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There is one statistic that should bother every US citizen! In the last 15 years, deaths due to firearms has steadily increased to its current level of just over 50,000 per year. At the present rate of increase, we'll be twice this number by 2030!

Perhaps even more telltale, is the yearly increase in deaths caused by airguns! Yes, it too has increased over the same period, but remains very low. The last year statistics (NIH data) were published (2020), the total was 35! I think we all can be proud of this fact. What is not in those statistics, is an alarming fact! To wit: The use of CO2-powered, lookalike airgun pistols to facilitate holdups and robberies!

As you might be aware, under the Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, the FBI requires law enforcement agencies to report certain facts about all violent crime. If you want more information on what is considered violent and/or what is not, go here: (Violent Crime).

Unfortunately, the use of lookalike airgun pistols during violent crimes isn’t specifically categorized (by the FBI) like firearms are (Expanded Homicide Data Table 8). Perhaps they should be.

Here is an interesting web site, which is obviously anti-gun: (Non-powder & Toy Guns). Here is the fifth paragraph from the web site.

“In addition to the dangers that can occur when non-powder guns are fired, both non-powder and toy guns can be dangerous because they may be mistaken for firearms—which can create confusion for law enforcement, and in some cases, lead to tragic results.” [It has, and in fact recently in Albuquerque, where a 15 year old boy was shot dead by the APD.]

Attached foot note to the last paragraph: (U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, “CPSC Chairman Challenges Toy Industry to Stop Producing Look-Alike Guns,” US Consumer Product Safety Commission, October 17, 1994, CPSC Chairman Challenges Toy Industry To Stop Producing Look-Alike Guns.).

Readers should note the dates therein! In other words, the issues surrounding lookalike airgun pistols (and revolvers) is not a new phenomena nor a new future regulation issue! It is here, it is now!

The popularity of lookalike airgun pistols appears to be growing with an estimated 250,000 sold in the last five years. While it’s true airgun aficionados buy these airguns, it is their nefarious use by people with criminal intent we need to be aware of, least we all suffer the jackboot of legislative pressures, no pun intended!
 
"There is one statistic that should bother every US citizen! In the last 15 years, deaths due to firearms has steadily increased to its current level of just over 50,000 per year. At the present rate of increase, we'll be twice this number by 2030!"

Alan... Don't bother me one bit ...

Maybe some liberal pinko anti American site . I a firm believer in gun control. As I think every red blooded true American should exercise there 2ed amendment rights and he in control of one or two or as many as he likes and wants .

Iny opinion your talking to a dead ear .
 
I remember a news story that stuck last year or two some guy in Texas went in a bar with a replica air gun and tried cleaning the place out (dumbest thug ever??) One of the patrons ended up shooting him as he tried leaving with the gun and loot. In my mind if u threaten someone with a firearm or a replica gun it means no difference to the person on the other end of the barrel. Play $tupid games win very painful prizes. What the liberals don't (and never will understand) is if you took all the guns away criminals would just use the next best thing to commit their crimes. But then... ...history books are useless right? 🙄
 
I remember a news story that stuck last year or two some guy in Texas went in a bar with a replica air gun and tried cleaning the place out (dumbest thug ever??) One of the patrons ended up shooting him as he tried leaving with the gun and loot. In my mind if u threaten someone with a firearm or a replica gun it means no difference to the person on the other end of the barrel. Play $tupid games win very painful prizes. What the liberals don't (and never will understand) is if you took all the guns away criminals would just use the next best thing to commit their crimes. But then... ...history books are useless right? 🙄
And then the normal responsible people suffer .

Libs like evil doer's out on there streets .

As long as there thugs out there and causing trouble they can't complain and pass more and more laws ( that once again not enforced) to keep there agendas rolling. Why do you think they support defund police? Why they might accidentally enforce one and ruin there agenda platform.. 😜. ( Let's kill off all the cows cause there farting causes global warming) Liberal ..lol what a nut job..

Think ... You elect 2 people that don't know where ,who or what they are and can't put a simple sentence together to a office deciding your life policies.

That's sad and show where we are today
 
And then the normal responsible people suffer .

Libs like evil doer's out on there streets .

As long as there thugs out there and causing trouble they can't complain and pass more and more laws ( that once again not enforced) to keep there agendas rolling. Why do you think they support defund police? Why they might accidentally enforce one and ruin there agenda platform.. 😜. ( Let's kill off all the cows cause there farting causes global warming) Liberal ..lol what a nut job..

Think ... You elect 2 people that don't know where ,who or what they are and can't put a simple sentence together to a office deciding your life policies.

That's sad and show where we are today
100% correct. This year our liberals were trying to combat food waste...know what one of them came up with? Let's get rid of food best- before- dates!? 🙄🙈🙉 I would pay money (so much money!) if we could corral these like minded lemmings together on an island and see how they survive together. But I digress😅.....Gun safety is real and should be taught, if not by your dad as mine did then by a firearm instructor, or both. That should at least cut down on the accidental firearm (negligence) deaths. Just like anything else in life YOU are responsible for YOUR gun safety. There are consequences is you don't maintain your car, ignore the road rules, and commit crimes with said car. Hmmm maybe we should ban cars...😓🤦‍♂️
 
100% correct. This year our liberals were trying to combat food waste...know what one of them came up with? Let's get rid of food best- before- dates!? 🙄🙈🙉 I would pay money (so much money!) if we could corral these like minded lemmings together on an island and see how they survive together.
🤔,😂 Donner!! Party of one.

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Cannibalism, that’s how. I mean, you don’t expect them to eat the animals do you? 😂😂
 
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Good guys don't . They just get punished for the bad guys doings .. lol
Correct again, Know how self defense works in my country? Yesterday in Toronto (of course🙄) 3 guys went into a high end clothing store, one packed a loaded handgun and threatened employees while the other 2 grabbed as much stuff and ran. When the gun wielder ran the 2 employees pounced on him, disarmed him and roughed him up. All on camera and I thought, well done! Well guess what those 2 can now be charged for going above and beyond for assault. Apparently having a 9mm shoved in your face and threatened with death shouldn't affect you, or cause you to want to protect yourself. I don't even blame the criminals, nope it's the governing bodies that allows it.
 
There is one statistic that should bother every US citizen! In the last 15 years, deaths due to firearms has steadily increased to its current level of just over 50,000 per year. At the present rate of increase, we'll be twice this number by 2030!

Perhaps even more telltale, is the yearly increase in deaths caused by airguns! Yes, it too has increased over the same period, but remains very low. The last year statistics (NIH data) were published (2020), the total was 35! I think we all can be proud of this fact. What is not in those statistics, is an alarming fact! To wit: The use of CO2-powered, lookalike airgun pistols to facilitate holdups and robberies!

As you might be aware, under the Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, the FBI requires law enforcement agencies to report certain facts about all violent crime. If you want more information on what is considered violent and/or what is not, go here: (Violent Crime).

Unfortunately, the use of lookalike airgun pistols during violent crimes isn’t specifically categorized (by the FBI) like firearms are (Expanded Homicide Data Table 8). Perhaps they should be.

Here is an interesting web site, which is obviously anti-gun: (Non-powder & Toy Guns). Here is the fifth paragraph from the web site.

“In addition to the dangers that can occur when non-powder guns are fired, both non-powder and toy guns can be dangerous because they may be mistaken for firearms—which can create confusion for law enforcement, and in some cases, lead to tragic results.” [It has, and in fact recently in Albuquerque, where a 15 year old boy was shot dead by the APD.]

Attached foot note to the last paragraph: (U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, “CPSC Chairman Challenges Toy Industry to Stop Producing Look-Alike Guns,” US Consumer Product Safety Commission, October 17, 1994, CPSC Chairman Challenges Toy Industry To Stop Producing Look-Alike Guns.).

Readers should note the dates therein! In other words, the issues surrounding lookalike airgun pistols (and revolvers) is not a new phenomena nor a new future regulation issue! It is here, it is now!

The popularity of lookalike airgun pistols appears to be growing with an estimated 250,000 sold in the last five years. While it’s true airgun aficionados buy these airguns, it is their nefarious use by people with criminal intent we need to be aware of, least we all suffer the jackboot of legislative pressures, no pun intended!
Bulk of firearm deaths are suicides. And don't know of anyone who's committed suicide with an airgun.
 
One of the points I should have made clear, is the ease of purchase for these airguns. If you look at least 16 year old (Big 5 sporting goods requirement), all you need is less than $150 to buy most models. And in fact, the 'gist' was not aimed at legitimate use, limited as it may be (my opinion).

I also understand the volatility of the issue especially among staunch airgunners. I am, after all, deep into the hobby! With that in mind, let's do our best to remain objective rather than subjective in our outlooks.
 
One of the points I should have made clear, is the ease of purchase for these airguns. If you look at least 16 year old (Big 5 sporting goods requirement), all you need is less than $150 to buy most models. And in fact, the 'gist' was not aimed at legitimate use, limited as it may be (my opinion).

I also understand the volatility of the issue especially among staunch airgunners. I am, after all, deep into the hobby! With that in mind, let's do our best to remain objective rather than subjective in our outlooks.
Looks like your here making anti statements .. agenda .. kinda a post that your derp in to the hobby to undermine it. Lol
 
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Bulk of firearm deaths are suicides. And don't know of anyone who's committed suicide with an airgun.
Read the first post and had the exact same thought.

Suicide by firearm in 2022 = 27,032 (more than half of all firearm deaths, or worded differently, more people are shooting themselves intentionally than people shooting other people)



As for suicide by airgun? (or even homicide for that matter)... I can't find any stats there (as expected).
 
Looks like your here making anti statements .. agenda .. kinda a post that your derp in to the hobby to undermine it. Lol
Hateful ol’ buddy, I was getting ready to say something.

I have read his other post, and what I’m wondering is if he just doesn’t understand how to speak plainly. Sometimes you can make an argument or discuss something and you come off like a jackass. I’m sure I’ve done this myself 😂.

He’s made a lot of troubled waters for himself and I think it’s because if he wants to discuss these hot topics, he needs to plainly say what his opinion is and why he wants to talk about it.

Because right now all he’s got is an angry mob at his door. 🤪
 
Hateful ol’ buddy, I was getting ready to say something.

I have read his other post, and what I’m wondering is if he just doesn’t understand how to speak plainly. Sometimes you can make an argument or discuss something and you come off like a jackass. I’m sure I’ve done this myself 😂.

He’s made a lot of troubled waters for himself and I think it’s because if he wants to discuss these hot topics, he needs to plainly say what his opinion is and why he wants to talk about it.

Because right now all he’s got is an angry mob at his door. 🤪
Well I guess I'm not much better with my writing .. lol. Im sure I tick lots off as well .. 👍
 
Sounds like I stumbled into a reactionary tea party, here. I'll make myself clear. I AM a liberal,, at least in most things. I have quite a few friends who are as well. None of those liberals that I personally know, advocate any of the things that are being foisted on them.

I am also someone who owns and uses both firearms and air guns. I know also that most of my "liberal" friends do as well.

I do my best to show respect for the opinion of others, especially when it is one with which I disagree. I enjoy a good discussion and very frequently learn something from them. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be what this is. It appears to be a couple guys agreeing with each other and taking offense if someone says anything outside their "zone of agreement".

Online forums might be better served, I think, if participants were required to use their real names. Anonymity serves no purpose beyond a fence to hide behind. Mine is Ed Leeper and I live in Washington, Pa. No fences here,, throw all the rocks you want.
 
as for me i dont see the gun as the issue.
bring morality and discipline back to our great nation teach children to behave and not go waving some toy anround put punishment back in the parents and the scools hands.
problem solved.
just a thought.
What parents ? Most of the younger generation were x-box babysitters.

The " parents" too busy to fool with the kids so bought them a x-box and unlimited account to get them out of there hair .

Then the commies ( democrat liberals types ) jumped on that with slipping in CRT education in public schools .

No discipline , brainwashed education , now look what you ended up with now today .

If there was one good thing about COVID was it showed people what was going on being there backs with the kids and public schools ..
 
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