Reality vs YouTube gun performance for the new guys

[Danman]

The parameters of the review should be stated. If he was reviewing how the product performed direct from the factory, it may have been an honest review. If he was reviewing a unit that may have been tuned, that may be a different review. Gotta love that human input!

Agreed! He tests the guns as recieved, outta the box. I don't recall what the problems were with the first two guns but my take away was if buying this gun beware you may end up buying a lemon, or at the very least a gun needing some work to get it shooting sweet.

 

[Farmplinker2]

Agreed! He tests the guns as recieved, outta the box. I don't recall what the problems were with the first two guns but my take away was if buying this gun beware you may end up buying a lemon, or at the very least a gun needing some work to get it shooting sweet.

One minor issue with JC. He tested his Hatsan 95, I think? Said how great they were. But he took out the gas ram and replaced it with a spring, and did some trigger work. That's not how they come.out of the box; if he had adjusted the trigger without replacing parts, okay, but not replacing parts for most people. (Then again, he does sell a replacement trigger screw for Gamos that everyone raves about, so can't blame him for trying to drum up business.)

 

[Grunt64]

Seems like your friend thinks that if he gets a high-end air gun, it makes him a high-end shooter. He may have not put the time in to have the experience and theoretical knowledge to get the outcome he would like. He may be getting his expectations from those around him and is not at the stage that he can identify what is important. I pay no attention to humidity, pellet consistency, temperature, air pressure or muzzle velocity for the majority of my shooting. Nor do I teach any of this to new shooters. Their goal is to learn how to shoot and enjoy the sport, not to get blown out by the details. I don't know the skills of your friend, but he may need to learn personally why he is not getting the results he wants, rather than getting the answers from others for nothing. This may identify the flaw of too skilled of teachers showing new shooters all the details of shooting. I enjoy the theoretical conversations here, but I chose to not introduce this thinking to 5-year-old kids. I agree that they should not sweat the #s. Shoot at paper and see the results. This may turn out to be a very good thread!

I also think it's 50/50, 50 percent shooter 50 percent rifle. You're only as good as you practice with it in most cases not all.

 

[Farmplinker2]

I also think it's 50/50, 50 percent shooter 50 percent rifle. You're only as good as you practice with it in most cases not all.

That's all too true, but how often do people (including yours truly) admit they really need more practice?

 

[Grunt64]

That's all too true, but how often do people (including yours truly) admit they really need more practice?

Thats a great question and topic, I know I'm never completely happy with my skill set because pcp are complicated. Once you are satisfied you don't get to that next level. LOL and I'm just a hunter.

 

[Moose]

Machines have the ability to replicate actions consistently. I am not a machine, nor do I want to be a machine. When I have shots that are not perfect, I analyze for improvements, but I try not to evaluate negatively any of my past performances. I do it for the education and entertainment of enjoying my well spent time. Spend your days well and enjoy yourself and others!

 

[PA_AirHead]

the only YouTube video that ever pushed me over the edge on a gun was see our fellow forum member drag it behind his jeep and chunk it of the mountain top cause he didnt want to toat em them pick up the surviver and hunt some squirrel to gain his energy after the hick and so as not to starve before he could get back home.

That torture test was well beyond what 99.999% of any air gunner will ever put their babies through. What I was very surprised to see, was that none of them blew apart. I treat even my break barrels so nicely that my kids are jealous of them. But after that test if anyone was on the fence between the three contestants, that should have made their decision MUCH easier.

 

[mikesxpress]

You can normally discount a crappy YouBoob video in the 1st 90 seconds.

 

[MountainSportAirguns]

Unfortunately the fad of unboxing and immediately doing a review of a product has become far to widespread to compete with. How someone can really know a product after only shooting half a tin of pellets over 20 minutes of filming a review is beyond me...then the next day it's up for sale in the classifieds or handed off as a giveaway prize. Every single airgun on the market has a flaw, if it's perfect I think that's a little fishy. My experience with reviews are the people watching them have most likely already purchased that product and are looking for validation that they made a good choice. God forbid you give a negative review these folks come apart at the seams. Haha

 

[Farmplinker2]

Unfortunately the fad of unboxing and immediately doing a review of a product has become far to widespread to compete with. How someone can really know a product after only shooting half a tin of pellets over 20 minutes of filming a review is beyond me...then the next day it's up for sale in the classifieds or handed off as a giveaway prize. Every single airgun on the market has a flaw, if it's perfect I think that's a little fishy. My experience with reviews are the people watching them have most likely already purchased that product and are looking for validation that they made a good choice. God forbid you give a negative review these folks come apart at the seams. Haha

HOW ARE YOU TRACKING MY PURCHASES AND VIEWS?!??!?!!?!;

 

[Northeastbeast]

I agree with you that air guns are hard to shoot at long range. I personally chose not to shoot these distances for that reason. I am not familiar with the Es abbreviation. I have witnessed a lot of time spent on a sport practicing and no improvement. Knowledge of the basics theory and the ability to apply that knowledge may be more important. I have taught many kids to shoot accurately in their very first attempt.

Es stands for Extreme spread SD is Standard deviation. Chronograph talk

 

[Centercut]

When looking at and tuning for ES/SD, one thing I'd say needs to be shown is your FULL FILL numbers. So, at EBR 75/100 yards, how many shots do you take prior to refilling your gun? If its 63 (like I do for my gold Skout .30 caliber with AEA 45 or 50.5), shoot the string while practicing the full three magazines. Anything less and you're just kidding yourself and inadvertently cherry picking... Over 60 shots if you can get your ES under 6 fps, and your SD under 2 fps, that's "golden"... If you only shoot 25 shots between fills, then that should be your string number...
One stat frequently overlooked, and not really understood is the BC ES/SD. When your gun is tuned correctly to the best speed, the BC should be very constant and not wander around much. This shows pellet stability (or instability) downrange.

 

[RatSmacker]

I'll never forget the episode of "Airgun Detectives" where the guy reviews a Gamo Bone Collector. He is honest in his reviews and goes on to say how the first 2 he received to test were junk!?! Gamo (or the dealer) clearly didn't test/tune the guns before sending it for the review. I wonder how many other guns sent for reviews ARE pulled out and perfected before going out to reviewers. Secondly...if there are problems, are the viewers made aware of them...sponsored video?... Probably not! When I bought my Ghost (by far the most expensive of my 4 air rifles) I was of the mindset I'd send it right back if it wouldnt group like a 3K pcp should....It/I had some hiccups along the way but sometimes expectations are to high for sure. Even if a gun was built like a Lazer there is still: Human error, poor ammo, wind, temperature, your target bailing last second, etc. If it wasn't a challenge it wouldn't be any fun!

I always thought that when buying a new Air Gun Pyramid Air & Airgun Depot's 10 for $10 was a no brainer. It sure does lessen the chance of getting stuck with a LEMON!

 

[JimT66]

I always thought that when buying a new Air Gun Pyramid Air & Airgun Depot's 10 for $10 was a no brainer. It sure does lessen the chance of getting stuck with a LEMON!

I agree PA'S offering is definitely worth the $10.00, but really, if you spending hard earned money on your air rifle, any amount, should you have to worry about the factory shipping out leaking crap? Isn't PA'S fault, just a good business practice on they part.

 

[RatSmacker]

Your point Is well taken and I 100% agree. Another thing that upsets me Is spending Big Bucks ($1000) on a PCP Air Rifle and getting only one magazine

 

[PasadenaMike]

10 for 10 is a joke don’t fall for that They should already test it because at the end of the day if it’s junk they pay for return shipping regardless

 

[FL22]

10 for 10 is a joke don’t fall for that They should already test it because at the end of the day if it’s junk they pay for return shipping regardless

Agree 100%

 

[JimT66]

10 for 10 is a joke don’t fall for that They should already test it because at the end of the day if it’s junk they pay for return shipping regardless

Does PA pay, or does the manufacturer? Just wondered about that.

 

[PasadenaMike]

Does PA pay, or does the manufacturer? Just wondered about that.

Return shipping is paid by PA they have a good return policy

 

[JimT66]

It worth it to me. If I want it, I don't want a piece of leaking non shooting junk sent to me, that I have to turn around and send back. With our mail, you talking 2 weeks to even get there when It has to go through Birmingham. And in meantime, I out of my money, and no rifle.