp and have a couple questions about AF guns.
From the review videos I have seen so far, they don't seem that accurate. Lots of flyers.
They supposedly have LW barrels, so I'm guessing this lack of good accuracy is the lack of a regulator.
If so, why do they not have a regulator?
And can a reg be added?

AirForce is a little behind the 8 ball in this modern pcp world, thats all. No regulator, no magazines, utilitarian triggers and stocks, lame auto safety that breaks, etc. A lack of Accuracy isnt really one of the known problems though. One big "issue" with the Condor guns is the MASSIVE power they make. That inherently makes them shoot inaccurately as people are often sending light pellets waaaay too fast. Outta the box, with power wheel on minimum and a full tank of air the standard 24" Condor (the one i want!) will send most light-medium weight pellets supersonic. The gun or barrel itself isn't the problem usually.
Another issue is it's a bit more difficult to get comfortable behind one, lack of a proper stock, high rings often req, frame can flex, etc
I own 3 high-end British airguns (2 being regulated pcps), have a German springer on the way and yet I BADLY want a .25 Condor shooting slugs to round out the herd someday.
For the money, they are the most powerful pcps you can buy, with tons of mods avaliable.
My biggest AF airgun complaint? They need an MOA SLANTED PIC RAIL!!! Again though....that doesn't make them inaccurate, it just runs you out of elevation, and isnt great for the scope. It is 2025 after all....

 

[Billm]

AirForce is a little behind the 8 ball in this modern pcp world, thats all. No regulator, no magazines, utilitarian triggers and stocks, lame auto safety that breaks, etc. A lack of Accuracy isnt really one of the known problems though. One big "issue" with the Condor guns is the MASSIVE power they make. That inherently makes them shoot inaccurately as people are often sending light pellets waaaay too fast. Outta the box, with power wheel on minimum and a full tank of air the standard 24" Condor (the one i want!) will send most light-medium weight pellets supersonic. The gun or barrel itself isn't the problem usually.
Another issue is it's a bit more difficult to get comfortable behind one, lack of a proper stock, high rings often req, frame can flex, etc
I own 3 high-end British airguns (2 being regulated pcps), have a German springer on the way and yet I BADLY want a .25 Condor shooting slugs to round out the herd someday.
For the money, they are the most powerful pcps you can buy, with tons of mods avaliable.
My biggest AF airgun complaint? They need an MOA SLANTED PIC RAIL!!! Again though....that doesn't make them inaccurate, it just runs you out of elevation, and isnt great for the scope. It is 2025 after all....

Not for long, six weeks to 2026 lol.

 

[iFish]

As far as a reg for AF rifles, watch this

Huben Power Regulator VS Stock Tank on Airforce Condor

 

[Pumacarl]

My TalonP in .25 shooting 34gr JSB is a nickle coverable 8 shot group size at 53y. Even after sitting for weeks, because, no regulator. If you think that you are going to want, or need, to shoot more shots, get a bigger 300bar bottle and a regulator for sure. Accuracy wise though, even tethered, I only mangaged slightly smaller groups because this little gun is really accurate to begin with. Because of its size, it is challenging to shoot accurately without using a rest, but the gun itself is deadnuts. I don't get fliers with the pellets I use at all, but I didn't shoot a slug that shot as well either.

 

[Danman]

Not for long, six weeks to 2026 lol.

That just makes my case stronger

 

[Hylander]

So what kind of consistent accuracy are you all getting?
I ask because accuracy seems subjective from person to person.
I am not an accuracy snob, but I think my Zelos has spoiled me with repeatable consistent groups under MOA.
So I don't think I would be happy unless the rifle can produce consistent groups under .75" at 50yds.

 

[Chief55]

The Airforce guns are accurate, but you have to spend the time to tune them and find the ammo that groups the best in them. If you do your job, you can get 3/8 groups at 30 yards and 1/2 at 50 yards without any special equipment. The big downside for most folks is the number of good shots and no regulator, but the flip side is the extra power they have. For the most part you still want to be below 990 FPS for accuracy, but it gives you the option to use heavier ammo and thus get more FPE. Though I have had some good groups at 1100 FPS with the .22 slug barrel. I like them because there are only 4 seals.

 

[Pumacarl]

So what kind of consistent accuracy are you all getting?
I ask because accuracy seems subjective from person to person.
I am not an accuracy snob, but I think my Zelos has spoiled me with repeatable consistent groups under MOA.
So I don't think I would be happy unless the rifle can produce consistent groups under .75" at 50yds.

Like I said already, my gun is as accurate as that with 34gr JSB pellets, but what I didn't mention is that they hold it together and I can consistently shoot 3" reaction targets out to 125y. I do need my tripod to do it consistently but that's on me, not the gun.

 

[Franklink]

Big fan of unregulated here. They're just as accurate as regulated, when you figure out the fill and refill pressures, and live within them.

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[MountainSportAirguns]

To me they are just the most awkward feeling guns, like holding a broomstick. In this Golden Age of airguns AF is seriously lacking but it's hard to knock simplicity. A friend of mine recently sent back his .257 Texan for a refund, the quality of it was to say the least very disappointing. The crown looked like it was done with a hacksaw and every nut/bolt was finger tight. He has an older TalonP that shoots fantastic though.

 

[Hylander]

Big fan of unregulated here. They're just as accurate as regulated, when you figure out the fill and refill pressures, and live within them.

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I think that right there is what bugs me.
I don't want to have to live within a sweet spot.
I want to fill and go, knowing my first shot with a full tank is going to hit poa same as my 30th shot.

 

[Franklink]

I think that right there is what bugs me.
I don't want to have to live within a sweet spot.
I want to fill and go, knowing my first shot with a full tank is going to hit poa same as my 30th shot.

The first shot WILL hit right where you want it to, as long as you've got the pressure in the right place.

Regulated guns have the same issue. Drop below the reg pressure in the tank/tube, and your impact point is toast.

 

[SpindleB]

The first shot WILL hit right where you want it to, as long as you've got the pressure in the right place.

Regulated guns have the same issue. Drop below the reg pressure in the tank/tube, and your impact point is toast.

Yes, but from max to regulator pressure there is no curve, it is a flat line. So every pellet has the same amount of energy applied.

 

[Franklink]

Yes, but from max to regulator pressure there is no curve, it is a flat line. So every pellet has the same amount of energy applied.

I shoot competively, field target mostly. My most winning gun is unregulated.

Cut the ends of the curve off (by figuring out fill and refill pressures) and you're at no disadvantage with an unregulated gun versus regulated.