Reg Butter advice, 👍 or 👎 ?

[jps2486]

There will always be someone who will use the incorrect lubricant and mess things up, I'm afraid.

 

[bchannell]

I'm pretty skeptical of this type of "invention", it is too anecdotal and certainly not supported by the evidence. Since the day pcps were invented, they used pure silicone lube, and have had almost no problems, certainly none that can be attributed to silicone lube. Are there better lubes? probably. Does it matter if what you use works? no. This is the typical "marketing" scenario used to sell "small engine oil" and tons of other "specifically formulated" oils and lubes that just doesn't hold up to muster. I saw a dog food commercial yesterday and the person said "I have never seen a dog food make this much difference in a dog in my life". What the heck does that tell you? NOTHING!
I especially like some of the so called attributes listed. What emperical testing was done to prove these claims? Let's just take one, "better cold weather performance". What test was used to discover this claim? Did you know that pure silicone lube is conservatively stable to -40C. That's dang cold, and it shows almost no change in lubricity or viscosity. Interesting, hmmmm.

Secondly, there are other lubes such as Molykote 33 (not to expensive) and Krytox (expensive) that I'm sure are much MUCH better lubes that any home brew.
Thinking that some lube will suddenly transform your airgun into a super accurate, thousand shot count, super fast recovering, reg demon, is just not true.

 

[Cantona256]

Just wondering what everyone’s thoughts are on this product.

How long have you used it?

What your results are?

Would you recommend it?


I’m not going to sugar coat it, I’m having a hard time with letting go the $40 it’s going to take to get 1 ounce of this product to my house.

Thanks for any advice.

One ounce of it is basically a lifetime supply.

 

[Cantona256]

I'm pretty skeptical of this type of "invention", it is too anecdotal and certainly not supported by the evidence. Since the day pcps were invented, they used pure silicone lube, and have had almost no problems, certainly none that can be attributed to silicone lube. Are there better lubes? probably. Does it matter if what you use works? no. This is the typical "marketing" scenario used to sell "small engine oil" and tons of other "specifically formulated" oils and lubes that just doesn't hold up to muster. I saw a dog food commercial yesterday and the person said "I have never seen a dog food make this much difference in a dog in my life". What the heck does that tell you? NOTHING!
I especially like some of the so called attributes listed. What emperical testing was done to prove these claims? Let's just take one, "better cold weather performance". What test was used to discover this claim? Did you know that pure silicone lube is conservatively stable to -40C. That's dang cold, and it shows almost no change in lubricity or viscosity. Interesting, hmmmm.

Secondly, there are other lubes such as Molykote 33 (not to expensive) and Krytox (expensive) that I'm sure are much MUCH better lubes that any home brew.
Thinking that some lube will suddenly transform your airgun into a super accurate, thousand shot count, super fast recovering, reg demon, is just not true.

lol you seem like a real hoot at parties.

The guy who made it was a competitive paintballer for 20 years where regulator refresh rates really matter.

Also it’s not an “invention” it’s a blend. You make good points about silicone oil but you skipped over the fact that like all oils silicone has different weights and not all are suitable for this application.

Dude just took the time to find a blend of different weights to get optimal performance.

The only claims I’ve seen for this product is that it will help improve consistency and recharge rate in general and especially in cold weather. The guy who made it is a serious deer hunter with airguns and lives in Michigan or something like that. He knows cold.

He has videos showing how he tested this with the chrono numbers.

I’ve also used it and have been able to see the difference with the chrono numbers too. It’s not a magic bullet and it doesn’t make you leap 3 Umarex Gauntlets in a single bound.

It’s just a high quality blend of silicone oils that do what they are advertised to do.

 

[FL22]

Hummm….


1oz product, the description makes no particular claims of improvement.

 

[TN_Yankee]

Hummm….

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1oz product, the description makes no particular claims of improvement.

Maybe repackaged?

"Syncolon" is their name for PTFE.

 

[PG1 Airgunner]

I am servicing all of my airguns myself. Have 7 right now…
I learned of this product from the owner of Cape Fear Airguns in Wilmington NC when I was at his shop recently. He recommended it for the regulators specifically and we got into a conversation that a lot of went over my head.
But better performance and reliability stuck with me so I bought some and when I tear down a regualtor I strip off whatever was on it before, polish the washers and recoat it all to include the regualtor orings with this stuff…
Now I have not done any independant comparisons yet because I havent had the time…but I trust the professionals that recommended it over my neanderthal brain…

 

[Danman]

I am servicing all of my airguns myself. Have 7 right now…
I learned of this product from the owner of Cape Fear Airguns in Wilmington NC when I was at his shop recently. He recommended it for the regulators specifically and we got into a conversation that a lot of went over my head.
But better performance and reliability stuck with me so I bought some and when I tear down a regualtor I strip off whatever was on it before, polish the washers and recoat it all to include the regualtor orings with this stuff…
Now I have not done any independant comparisons yet because I havent had the time…but I trust the professionals that recommended it over my neanderthal brain…

Nice, let us know how how it goes.

 

[Pumacarl]

it doesn’t make you leap 3 Umarex Gauntlets in a single bound.

I love this idiom @Cantona256! I'm stealing it! That's just too funny not to use!

 

[FL22]

I watched several Sub 12 airgunners videos and I have decided to give what he’s using on the belleville washers only… Dry Moly, I found a version of it on Amazon.




He warned that it can be messy. Still use silicone grease on the O-rings of course.

 

[TN_Yankee]

Interesting. I have some of that, AND need to rebuild a regulator. I've seen some of his videos, but definitely not all. Do you know of one in particular where he uses & discusses the dry moly?

 

[FL22]

Interesting. I have some of that, AND need to rebuild a regulator. I've seen some of his videos, but definitely not all. Do you know of one in particular where he uses & discusses the dry moly?

Yes, I was watching his videos on the disassembly and reassembly of the Cricket II. He discussed it in the reassembly process.

 

[Billm]

You've been luckier than I thought then, if you've never needed to work on a regulator. See that, you've been having it good and you didn't even know it. lol

Well, that was prophetic and my luck ran out lol.

 

[FL22]

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[Pumacarl]

I watched several Sub 12 airgunners videos and I have decided to give what he’s using on the belleville washers only… Dry Moly, I found a version of it on Amazon.

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He warned that it can be messy. Still use silicone grease on the O-rings of course.

I was really debating with myself to just use dry graphite but I finally decided that it was pointless. My thinking is that I keep a film of silicone on my innards by virtue of putting a drop of it every couple of fills on the foster nipple. This little bit of silicone in the air would not play well with a dry lubricant w/o making it a wet one so I didn't do it. That small bit of silicone also keeps the orings happy too. I do run my hammers and springs and everything not in the high pressure air path with dry graphite though, and have had zero problems doing so. I do believe that in really cold temps, dry could be better, but you probably would have to work on it more, but that's just a guess. I will be interested to hear how it works out for you.

 

[Pumacarl]

Well, that was prophetic and my luck ran out lol.

Sorry Bill! It's just the law of averages, and you know, it is the law. lol

 

[FL22]

I have good crono data from my Wolverine, thinking about pulling the reg and trying the moly powder, showed up today.

 

[Pumacarl]

I have good crono data from my Wolverine, thinking about pulling the reg and trying the moly powder, showed up today.

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It would be a good experiment. I almost tried it because I like running my hammerspring/trigger groups dry using graphite. The reason that I didn't is because I spent some time researching it, along with graphite, again. You should read up on both, from multiple sources, if you haven't already. Graphite seeems to be the prefered for higher percentages of humidity, MoS2 seems to be better dry and high pressures. I run my orings lubed up in my regs and I don't see a good way around that. To keep everything moist I put a drop of silicone oil on my fill every couple of fill ups, and I don't 'think' that would play well with the MoS2, but I don't know. Also, it is so fine and slippery that I wondered at the ability of the valve to maintain a seal. Basically, I chickened out, but good luck! lol

 

[bchannell]

How does a lube solve reg creep?

 

[bchannell]

Just my random thoughts. I’m pretty skeptical, don’t go for all those ads on tv for pills or pain relief etc soooo.

There is probably nothing wrong with it as long as it’s safe. There’s really only anecdotal evidence it works.

Is it worth it? I would think Molykot 33, Krytox, Ultimox, and many more would serve just as well if not better.

Remember, pcp have been using silicone since their inception and no problems. I have a number of guns with regs, had tons of regs apart. Most work fine with silicone and if they don’t, lube won’t help.