Others Dressing Up My TalonP

[Billm]

Too windy to enjoy shooting today. I worked on dressing up my TalonP. The 20 pellet holder and cover on the side if the receiver interferes with my sliding stock design. I might try and design a slip over adjustable stock that integrates a cheek piece with it. There’s quite a few places on this gun that could accommodate low quantity pellet storage.

 

[Pumacarl]

@Billm, yeah, trying to reload this gun smoothly is something I haven't figured out yet. I don't really like the idea of having the pellets so exposed so I am looking for a little pop open pouch or one of the Edgun types that you turn and a pellet drops out.

Your suppressor, to put it bluntly, looks less than elegant, so how does it work? I just magnified the picture, and saw it for the first time, minimized it doesn't show up. I get keeping the gun thin, and that if a suppressor works well nobody will see it anyway, but just wondering about the performance? What's the story behind it? Thanks!

 

[Billm]

@Billm, yeah, trying to reload this gun smoothly is something I haven't figured out yet. I don't really like the idea of having the pellets so exposed so I am looking for a little pop open pouch or one of the Edgun types that you turn and a pellet drops out.

Your suppressor, to put it bluntly, looks less than elegant, so how does it work? I just magnified the picture, and saw it for the first time, minimized it doesn't show up. I get keeping the gun thin, and that if a suppressor works well nobody will see it anyway, but just wondering about the performance? What's the story behind it? Thanks!

The pellets have a cover, shown below the trigger guard. There’s just not much real estate for storage on the gun. I made a 1/2-20 adapter and used a full size moderator at first. But then I thought I’d try a drop down, direct fit moderator that would keep the gun short and provide a flat area for pellet storage. But, I ended up removing the pellet storage. I looked at making a ‘PEZ” style pellet dispenser. I think the pistol grip would make a good storage area. I did a grip cap/ plug that holds an extra dust cap and the fill probe for the 250z. I also think that it should be easy to make a pellet dispenser similar to a rotary magazine.

 

[Pumacarl]

You have an interesting take on projects, and go in different directions, I appreciate you sharing your creativity. I wish more people would try different things. I had thought, a few years back, that 3d printing would have people trying some really wild stuff, but besides parallax wheels, not really that much sticks out. I live vicariously through others, or not. lol

 

[Billm]

You have an interesting take on projects, and go in different directions, I appreciate you sharing your creativity. I wish more people would try different things. I had thought, a few years back, that 3d printing would have people trying some really wild stuff, but besides parallax wheels, not really that much sticks out. I live vicariously through others, or not. lol

Me too, that’s part of the reason I spend so much time on here following everyone’s projects. I owned hobby shops for 20 years selling radio control gas/electric trucks, planes helis, drones, models, trains etc.. All the types of things that require hands-on tinkering. At one time I had a large airsoft department selling green gas blow back guns. I tried to add airguns, but there was no demand here. I designed and built my own 24x48 CNC router to cut out RC airplanes and placed it in the store for customers to watch and so that I could play at work. But, 3d printers did not impress me at the time. Everything that I saw that was 3d printed seemed crude and weak. They’ve progressed tremendously since then. I shut my business down in 2018 and was pretty much forced into early retirement. So I bought a more capable CNC machine that could also machine aluminum. I ended up designing and selling a lot of cases and accessories for video live streaming and production. It all required me to become more adept at Fusion 360 CAD/CAM design software. I bought a 3d printer last year and was immediately hooked and ended up with several. Then I was shooting my Diana 48 with two of my grandsons and the 9 year old couldn’t safely cock it. So I did a little research and ordered a Beeman regulated under lever and a cheap compressor. It didn’t have a 1/2x20 adapter and so I designed and printed one. I needed a way to mount a Picatinny bipod. So I printed a barrel band with pic rail for it. Then the Barra presented lots of 3d add-on potential. I’ve already printed some stuff for the Sonoran in matching sand color - just in case it ever shows up. I don’t do any of this to save money, I do it because I like the challenge. The TalonP has been a 3d printing challenge. The pressure at the end of that shroud seems to be way more aggressive than other guns lol. Probably way more info than you wanted lol. But, it kind of explains my eclectic design attempts lol. I also try not to impinge on other’s intellectual property. The airgun world is a target rich environment for a 3d printer. It helps that you can print something to try out and if it doesn’t work, you modify it and you’ve wasted a dollar or two. If there’s something you need/want 3d printed just message me - I like reading your posts lol.

 

[hameditor]

Great comments- thank you

 

[Pumacarl]

Me too, that’s part of the reason I spend so much time on here following everyone’s projects. I owned hobby shops for 20 years selling radio control gas/electric trucks, planes helis, drones, models, trains etc.. All the types of things that require hands-on tinkering. At one time I had a large airsoft department selling green gas blow back guns. I tried to add airguns, but there was no demand here. I designed and built my own 24x48 CNC router to cut out RC airplanes and placed it in the store for customers to watch and so that I could play at work. But, 3d printers did not impress me at the time. Everything that I saw that was 3d printed seemed crude and weak. They’ve progressed tremendously since then. I shut my business down in 2018 and was pretty much forced into early retirement. So I bought a more capable CNC machine that could also machine aluminum. I ended up designing and selling a lot of cases and accessories for video live streaming and production. It all required me to become more adept at Fusion 360 CAD/CAM design software. I bought a 3d printer last year and was immediately hooked and ended up with several. Then I was shooting my Diana 48 with two of my grandsons and the 9 year old couldn’t safely cock it. So I did a little research and ordered a Beeman regulated under lever and a cheap compressor. It didn’t have a 1/2x20 adapter and so I designed and printed one. I needed a way to mount a Picatinny bipod. So I printed a barrel band with pic rail for it. Then the Barra presented lots of 3d add-on potential. I’ve already printed some stuff for the Sonoran in matching sand color - just in case it ever shows up. I don’t do any of this to save money, I do it because I like the challenge. The TalonP has been a 3d printing challenge. The pressure at the end of that shroud seems to be way more aggressive than other guns lol. Probably way more info than you wanted lol. But, it kind of explains my eclectic design attempts lol. I also try not to impinge on other’s intellectual property. The airgun world is a target rich environment for a 3d printer. It helps that you can print something to try out and if it doesn’t work, you modify it and you’ve wasted a dollar or two. If there’s something you need/want 3d printed just message me - I like reading your posts lol.

Thanks! I enjoy reading yours too! This, right here, is what these web sites are about for me, fuel to add to the fire, and figuring out how to make it burn higher.

The TalonP certainly has a big exhaust doing 50fpe out of a 12" barrel. I am going to be working on mine again this weekend. Hopefully I can figure out a good way to put rails everywhere and change out the trigger pins. The gun could really benefit from a clean sheet of paper new design for the trigger. It has to be one of the crudest in the industry, and I'm just making an observation, I'm not even trying to be insulting. I know nothing about designing triggers, but I have worked on, and owned, many good ones, and I know that if I were to design a trigger, that I would not put forth such a design as this one. I keep looking at it, in disbelief, and thinking "really?" I know people will chirp in, "well then design one yourself," like it's my fault for noticing and not doing anything about it, but it's not my fault, and it would be my shame to make one like this. And let's not forget, that part of this crude design was a toggle that just about nobody wanted either, and was left out of their new "darling" Texan design. I kind of went off track, but I wonder if AirForce ever goes back and looks at this trigger and feels good about it. If yes, that's discouraging; if no, then why haven't they re-worked it? It shouldn't be end users thinking about this stuff, it should be the company.

 

[Danman]

I looked at making a ‘PEZ” style pellet dispenser. I think the pistol grip would make a good storage area. I did a grip cap/ plug that holds an extra dust cap and the fill probe for the 250z. I also think that it should be easy to make a pellet dispenser similar to a rotary magazine.
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Love that idea!! Thought about something like that for my Ghost (AK grip, also with flip out storage area) but I have 3 mags now so spare pellets aren't a problem, lol. A single shot pcp with a similar grip is prime pellet storage real-estate! Would only really need to carry 5 to 10 for the pesting/hunting situations.

 

[Billm]

My guess is: as long as they keep selling, they don’t care.

 

[Billm]

I looked at making a ‘PEZ” style pellet dispenser. I think the pistol grip would make a good storage area. I did a grip cap/ plug that holds an extra dust cap and the fill probe for the 250z. I also think that it should be easy to make a pellet dispenser similar to a rotary magazine.

Love that idea!! Thought about something like that for my Ghost (AK grip, also with flip out storage area) but I have 3 mags now so spare pellets aren't a problem, lol. A single shot pcp with a similar grip is prime pellet storage real-estate! Would only really need to carry 5 to 10 for the pesting/hunting situations.
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You can’t shoot more than 10-15 with the TalonP at hunting power anyway.

 

[Pumacarl]

My guess is: as long as they keep selling, they don’t care.

That's what bugs me. Having seen the owner talking on videos, I think he does care and has some pride in his company. I don't get where the hold up is, and who's making the bad decisions. Strange, all the way around.

 

[Billm]

That's what bugs me. Having seen the owner talking on videos, I think he does care and has some pride in his company. I don't get where the hold up is, and who's making the bad decisions. Strange, all the way around.

I didn’t mean to imply that he doesn’t care about his product.

 

[Pumacarl]

I didn’t mean to imply that he doesn’t care about his product.

I "kind of" did, at least, I smell the advice of a bean counter, keeping things from being set right. Whenever a company listens to those guys, they win a sales quarter and lose the company soon thereafter. Just my crabby opinion.

 

[FL22]

Just my crabby opinion.

A very valid crabby opinion .

 

[Farmplinker2]

I "kind of" did, at least, I smell the advice of a bean counter, keeping things from being set right. Whenever a company listens to those guys, they win a sales quarter and lose the company soon thereafter. Just my crabby opinion.

Maybe some of the changes aren't backwards-compatible with earlier models? Now mostly of us here have a spare airgun or 10, but if you don't....
"Oh, sorry, we're out of that part for that serial range. We're going to be running some next quarter" is NOT what you want to hear.

 

[Billm]

I designed a quick and dirty single pellet dispenser for the TalonP or really any airgun. Its dispenses 14 .25 pellets one at a time and stores another 11 pellets in the dispenser for a total of 25 shots. Rotary action with indexing, with no springs or magnets.

 

[Pumacarl]

I designed a quick and dirty single pellet dispenser for the TalonP or really any airgun. Its dispenses 14 .25 pellets one at a time and stores another 11 pellets in the dispenser for a total of 25 shots. Rotary action with indexing, with no springs or magnets.

That's awesome! I'm kind of surprised that AirForce never really made a defacto standard model after twenty or so years. It only took you a month after owning one, good work!

 

[Billm]

That's awesome! I'm kind of surprised that AirForce never really made a defacto standard model after twenty or so years. It only took you a month after owning one, good work!

Thanks. I’ve got to work on the Mount, it might take more than one way with the difference in trigger guards etc.. I’m thinking maybe a 3 or4mm threaded center hole on the back that would allow different mounts. It took me about 4-6 hours and 3 iterations. The first one was too heavily indexed and I couldn’t turn it to the next slot lol. The second one was a little loose, third time was the Goldilocks. It could probably do with some refinement. I was getting frustrated with the wind and remembered that I said I would try and knock one out and decided to work on that.

 

[TerryE1]

I had the idea of mounting the Huma pellet dispenser that I have on my Edgun Leshiy, but the bolts for it just don't have anyway to mount on my TalonP. Plus, my airgun is an older style breech design. Yours look like a nice job.

 

[Pumacarl]

Thanks. I’ve got to work on the Mount, it might take more than one way with the difference in trigger guards etc.. I’m thinking maybe a 3 or4mm threaded center hole on the back that would allow different mounts. It took me about 4-6 hours and 3 iterations. The first one was too heavily indexed and I couldn’t turn it to the next slot lol. The second one was a little loose, third time was the Goldilocks. It could probably do with some refinement. I was getting frustrated with the wind and remembered that I said I would try and knock one out and decided to work on that.

An unconventional way to mount it, would be to put either a dovetail or picatinny mount on the back and mount it on top of the barrel and just tilt the gun 90 degrees to dispense a pellet. It might look at little hokey but you have to tilt the gun a little to load anyway. I know this would be lousy idea when benched, but this isn't really a bench gun either. It certainly wouldn't be in the way of the sight picture with how this gun's scope rail is so high.