mattboyer30
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Hi everyone -
I'm posting this as an informational post, to be a bit cautious when purchasing from this site, and this particular gun. It sells as the "AEA Terminator MAX (EX-B&W S45) 2025.
With SO many different sites seeming to be the legit AEA shop, which I should have been more skeptical about now that I noticed the ....guns.shop suffix versus a .com (US sites), I ended up getting pretty burned.
What I was really looking for was the 9mm Semi-Auto Terminator with external adjustments for tuning as I'd seen a review on. But, I saw this saying "Terminator" and MAX in the same sentence, so I was thinking that this sucker is gonna be even more of a beast. So, $2400 in USD. I placed the order (Wolfiek group, who has their hands in a bunch of different names now)...And trusted the AEA name as well, so felt like I wouldn't have anything to worry about.
Once I ordered, I followed the tracking and, not realizing it was based in Spain, it took about a full week + to get released by customs first of all. So around 3 weeks for delivery. I get it, I can deal with that. Wasn't expecting Amazon. I was SO excited to shoot this thing too.
So it finally came, and first surprise was that a gun at this price point came without any kind of case...??? Just cardboard and styrofoam. I messaged them first on that, saying that it was disappointing for a gun this costly to not include any type of protection - considering my Karma SLS at $1400 and RTI P-3 at $1800 both came with nice hard shell cases. He offered to give me 10% off an already $150 case, so I passed on that.
It did seem pretty well made, cast magazines, nice click in, lever release out...Anodized air tanks front & rear, & pretty light all things considered. I gassed it up to max PSI, and took a shot. The pellet literally plopped on the ground about 20 feet in front of me. I read back through my emails, and they had sent me 3 videos to bypass what was causing it...Essentially a restrictor plug that shows the guy (their guy) tightening down a deck screw into the opening from the top of the pic rail down into the gun, a bit past the breach...screwdriving it in a few turns, then pulling out this plug. I was told it was in there due to EU restrictions on power, and this bypassed that once removed.
I did that, and it also came with what was basically a port that replaced the regulator and was recommended as the "Power Kit"... So I removed the reg and replaced with that. Even before that though, I noticed there were no external adjustment locations as it was on the terminator I'd seen reviewed...so I was quite annoyed by that part - it essentially was not capable of any tuning. No mention of adjustable hammer spring tension, etc.
I did go out to shoot after that and my LORD it was loud! Literally as loud as a firearm. I put in earplugs, so no issues - just a loud gun. Problem is, I absolutely could not get any grouping worth respect. I"m talking 3"-5" groups using a vise & only 25 yds. away. (I tried 40, same deal)...So after some emailing and hopes of troubleshooting that, I became VERY irritated with the promise of 1-2 day replies ending up 4-5-6 day delays in replies. I was sending emails like "did you get my last one??" because it was becoming very irritating. I finally just said I want to send this thing back. It doesn't shoot straight at all.
I was told to send it to a US address, just a guy "Monte" and he'd go over it and determine if it was able to be resold or not. Once I saw it had arrived, I asked over and over again for DAYS to make sure it was in safe hands. Finally I did, and was assured that "all would be okay, nothing to worry about".
Another 2 weeks went by before I heard anything about status, etc... - Keep in mind, I had shot about 75 pellets through it, and left no tool markings on anything. The offer I got - rather than a full refund, was "I can do 75% refund or 90% store credit, as this represents a total loss for us." After I'd followed every bit of what they told me to do from day 1, carefully. All of that last sentence took another week to get a reply about. I just took the hit, asked for the refund, as I swear I"m never doing business with them again.
I got my P3 through Tony at Talon airguns, who have been awesome to deal with btw, although RTI is associated with Wolfiek) - Beyond infuriated that I didn't get a full refund for a gun that couldn't even shoot straight, I just took the loss and am moving on. I could have bought a nice FX with that same amount of $, and is what I intend to do.
So far, the Karma SLS has been my #1 favorite, so well made & all kinds of extra thought put into it - pic rails on side, arca on the bottom, you name it. Great gun. And 100% amazing customer service. PJ returns any questions I have usually the same day. Strongly recommend Donny FL and Karma (through them), etc... -
I understand this is very long but is in hopes that no one else has to deal with this sh**y customer service and quality. I'm sure they make some decent ones, but this model was NOT it. Just sharing my experience, do what you want...Just may get the same treatment is all I'm saying...Thanks guys hope it helps someone possibly -be observant as to the URL you're visiting.
I'm posting this as an informational post, to be a bit cautious when purchasing from this site, and this particular gun. It sells as the "AEA Terminator MAX (EX-B&W S45) 2025.
With SO many different sites seeming to be the legit AEA shop, which I should have been more skeptical about now that I noticed the ....guns.shop suffix versus a .com (US sites), I ended up getting pretty burned.
What I was really looking for was the 9mm Semi-Auto Terminator with external adjustments for tuning as I'd seen a review on. But, I saw this saying "Terminator" and MAX in the same sentence, so I was thinking that this sucker is gonna be even more of a beast. So, $2400 in USD. I placed the order (Wolfiek group, who has their hands in a bunch of different names now)...And trusted the AEA name as well, so felt like I wouldn't have anything to worry about.
Once I ordered, I followed the tracking and, not realizing it was based in Spain, it took about a full week + to get released by customs first of all. So around 3 weeks for delivery. I get it, I can deal with that. Wasn't expecting Amazon. I was SO excited to shoot this thing too.
So it finally came, and first surprise was that a gun at this price point came without any kind of case...??? Just cardboard and styrofoam. I messaged them first on that, saying that it was disappointing for a gun this costly to not include any type of protection - considering my Karma SLS at $1400 and RTI P-3 at $1800 both came with nice hard shell cases. He offered to give me 10% off an already $150 case, so I passed on that.
It did seem pretty well made, cast magazines, nice click in, lever release out...Anodized air tanks front & rear, & pretty light all things considered. I gassed it up to max PSI, and took a shot. The pellet literally plopped on the ground about 20 feet in front of me. I read back through my emails, and they had sent me 3 videos to bypass what was causing it...Essentially a restrictor plug that shows the guy (their guy) tightening down a deck screw into the opening from the top of the pic rail down into the gun, a bit past the breach...screwdriving it in a few turns, then pulling out this plug. I was told it was in there due to EU restrictions on power, and this bypassed that once removed.
I did that, and it also came with what was basically a port that replaced the regulator and was recommended as the "Power Kit"... So I removed the reg and replaced with that. Even before that though, I noticed there were no external adjustment locations as it was on the terminator I'd seen reviewed...so I was quite annoyed by that part - it essentially was not capable of any tuning. No mention of adjustable hammer spring tension, etc.
I did go out to shoot after that and my LORD it was loud! Literally as loud as a firearm. I put in earplugs, so no issues - just a loud gun. Problem is, I absolutely could not get any grouping worth respect. I"m talking 3"-5" groups using a vise & only 25 yds. away. (I tried 40, same deal)...So after some emailing and hopes of troubleshooting that, I became VERY irritated with the promise of 1-2 day replies ending up 4-5-6 day delays in replies. I was sending emails like "did you get my last one??" because it was becoming very irritating. I finally just said I want to send this thing back. It doesn't shoot straight at all.
I was told to send it to a US address, just a guy "Monte" and he'd go over it and determine if it was able to be resold or not. Once I saw it had arrived, I asked over and over again for DAYS to make sure it was in safe hands. Finally I did, and was assured that "all would be okay, nothing to worry about".
Another 2 weeks went by before I heard anything about status, etc... - Keep in mind, I had shot about 75 pellets through it, and left no tool markings on anything. The offer I got - rather than a full refund, was "I can do 75% refund or 90% store credit, as this represents a total loss for us." After I'd followed every bit of what they told me to do from day 1, carefully. All of that last sentence took another week to get a reply about. I just took the hit, asked for the refund, as I swear I"m never doing business with them again.
I got my P3 through Tony at Talon airguns, who have been awesome to deal with btw, although RTI is associated with Wolfiek) - Beyond infuriated that I didn't get a full refund for a gun that couldn't even shoot straight, I just took the loss and am moving on. I could have bought a nice FX with that same amount of $, and is what I intend to do.
So far, the Karma SLS has been my #1 favorite, so well made & all kinds of extra thought put into it - pic rails on side, arca on the bottom, you name it. Great gun. And 100% amazing customer service. PJ returns any questions I have usually the same day. Strongly recommend Donny FL and Karma (through them), etc... -
I understand this is very long but is in hopes that no one else has to deal with this sh**y customer service and quality. I'm sure they make some decent ones, but this model was NOT it. Just sharing my experience, do what you want...Just may get the same treatment is all I'm saying...Thanks guys hope it helps someone possibly -be observant as to the URL you're visiting.
