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I don’t think it a dumb question. He is asking if anyone knows. You could have answered “try contacting them and let us know what you found out.

Maybe dropped it but I think the Vapor is different. The Winchester 1977 I believe was a rebadged Daisy 880

At my age it’s definitely me that needs the warm up. That said my guns do not

I thought they were still made in the USA. Mine are but I have had them a long time

Are those new or old stock?

I didn’t realize that there wasn’t any USA pellets. I thought Crosman still was. Yikes. I did find one company but not sure if they are still going or not. I sent them an email. Waiting to see. https://vogelusa.com/pellets.html

Thank You for that. Makes sense. I wish they would have called it a Daisy since the pump arm resembles the 880. I do wish it was in .22.

I like it but give me 400+ fps please.

.20 might be a good fit for the 30. My fav small cal is .22. But I feel the hw30 might be a lil low powered for .22. But the .20 might fly flatter while still providing more pop

I have high hopes for it. But, you never know with china. At least if the pump dies they are easily found. https://www.amazon.com/GIYO-Turbo-Shock-Bikes-Gauge/dp/B0CJBFZFXR

Wow I didn’t catch that. $79 to $200 is a big jump. Funny at $79 I would think cheap disposable big box pump. At $200 I would think better quality. Perception is a lot lol

I love the Daisy style pump arm. I always feel my daisy 880 lever gives more leverage than my crosman pump does.

I have heard it both ways. Some bad and some good. I hope it’s been corrected so they are all good now.

I agree definitely a .22. I still can’t believe no one has put out a .25 cal pumper.

Interesting indeed. Hmm Gamo owns them now. Gamo is coming out with an 1100 fps pump gun with the same name. Same gun different body? https://gamousa.com/product/vapor-10x-pump-pellet-rifle/

I think Umarex is one of the best at producing replicas. I have a wish. They make the SA Colt Revolver and do it well. How about giving us the revolving carbine? Not so much the black powder version but more off the SA Colt pistol they already make. Say a 16” barrel or an 18” barrel. Next a...

From some of these comments, I take it is better to not get the QE barrel. I see PA has a choice of QE or not. Tyler Patner (of PA) has recommended this as a good cheap break barrel for the money.

C02 isn’t that expensive. Lots of shots there. Nitrogen is a different story. Around my area a 40 pack of 12gr C02 cartilages is $21. That’s roughly .53 cents each.

Ouch. Glad it won’t be that bad here 🥶

I am still not seeing much in reviews on this gun.